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Burnout 3 is the best arcade racer ever.

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Definately. The game is simply so fun and so visceral, I think it is unmatched. I don't care for the crash modes (where you're trying to do as much damage as possible), but the simple racing is just amazing. It also just shows how important damage modelling is (while GT evangelist tell themselves that damage is not important). The music is also not nearly as bad as people made it to be (it's just punk rock, but maybe the soundtrack in the european version different?

On the other hand, is NFSU2 worth buying also? I fear it might suffer from framerate problems, knowing EA (ROTK was horrible in that aspect)..
 
BO3 is still on my unfinished backlog, I only played a few races and really loved it... I wonder if I'll ever get back to it before the sequel comes out! :lol :(
 
I've still got to finish that F1-esque car GP. You screw up once and you're basically fucked for the whole game :\

I would LOVE to see a Burnout Arcade game. Nobody has an interest in making Arcade games anymore though :(

SEGA was bringing the arcades back with Crazy Taxi and Virtua Tennis, then the DC lopped, and nobody has done a god damn thing about it :\
 
I can't agree...

While I had a blast playing to 100% with a buddy of mine, the handling never became organic ala Ridge Racer or Daytona. I never felt as if I were one with the car and the sense of track mastery never hit me as the track design just lacks the personality and sheer replayability of the greatest arcade racers.

I must admit that some of the challenges were incredibly thrilling. The indy car challenges are the fastest and most intense experiences you'll have in a racer. NOTHING matches the sheer speed and intensity. Still, they aren't something I could sit there and do over and over again for hours.
 
thanks for stating the obvious. Next thing you're gonna tell us is that the sun shines, the sky is blue, and my shlong is huge.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
I don't like it, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 on PS2 is my fav arcade racer this gen.
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I agree. I loved Burnout 3 but I never even finished the races (finished the crash events, though. Those are amazing). NFS HP2 on the PS2 is so great in every regard, plus it has real cars and cooler tracks. So I choose that.
 
Burnout 3 would have been among the best arcade racers ever if not for the awful AI, especially during duels. I can't accept that they other guy stays right on my tail when I boost almost from the begining to the end without doing any mistake, and he passes me when I crash ONE time (usually at 90% of a 5-6 minutes race). What's up with not being able to drive "perfectly" ? I know the way to win (don't boost, let him stay right next to you), but it's just not the way I want to drive. I understand the need for a challenge, but there is fine line between fair and unfair.
Hopefully, Burnout 4 will have this fixed.
 
No It’s a very good game but I prefer Outrun 2

My problems with BO3

- Terrible Announcer and bad soundtrack
- Lack of Custom soundtrack options
- Some bad track design, blind corners and hills
- Catch up A.I that punishes you for one mistake at the end of the track
- Too much focus on the “crash” levels rather then the racing.
- Repetitive car design and lack of customization eg. More paint jobs.

Still a fine game a well worth a purchase.
 
Blimblim said:
Burnout 3 would have been among the best arcade racers ever if not for the awful AI, especially during duels. I can't accept that they other guy stays right on my tail when I boost almost from the begining to the end without doing any mistake, and he passes me when I crash ONE time (usually at 90% of a 5-6 minutes race). What's up with not being able to drive "perfectly" ? I know the way to win (don't boost, let him stay right next to you), but it's just not the way I want to drive. I understand the need for a challenge, but there is fine line between fair and unfair.
Hopefully, Burnout 4 will have this fixed.
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you nailed it! the music was also terrible.
 
Rubber band AI didn't bother me since this is supposed to be arcade.. Also nobody responded to my question about NFSU2?
 
Burnout 3 is my favorite racer as well, but it's not without flaws. Like what was said before the rubberband AI needs to be tweaked a bit, the music needs a total overhaul, and the online servers....those were just horrible. When everything worked though, it was easily my favorite racing game.

Hopefully when 4 comes out, they could add some sort of customization. They don't need to go to a NFSU type game, just add some customization, like multiple paint jobs and a few add ons to the cars you've won. also, better online servers that don't kick you off after so many races, perhaps you would be allowed to create your own tracks, rag doll driver physics(like Flat out) would be insanely hilarious :lol . There's probabl some other things I'm missing, but those are the main things I want.
 
