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A Cartel Used Armed Drones and a Plane to Bomb Police​

The attack by CJNG on a police station in Jalisco, Mexico, killed two officers.

Members of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel used a small airplane and several explosive drones to attack a local police station in a small town in the state of Jalisco this weekend, killing two municipal officers.
The cartel used a Cessna airplane to fire on the policemen, who shot back and managed to kill two cartel members on board, according to local news reports. During the attack on Nov. 26, the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG) simultaneously used several drones to drop hand-made explosives on the police, as well as at least a dozen men in pick-up trucks on the ground who fired on the police station.


A video shared on social media shows a small airplane flying over the town’s skies while heavy fire is heard from afar. The gunfight left two cartel members dead, according to the authorities, as well as the police officers.





The gunfight happened in the small town of Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, in a mountainous region bordering the state of Aguascalientes. Since at least 2018, the CJNG has been fighting the Sinaloa Cartel for the control of the area, which is a route used for transporting drugs from Mexico’s southern border to the U.S.

Hours after the fight, cartel members used buses and pick-up trucks to block several of the main streets of the town to stop the arrival of the Mexican Army and National Guard, according to news reports.
Jalisco State Governor Enrique Alfaro confirmed the attack and said that the cartel was trying to to terrorize the town. “Today the criminals tried to generate fear and to cow our local authorities, but they hit a wall…” he wrote on Twitter.


The CJNG has used explosive drones to launch attacks on authorities and rivals since at least 2020. Last year, news reports flagged a drone attack against another local police station in the state of Michoacán, which injured two cops.
The drones that organized crime groups use in Mexico are commercially available and charged with hand-made explosives like Tovex or C4, according to recent investigations.

This appears to be the first time a cartel uses an airplane to attack authorities. A similar plane was recently used in the state of Jalisco to drop thousands of printed flyers threatening the Sinaloa Cartel.

Jalisco, and two other bordering states Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, are at the center of the war between these two criminal organizations that has killed hundreds and displaced thousands.

A Cartel Used Armed Drones and a Plane to Bomb Police

The attack by CJNG on a police station in Jalisco, Mexico, killed two officers.

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[AJUMP23]

Seems like an escalation.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Impossible. Forza Horizon 5 taught me that Mexico is a paradise.

 

[Stitch]

 

[Artoris]

Seems like an escalation.

It's not going to end well for them, the government, such as it is, has no choice but retaliate

 

[AJUMP23]

It's not going to end well for them, the government, such as it is, has no choice but retaliate

I don't think the Mexican government wants to go to war with the cartel. Many are on the take anyway. The war with the Cartel would almost be a civil war and the government seems like it might be outgunned.

 

[Artoris]

I don't think the Mexican government wants to go to war with the cartel. Many are on the take anyway. The war with the Cartel would almost be a civil war and the government seems like it might be outgunned.

I think war has come to them

 

[AJUMP23]

I think war has come to them

Quazi War has always been the status quo.

 

[jason10mm]

There are.....solutions to this problem if there is the will.

and for the uneducated, this is a still from the film adaptation of Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger about using US military assets to fight cartels.

 

[DeepEnigma]

There are.....solutions to this problem if there is the will.

and for the uneducated, this is a still from the film adaptation of Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger about using US military assets to fight cartels.

The public doesn't have the stomachs for what it takes for a clear and decisive end to the most ardent problems that are being escalated... would take less than a week's time to boot.

 

[Artoris]

Quazi War has always been the status quo.

But this one brings international attention, and they have to respond

 

[jason10mm]

The public doesn't have the stomachs for what it takes for a clear and decisive end to the most ardent problems that are being escalated... in less than a week's time, to boot.

I agree with you, but it is a VERY easy argument to make that the drug cartel induced instability in Mexico/SA is the primary driver of the immigration crisis and drug problem here in the US, thus a military response is warranted.

Though we tried it in 1846 and it didn't go so well (or maybe it went TOO WELL and we overextended?). Have the Mexicans fixed Yellow Fever so we don't die so much anymore???

