California may ban black cars. wat?

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California pumps out a lot of bullshit (bearshit?), but this is a pretty big load even for the Golden State. I bolded the parts of this article that are absolutely correct.

If California regulators get their way, auto makers may soon be forced to rewrite a cliché from the Ford Model T era and start telling customers they can have any color they want as long as it isn’t black.

Some darker hues will be available in place of black, but right now they are indentified internally at paint suppliers with names such as “mud-puddle brown” and are truly ugly substitutes for today’s rich ebony hues.

So buy a black car now, because soon they won’t be available or will look so putrid you won’t want one. And that’s too bad, because paint suppliers say black is the second- or third-most popular vehicle color around the world.

The problem stems from a new “cool paints” initiative from the California Air Resources Board. CARB wants to mandate the phase-in of heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors beginning with the ’12 model year, with all colors meeting a 20% reflectivity requirement by the ’16 model year.

Because about 17 other states tend to follow California’s regulatory lead, as many as 40% of the vehicles sold in the U.S. could be impacted by the proposed directive, suppliers say.
The measure is aimed at reducing carbon-dioxide emissions and improving fuel economy by keeping vehicles cooler on sunny days and decreasing the amount of time drivers use their air conditioners.

The rationale goes like this: Vehicle AC units sap engine power and hurt fuel economy. If vehicle paint and glass reflect more heat, car interiors will be cooler. That means drivers will use their AC units less, the compressors won’t have to work as hard and auto makers will be able to use smaller AC units in the future.

Reflective coatings and glazing (glass) already have proven to save energy when used on buildings, and this legislation is based on architectural standards.

On the surface, it’s not a bad idea, but fundamental issues reveal profoundly flawed legislation: Buildings and vehicles are manufactured and recycled differently, and no one buys a building based on its color.

Another troublesome fact: Heat-reflecting paints for black and other dark colors on vehicles have not been invented yet.

Paint suppliers also say heat-reflecting pigments that could be used in automotive applications contain toxic heavy metals that cause environmental damage and create health and safety issues during manufacturing and recycling.

At least one auto maker estimates the additional cost of using these paints at $100 per car, not counting required changes to assembly plant painting systems, which could be significant.

So far, auto makers are holding their tongues on this subject, but automotive paint suppliers, such as PPG Industries, are tearing their hair out.

“PPG obviously has a very large architectural division that paints lots of buildings,” says Connie Poulsen, global director-product management, at PPG. “The theory when (CARB) started this was you take the pigments used in buildings and put them into car paints. That’s a good theory; unfortunately it doesn’t quite work that easily. Believe me, we tested it right away.”

“Requirements for color palettes are different, the process is different, the pigments used are different,” Poulsen says, adding that new automotive paint systems also have to undergo two years of rigorous testing before being approved for production. That’s yet another item government bureaucrats never considered – along with 3-year product lead times.

Some California rules are problematic because they are utopian and unworkable. This legislation is flat-out lazy. It’s a cut-and-paste job from the state building code that ignores smarter, more-effective automotive solutions already in production or on the way, such as more efficient AC units and solar-powered ventilation fans that work automatically when a car is parked in the sun.

Struggling auto makers and suppliers must not be forced to waste their limited resources on the cool paints initiative, an ill-informed wasteful boondoggle that embarrasses the environmental movement.
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Story here.
 
Wow, I am glad I moved away from that god damn hippie shit hole.:lol

Not really, I want to move back just not to LA. The rest of the CA coastline is really nice.
 
That is one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time.

I don't know how Arnold gets anything done. Both parties in the state legislature seem crazy as hell.
 
Black cars are automatically "pimp". Ever seen a red Cadillac? I don't think so.
But they are right about attracting the heat: we used to paint the water tank black and put it on the rooftop so we could have hot water
 
Title should have been: California: Thinking of banning blacks. I agree with the previous posters though, horrible idea.
 
viakado said:
california>>>whatever the rest of the world can come up with.
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:lol :lol

Bold claim have you seen the rest of the world? I think nature disagrees I heard there is quite a bit of life down in the sea.
 
CARB wants to mandate the phase-in of heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors beginning with the ’12 model year, with all colors meeting a 20% reflectivity requirement by the ’16 model year.

Paint suppliers also say heat-reflecting pigments that could be used in automotive applications contain toxic heavy metals that cause environmental damage and create health and safety issues during manufacturing and recycling.
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I can see the headline now, "California requires, then immediately bans heat reflecting paint".
 
1) CARB mulls over ways to save energy and reduce pollution. (hmm . . . what about heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors)

2) Reactionary hears of one possible idea extends it further and writes sensationalist story. (THEY ARE GONNA BAN BLACK!),

3) GAFfers jump on the bandwagon with stereotypes. (Californians are all fruits, nuts, and flakes!)

Lame.
 