Great game, however I enjoyed the actual burnout mechanics of BO2 much more. You could keep getting consecutive Burnouts (ie Burnout x4 etc) as a reward for driving without crashing and gathering enough boost points. I got up to 353 Burnouts at one point, which is about 45 minutes of constant boosting (I taped down the R button) without mistakes. Wacky fun :P I didn't really care for the 'boosting for dummies' thing in BO3.
 
PSP *needs* this game. While I've been having fun playing Ridge Racer, the whole time I'm wishing I could do some takedowns on my opponents, and looking for good crash opportunities.
 
joaomgcd said:
Huh? That's not true...
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“Options”

The game has custom soundtrack enabled but that options suck so much it makes you not want to use it.

You can’t exclude custom tracks, can’t have more then one CD/ soundtrack playing at a time the settings also don’t save.

So yes it’s dam true.
 
For those of you bitching about the CPU catching up, you're supposed to Take him Down. Hence the name, "Burnout 3: Takedown." It's not that hard. :lol

I wouldn't say BO3 is the best arcade racer ever, but it's up there in the Hall of Fame.
 
Shadax said:
For those of you bitching about the CPU catching up, you're supposed to Take him Down. Hence the name, "Burnout 3: Takedown." It's not that hard. :lol
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There is no point in taking down the cpu opponent since he'll just catch up a few seconds later. Unless it's right before the end of the race (and then it's quite a big risk) a takedown in a duel does nothing. In a normal race with more opponents, takedowns are more important.
 
I hate catch-up AI in a lot of games too, but I don't understand the complaint in an arcade racer. I don't get it.

NFS Hot Pursuit 2 is awesome. I like Outrun 2 a lot too.

NFSU2 is a well made game, it reminds me of Tokyo Extreme Racer in a lot of ways...but it's aesthetic is so repugnant and ad driven that I felt like the design team had total contempt for my mind while I was playing it. So I really dislike it.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I hate catch-up AI in a lot of games too, but I don't understand the complaint in an arcade racer. I don't get it.
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It's a problem when an arcade racing game, by definition the type of game where you just drive the fastest you can to win becomes the exact opposite to that. I've had to stop using my boost to win some of the duels in the game, because the faster I drove, the faster the CPU opponent would be on my tail. Drive more carefully and you had more chance of being able to win a few seconds by boosting at the right time.
In a game where you get the boost very easily, it's just wrong not to let you use it. Like I said, rubber band is good for arcade racers, as long as it stays fair. In B3, it was anything but fair.
 
BlimBlim, you're just not good enough I guess. I've never had a CPU opponent catch up after I've taken him down and continued to race, earn boost and drive well--even on the World Circuit Racer races. Now if I fucked up a lot? Yea, he'd catch up.
 
Shadax said:
BlimBlim, you're just not good enough I guess. I've never had a CPU opponent catch up after I've taken him down and continued to race, earn boost and drive well--even on the World Circuit Racer races. Now if I fucked up a lot? Yea, he'd catch up.
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You win if you do not make ONE mistake. Some races are 5-6 minutes long with lots of turns with no ongoing traffic visibility. I don't want pure luck (eg is there a car right after this turn, or not?) to decide if I win the race or not. I guess I'm not patient enough, but B3 is the only game ever that had me break a controller in frustration.
 
dark10x said:
I can't agree...

While I had a blast playing to 100% with a buddy of mine, the handling never became organic ala Ridge Racer or Daytona. I never felt as if I were one with the car and the sense of track mastery never hit me as the track design just lacks the personality and sheer replayability of the greatest arcade racers.
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Its strange that you should feel that way. I always felt that Burnout 3 was one of those rare games where you feel at one with the person/object in the game. I find this to be one of the ingrediants for a great game. Going along that race track at god knows what speeds and knowing you have perfect control against head long traffic is such a great experience and one of the best this gen for me.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
BO2 (XBOX version) is the best arcade racer. BO3 would be my favorite one, but it's just missing that something that BO2 has.
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Agreed. Hard for Burnout 3 to be the best when Burnout 2 already had done it better.
 
If the demo is any indication...

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Trackmania Sunrise is the greatest arcade racer ever.
 
I got some burning questions about Burnout 2 and 3!

I played Burnout and Burnout 2 on the GCN, and I loved them both. Burnout2 (I still own it but have shelved it) was really awesome, had a blast playing it.

I got Burnout 3 for the PS2 and I loved its Takedown approach very much. Since then though, I have purchased an Xbox. So my question:

Burnout 2 -- is the Xbox version in any way noticeably better than the GCN version? Any reason to do a swap?