 

[DeepEnigma]

I agree with you, but it is a VERY easy argument to make that the drug cartel induced instability in Mexico/SA is the primary driver of the immigration crisis and drug problem here in the US, thus a military response is warranted.

Though we tried it in 1846 and it didn't go so well (or maybe it went TOO WELL and we overextended?). Have the Mexicans fixed Yellow Fever so we don't die so much anymore???

Sadly, I have zero faith in current powers that be to do anything about it. Wasn't that long ago they aided in encouraging it.

 

[AJUMP23]

The public doesn't have the stomachs for what it takes for a clear and decisive end to the most ardent problems that are being escalated... would take less than a week's time, to boot.

The US could do something, but the collateral damage around taking out the Cartels would be immense. And when you kill the leaders, the money is so good the gap is filled. To end the cartel stranglehold, you have to go and occupy the source countries. We don't want that expense and human cost. You could legalize all drugs, but that creates more problems probably than it solves. Maybe if you sent enough people to early graves, you could solve the problems.

 

[GeekyDad]

Whew...you see it coming, but it seems so far away until it actually happens, then it's alarming as fuck. This is madness. So much of this shit is...gee whiz, man. Access to this sort of tech is now mainstream, so yeah, this is only the beginning, I would imagine. We're gonna absolutely start to see this happening a lot closer to home, I'm sure. We've already got crazy shit cropping up daily, and it's happening so often that it's being accompanied by advertising for Black Friday sales (I shit you not. That was how the front page of Yahoo news looked the other day).

 

[Airbus Jr]

The US could do something, but the collateral damage around taking out the Cartels would be immense. And when you kill the leaders, the money is so good the gap is filled. To end the cartel stranglehold, you have to go and occupy the source countries. We don't want that expense and human cost. You could legalize all drugs, but that creates more problems probably than it solves. Maybe if you sent enough people to early graves, you could solve the problems.

Cartel already killing US citizen

 

[EverydayBeast]

You could give Mexico away to the best politicians and the cartel would still come in and give you things to think about like self defense, drugs and human slaves involved.

 

[Spaceman292]

Those police who managed to snipe two of the people in the plane are badasses

 

[Nemesisuuu]

There are.....solutions to this problem if there is the will.

and for the uneducated, this is a still from the film adaptation of Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger about using US military assets to fight cartels.

Is that Ding Chavez?

Spoiler

I know it is.

 

[AJUMP23]

Cartel already killing US citizen

Yes and by guns that the US gave the cartels through gun running schemes during the Obama administration.

 

[Tams]

the money is so good the gap is filled

The only solution that isn't widespread invasion and occupation is to kill anyone who tries to take control of the drug trade. As in, as soon as they are known, rain bombs down on them. No attempts to arrest them or give them a fair trial, just kill them. That might eventually scare anyone from trying to fill the gap and if any do... they die.

Unfortunately, that would mean their families likely dying, but those families bear some responsibility for putting up with their relatives being shitstains on the bedsheet of life.

It won't happen though. The corruption is too deep. Many politicians, police, and even armed forces would have to be executed too.

 

[chromhound]

Impossible. Forza Horizon 5 taught me that Mexico is a paradise.

You have to wait for the next DLC

 

[GeekyDad]

The US could do something, but the collateral damage around taking out the Cartels would be immense. And when you kill the leaders, the money is so good the gap is filled. To end the cartel stranglehold, you have to go and occupy the source countries. We don't want that expense and human cost. You could legalize all drugs, but that creates more problems probably than it solves. Maybe if you sent enough people to early graves, you could solve the problems.

Unfortunately, that's probably the only thing that, right now at least, would alleviate the violence. But it has to be viable first for first-world countries to make money from that prospect. Until it is, I doubt we'll see more than a continued token effort put into stopping any of this. This is centuries long madness.