If anything, civilians should be banned from driving huge white sedans. I hate coming up to a car thinking it's a cop only to find it's a white Buick or Grand Marquis.
 
speculawyer said:
1) CARB mulls over ways to save energy and reduce pollution. (hmm . . . what about heat-reflecting paints on vehicle exteriors)

2) Reactionary hears of one possible idea extends it further and writes sensationalist story. (THEY ARE GONNA BAN BLACK!),

3) GAFfers jump on the bandwagon with stereotypes. (Californians are all fruits, nuts, and flakes!)

Lame.
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It's fuckin stupid to take a sample (CARB) and generalize that all Cali. residents have the same mentality. People who thought this way are retarded.
 
daw840 said:
Not really, I want to move back just not to LA. The rest of the CA coastline is really nice.
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LA sucks and we should charge more for them stealing our water.
 
Verano said:
It's fuckin stupid to take a sample (CARB) and generalize that all Cali. residents have the same mentality. People who thought this way are retarded.
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CARB is its own little crazy world. It is run by weird politics and back-room deals.

"Who Killed the Electric Car?" provided a good example of it . . . a rule promoting electric cars (which was a bit too restrictive) got axed by a vote by a CARB guy who later then was chosen by the oil companies to run some hydrogen fuel cell think tank. That hydrogen fuel cell think tank was nothing but a boondoggle to push a technology that was going no where fast and never made any economic sense. Even the main fuel cell company (Ballard) in that initiative has abandoned the idea of fuel cell cars.
 
Good. All cars should be of the same color anyway; they should be government issued, white geo-metros. You people care too much about how you look.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
LA sucks and we should charge more for them stealing our water.
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Fucking agreed. Fuck LA, fuck it with a big stick.


Freaks! - Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.
 
Gaborn said:
Title should have been: California: Thinking of banning blacks. I agree with the previous posters though, horrible idea.
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See, I thought of that title, but I decided not to use it. That's why you're Gaborn and I'm not.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
LA sucks and we should charge more for them stealing our water.
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Would never work in Texas. Your car is ovenlike at any point during the day between April and October.
 
Meh. I don't know which is sillier between a state trying to ban black cars and someone who lives in a hot climate buying a black car.
 
daw840 said:
Fucking agreed. Fuck LA, fuck it with a big stick.


Freaks! - Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.
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:lol LA is awesome. Although I do like San Diego better.

Haters ...
 
Fenderputty said:
:lol LA is awesome. Although I do like San Diego better.

Haters ...
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Oh yeah, I love SD. I just hate LA.

edit: This may stem from my job which had me driving all around the ghettoes everyday looking at peoples busted ass cars.
 
CARB is run by a bunch of fucking totalitarians and fascists. They are the biggest joke of a local agency and have far too much power.

The even bigger joke being that cops can pull you over in Cali if you have a slightly modified car, check your engine bay to see if all of your equipment is CARB certified, and if not then they will fine the living hell out of you.
 
reilo said:
CARB is run by a bunch of fucking totalitarians and fascists. They are the biggest joke of a local agency and have far too much power.

The even bigger joke being that cops can pull you over in Cali if you have a slightly modified car, check your engine bay to see if all of your equipment is CARB certified, and if not then they will fine the living hell out of you.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just shocked that I agree about something with you. Although "biggest joke" is arguable
 
Gaborn said:
Title should have been: California: Thinking of banning blacks. I agree with the previous posters though, horrible idea.
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No one likes topic titles like that. They a misleading and often you get a bunch of people posting about being disappointed that what's being described in the topic title isn't real...on second thought that may not have been a bad idea.
 
All this LA hate makes me feel like I walked into a BIG appreciation thread.
 
eznark said:
This is why I wish catastrophic global warming were real, so that all of Cali would just get flooded.
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Unless I'm mistaken, the East coast would be under water WAYYYY before Cali.
 
Ranger X said:
how about mat paints? GTR 2008 already had some mat black color and it looks awesome.

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The issue is that the paint is not reflective enough.. so you think that a paint which is even less reflective would solve the problem? Huh?
 
Onix said:
Unless I'm mistaken, the East coast would be under water WAYYYY before Cali.
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Not if the san andreas blows before the ice caps melt. Maybe the midwest will get lucky and both coast will sink at the same time sparing us the constant banter going back and forth between east and west.
 
Onix said:
Unless I'm mistaken, the East coast would be under water WAYYYY before Cali.
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I'll be back in the midwest long before that happens. And if the Great Flood only takes CARB and the 9th Circus I'll be satisfied.
 
reilo said:
CARB is run by a bunch of fucking totalitarians and fascists. They are the biggest joke of a local agency and have far too much power.

The even bigger joke being that cops can pull you over in Cali if you have a slightly modified car, check your engine bay to see if all of your equipment is CARB certified, and if not then they will fine the living hell out of you.
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That is a bit over done but they sure are unpredictable and arbitrary.

There are all these people that modify Priuses to put big batteries in them and make them plug-in hybrids, but CARB has kinda killed that off from becoming an industry due to their regulations . . . sort of a bizarre considering those battery-mod people are trying hard to make the air better. (CARB = California Air Resources Board)
 
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