Burnout 3 -- is the Xbox version in any way noticeably better than the PS2 version? Any reason to do a swap?

Thanks.

c(_) Cafeman
 
dark10x said:
I can't agree...

While I had a blast playing to 100% with a buddy of mine, the handling never became organic ala Ridge Racer or Daytona. I never felt as if I were one with the car and the sense of track mastery never hit me as the track design just lacks the personality and sheer replayability of the greatest arcade racers.

I must admit that some of the challenges were incredibly thrilling. The indy car challenges are the fastest and most intense experiences you'll have in a racer. NOTHING matches the sheer speed and intensity. Still, they aren't something I could sit there and do over and over again for hours.
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Dark is dead-on here. I gave up around the 60% mark myself, and never really felt attached to the racing model the entire experience. Fast and furious, but tiring and dull as well. The puzzle-esque crash mode got more love from me than the need for speed.
 
Cafeman: The reply is no for both questions. NGC & Xbox versions of B2 are about the same (quite a bit better than the PS2 one) and B3 on Xbox and PS2 are basically the same too (sparks vs textures :D). Nothing that justifies buying both games again at least.
 
F-Zero GX > Ridge Racers (PSP) > Burnout 3 (PS2*)

*Although the custom soundtrack option is necessary for BO3, i much prefer the control setup in the PS2 version. Drifting with the triggers sucks.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
the racing in BO3 rocks definately better than GT4 in the racing department.
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why pick on GT4? Why not Forza or PGR or any other xbox racer :lol

comparing a arcade racer to a sim is great idea
 
Kabuki Waq said:
the racing in BO3 rocks definately better than GT4 in the racing department.
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Considering GT4 actually forces you to learn the course, i'd say no. There are actual racing lines in that game.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
why pick on GT4? Why not Forza or PGR or any other xbox racer :lol

comparing a arcade racer to a sim is great idea
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those games actually have AI when racing.

Yes Forza does suck hard....i am just waiting for it to be released before i start trolling it.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Considering GT4 actually forces you to learn the course, i'd say no. There are actual racing lines in that game.
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All racers require you to learn the course. Even in BO3 i had to memorize the courses to really compete with friends. GT4 the AI has ONE line regardless of how you race. That is why GT4 the racing itself sucks. The AI cars dont really react to your movements.



edit: oops didnt read the thread title said best "ARCADE" racer. in that case i guess no need to mention GT4.
 
-Poor Soundtrack
-Advertise-a-ton
-B2 > B3 (IMHO)


Anyways I have played tons of better arcade racers this gen: RRV, GX, Ridge Racers...The driving model (or drifting model if you want to call it that way) is pretty simplistic and unchallenging.
 
BO3 is one of the best arcade racers this gen.....its the only Burnout game I really like...


Best ever?

Not even in the top ten, IMO....
 
Kabuki Waq said:
All racers require you to learn the course. Even in BO3 i had to memorize the courses to really compete with friends. GT4 the AI has ONE line regardless of how you race. That is why GT4 the racing itself sucks. The AI cars dont really react to your movements.



edit: oops didnt read the thread title said best "ARCADE" racer. in that case i guess no need to mention GT4.
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I guess it depends on how you define a racer. I don't really care about AI personally as the majority of racing game AI is messed up. For me racing games are about 2 things, racing against other humans either online or in real life or trying to beat my times. There are very few racers where that 2nd one is actually fun to do though. The only racing games this gen i've played that had good AI are Enthusia and F355.
 
My best arcade racers ever:

Turbo Outrun
Cruisin USA
Need For Speed 3
Outrun 2
Rave Racer
Rad Mobile

I can't give a definite order but Burnout3 while being excellent can't make it to my top5 for sure.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
BO2 (XBOX version) is the best arcade racer. BO3 would be my favorite one, but it's just missing that something that BO2 has.
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I'll tell you what it's missing - actual racing. Yeah, BO2 blows BO3 away about ten times over unfortunately. Road Rage mode is pretty awesome though.
 
BO3 is a great game but the more I play it I felt like I was controlling a rocket with wheels, and I mean that in a good way. The sense of speed is probably the best i've seen in a racer, with F-ZERO GX coming in a close second.

I was just playing the game a few minutes ago and I noticed how no one plays on Live anymore. Man games these days have a short lifespan eh? :-/
 
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