 

[GymWolf]

I don't think the Mexican government wants to go to war with the cartel. Many are on the take anyway. The war with the Cartel would almost be a civil war and the government seems like it might be outgunned.

A cartel outguning a civilized american state that can use the fucking army if needed?

 

[AJUMP23]

A cartel outguning a civilized american state that can use the fucking army if needed?

A cartel and a civil war would imply that the Mexican Cartel is fighting the Mexican Government....not the American army.

 

[vpance]

Gunfights from airplanes? That's some Just Cause shit.

 

[FoxMcChief]

There are.....solutions to this problem if there is the will.

and for the uneducated, this is a still from the film adaptation of Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger about using US military assets to fight cartels.

Aren’t some Cartels Backed by our government ?

 

[GymWolf]

A cartel and a civil war would imply that the Mexican Cartel is fighting the Mexican Government....not the American army.

Maybe i have a different, way more bleak idea of a civil war with a drug cartel.

I'm sure the local police is gonna be able to handle them if the cartel really wanna go all out...

Who do US states call when the police is not enough to handle something big like a damn civil war?

 

[RoadHazard]

Insane shit going on in those places. Full on civil war.

 

[AJUMP23]

Maybe i have a different, way more bleak idea of a civil war with a drug cartel.

I'm sure the local police is gonna be able to handle them if the cartel really wanna go all out...

Who do US states call when the police is not enough to handle something big like a damn civil war?

We have the National Guard. But in the first and only American Civil war the US Army split in many ways. With southern soldiers going south (Robert E. Lee) and Northern soldiers staying in the south. Constitutionally the US Army (military) cannot be deployed on US Soil against US citizens, but the National guard can. the NG are mainly used for relief efforts in natural disasters but can be put in place to quell rioting and unrest. Washington did call up the Militia to quell the Whisky rebellion during his presidency.

In Mexico the Mexican police are most likely Cartel members or on the take from the cartel. That is why we keep seeing non cartel politicians and leaders being murdered in Mexico. The Mexican police and the Cartel work together. And there is likely a high probability of corruption with Mexican military officials.

 

[GymWolf]

We have the National Guard. But in the first and only American Civil war the US Army split in many ways. With southern soldiers going south (Robert E. Lee) and Northern soldiers staying in the south. Constitutionally the US Army (military) cannot be deployed on US Soil against US citizens, but the National guard can. the NG are mainly used for relief efforts in natural disasters but can be put in place to quell rioting and unrest. Washington did call up the Militia to quell the Whisky rebellion during his presidency.

In Mexico the Mexican police are most likely Cartel members or on the take from the cartel. That is why we keep seeing non cartel politicians and leaders being murdered in Mexico. The Mexican police and the Cartel work together. And there is likely a high probability of corruption with Mexican military officials.

People told me that majority of mexico is not like that buti it still sound majorly fucked up.

 

[Days like these...]

As if mass shootings aren't enough I hope nobody in the states gets any ideas.

 

[Trunx81]

Using that CIA money good, I see …

 

[AJUMP23]

People told me that majority of mexico is not like that buti it still sound majorly fucked up.

Central rural Mexico is not like border cities and Mexico City. Only because there is no reason for the Cartel to be there. But where there is incentive the cartel is ruthless and destructive.

 

[lukilladog]

Yes and by guns that the US gave the cartels through gun running schemes during the Obama administration.

US weapon makers and some military members are still selling weapons directly to cartels, they have been taken to US courts by Mexican representatives with evidence in hand, but of course they are not winning shit, there is just too much corruption. And people saying that Cartels are the cause of the drug problem in the states need to realize that drug dealing is just another opportunity to make a living, a high risk one, but an opportunity nevertheless, so there are sociological and cultural problems that need to be addressed first, in the US and Mexico. See what happened during the alcohol prohibition in the States, alcohol production increased by a factor of 10 in Mexico, but thankfully that time around Mexico didn't adopt the US policy on alcohol and we didn't get to see this kind of gangster activity. Fuck Nixon and his puritan war on drugs.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

As if mass shootings aren't enough I hope nobody in the states gets any ideas.

Mass shootings are usually planned around attacking a large group of unarmed people like a movie theater or concert venue. The goal is to get the highest body count and become infamous, and not to face armed resistance like these cartel members did facing off against police. Not that crazy people attacking police never happens, it’s just not the typical mass shooter M.O.

 

[jason10mm]

Unfortunately, that's probably the only thing that, right now at least, would alleviate the violence. But it has to be viable first for first-world countries to make money from that prosect. Until it is, I doubt we'll see more than a continued token effort put into stopping any of this. This is centuries long madness.

I also agree that drug legalization is really the ONLY thing that will curb the human suffering. AFAICT oil companies are not torpedoing each other or seizing drilling platforms through force. Sure there is nefarious shit between pharma companies at times but it isn't crushing generations of the working class (except under high drug prices I suppose).

Anyhoo, legalizing most of the recreational drugs that are not outright toxic (like meth, just isn't any way to make that safe) and providing treatment centers for addicts is probably the one true way. Then corporatization and regulation can stem the violence, improve the lives of the farmers, and ensure purity and dosing which would do a lot of limit deaths in the end user.

Face it, Folks wanna get high. Whether from alcohol, social media, vidja games, gambling, drugs, sex, base jumping, you name it someone has figured out how to commercialize access to it and no amount of laws has ever squashed any of it. Make it legal, transfer it to at least a semi-regulated and above board enterprise, use the revenue through taxation to treat folks, and move on.

 

[Bragr]

I never understood why the army of Mexico isn't flagging the cartels as enemies of the state and go total war. They need to go full-on dictator and gun down anyone who even looks their way. Democracy only keeps these people alive.

I rather live in a hellhole wartorn country than live with cartel members in my country. It's impossible to co-exist with people who kill children and civilians for nothing.

The entire idea of civilization is to band together and safeguard yourself, which goes beyond political doctrine or whatever modern notion. It's not possible to live with animals.

 

[Bragr]

I also agree that drug legalization is really the ONLY thing that will curb the human suffering. AFAICT oil companies are not torpedoing each other or seizing drilling platforms through force. Sure there is nefarious shit between pharma companies at times but it isn't crushing generations of the working class (except under high drug prices I suppose).

Anyhoo, legalizing most of the recreational drugs that are not outright toxic (like meth, just isn't any way to make that safe) and providing treatment centers for addicts is probably the one true way. Then corporatization and regulation can stem the violence, improve the lives of the farmers, and ensure purity and dosing which would do a lot of limit deaths in the end user.

Face it, Folks wanna get high. Whether from alcohol, social media, vidja games, gambling, drugs, sex, base jumping, you name it someone has figured out how to commercialize access to it and no amount of laws has ever squashed any of it. Make it legal, transfer it to at least a semi-regulated and above board enterprise, use the revenue through taxation to treat folks, and move on.

We have to legalize drugs because people are scumbags and want to get high. It's a joke within a joke.

And this is not gonna stop the cartels. They are only gonna sell it at a lower price than the storefronts. This goes way deeper than some little adjustment of the market. It is cultural at this point.

 

[Days like these...]

Mass shootings are usually planned around attacking a large group of unarmed people like a movie theater or concert venue. The goal is to get the highest body count and become infamous, and not to face armed resistance like these cartel members did facing off against police. Not that crazy people attacking police never happens, it’s just not the typical mass shooter M.O.

I know it's not their M.O. that's exactly why I said "I hope no one gets any ideas".

 

[DeepEnigma]

I know it's not their M.O. that's exactly why I said "I hope no one gets any ideas".

Nice try FBI.

 

[EviLore]

I never understood why the army of Mexico isn't flagging the cartels as enemies of the state and go total war. They need to go full-on dictator and gun down anyone who even looks their way. Democracy only keeps these people alive.

The cartels have more resources than the government and none of the limitations.

 

[jason10mm]

We have to legalize drugs because people are scumbags and want to get high. It's a joke within a joke.

And this is not gonna stop the cartels. They are only gonna sell it at a lower price than the storefronts. This goes way deeper than some little adjustment of the market. It is cultural at this point.

I dunno. The 'War on Drugs' has lasted GENERATIONS. Look at the example of prohibition. All the criminal activity around alcohol manufacturing and distribution went away PDQ once it was re-legalized. I suspect a very similar thing would happen with most drug legalization.

Granted, legal alcohol contributes to what, 50K+ deaths a year due to car crashes, violence, and alcoholic related disease? So what is our tolerance as a society for free adult substance use?

 

[lukilladog]

I never understood why the army of Mexico isn't flagging the cartels as enemies of the state and go total war. They need to go full-on dictator and gun down anyone who even looks their way. Democracy only keeps these people alive.

I rather live in a hellhole wartorn country than live with cartel members in my country. It's impossible to co-exist with people who kill children and civilians for nothing.

The entire idea of civilization is to band together and safeguard yourself, which goes beyond political doctrine or whatever modern notion. It's not possible to live with animals.

Maybe because values are not such unless they cost you something.

Remember C.S. Lewis:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”​

Or Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe because values are not such unless they cost you something.

Remember C.S. Lewis:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”​

This quote especially, shines bright in the current state of things.

 

[Bragr]

I dunno. The 'War on Drugs' has lasted GENERATIONS. Look at the example of prohibition. All the criminal activity around alcohol manufacturing and distribution went away PDQ once it was re-legalized. I suspect a very similar thing would happen with most drug legalization.

Granted, legal alcohol contributes to what, 50K+ deaths a year due to car crashes, violence, and alcoholic related disease? So what is our tolerance as a society for free adult substance use?

The war on drugs is completely different in Mexico than in the U.S. The cartels in Mexico are terrorist factions, not the mob.

In the places where drugs have been legalized, criminals lower the price of drugs and sell them in bigger batches and still make money.

The cost of drugs and alcohol in society is far greater than just the visible issues, it affects everything from parenting to mental health in significant ways. We are living in self-sabotaging communities, completely out of wack. I don't think people understand how bad it is.

 

[Bragr]

Maybe because values are not such unless they cost you something.

Remember C.S. Lewis:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”​

Or Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I wonder what C.S. Lewis and Franklin would say if they saw a bunch of grown men butcher children because their fathers were in a rival gang, right after they raped the mothers and posted about it on instagram.

This is an unlivable situation, it has to be stopped. I can't imagine the shit the Mexican people have to deal with. Liberty means nothing in hell.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I wonder what C.S. Lewis and Franklin would say if they saw a bunch of grown men butcher children because their fathers were in a rival gang, right after they raped the mothers and posted about it on instagram.

They'd walk them to the gallows. You don't need full on authoritarianism/dictator to enforce already illegal acts.

Sadly, the corruption is immeasurable and there are a lot of outside influences as well.

 

[Bragr]

They'd walk them to the gallows. You don't need full on authoritarianism/dictator to enforce already illegal acts.

Sadly, the corruption is immeasurable and there are a lot of outside influences as well.

They would walk them to the gallows, and then the next day they would get gunned down because they followed the traditional rule of law.

Places with poverty, desperate youth, and little money are not gonna flip by modern western democratic ideals. You are not gonna elevate the living standards of a nation by hope and decades of charity when people have nowhere to turn.

This is an unlivable situation, there is too much suffering.

The youth has to fear the government more than the cartels.

 

[lukilladog]

I wonder what C.S. Lewis and Franklin would say if they saw a bunch of grown men butcher children because their fathers were in a rival gang, right after they raped the mothers and posted about it on instagram.

This is an unlivable situation, it has to be stopped. I can't imagine the shit the Mexican people have to deal with. Liberty means nothing in hell.

Brutality has always been around.