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CES: Finally an FF Wheel for Xbox? (PR)
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The Faceless Master
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they still don't specifically say force feedback
*yawn*
avoid this shit like the plague!
all it is is a redesigned version of the 4-in-1 Speedlink link I bought a year ago. They claim FF but it's anything but. It's some fancy way they use vibration effects but it is NOT true force feedback. All you're gonna get it sporadic rumbling.
Now...Microsoft MAY come out with a true FF wheel for Forza, but it would be a waste of time and R&D IMO. I mean, you cannot develop a true FF wheel with a proper motor and FF effects and have it work with all the other racing games for the Xduke. If it only works with Forza, it's not worth it. Forza is a game that will NOT live up to the hype and I aint gonna touch it with a ten foot pole.
Bring on GT4 and the Logitech FF wheel baby!! Bring it the fuck...ON!!
avoid this shit like the plague!
all it is is a redesigned version of the 4-in-1 Speedlink link I bought a year ago. They claim FF but it's anything but. It's some fancy way they use vibration effects but it is NOT true force feedback. All you're gonna get it sporadic rumbling.
Now...Microsoft MAY come out with a true FF wheel for Forza, but it would be a waste of time and R&D IMO. I mean, you cannot develop a true FF wheel with a proper motor and FF effects and have it work with all the other racing games for the Xduke. If it only works with Forza, it's not worth it. Forza is a game that will NOT live up to the hype and I aint gonna touch it with a ten foot pole.
Bring on GT4 and the Logitech FF wheel baby!! Bring it the fuck...ON!!
Kanbee-san
Member
Lame. They really should can this game and make a decent attempt for xbox 2. GT4 has this licked in all areas (well maybe not online and customization).
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Is it even 900 degrees?
The problem AFAIK is that Xbox doesn't support FF period. The hardware just doesn't support it. A big oversight on MS' part.. It will be fixed almost 100% with Xbox 2 (since all Xbox2 controllers will work on pc as well).
The only way people were thinking of building a force feedback was using the vibration channel and encoding force feedback into vibrations and the special controller decoding the vibration signals. Of course this is quite complicated and simply not worth the effort at this point.
The only way people were thinking of building a force feedback was using the vibration channel and encoding force feedback into vibrations and the special controller decoding the vibration signals. Of course this is quite complicated and simply not worth the effort at this point.
Gek54 said:
from some earlier discussion, I found this:
http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/archive/index.php/t-31249.html
"Like we've covered before; its not a technology issue, its the fact that Microsoft have (for whatever reason, possibly patent-related) not added an FF API to the XBox's version of DirectX, so every dev team would have to build it from the ground up, and there would be no guarantee of your FF wheel working the same way from one game to the next."
ok , maybe my remark wasn't entirely accurate, but it's definately something wrong on microsoft's side, otherwise I don't see any reason for not having force feedback.
"The problem AFAIK is that Xbox doesn't support FF period. The hardware just doesn't support it. A big oversight on MS' part.. "
As it's been said twice before, it's not hardware, it's software. MS just kept Force feedback out of Xbox on purpose... maybe to keep people from splicing PC USB wheel connectors on Xbox controller plugs and having a big free for all...
Anyway, If the wheel was designed especially for it, I guess it'd be possible to send over force feedback data over the vibration channel, but that would imply that the forza team built the feedback library for themselves and that the wheel itself is built to decode the data... I mean, they can encode anything over any kind of media these days, as long as you have the protocols on both sides it's not really a problem...
But I REALLY doubt ANY maker would go through that trouble for 1 game in a system's last year, especially when said platform is already saturated with racers that specifically dont have feedback built in.
As it's been said twice before, it's not hardware, it's software. MS just kept Force feedback out of Xbox on purpose... maybe to keep people from splicing PC USB wheel connectors on Xbox controller plugs and having a big free for all...
Anyway, If the wheel was designed especially for it, I guess it'd be possible to send over force feedback data over the vibration channel, but that would imply that the forza team built the feedback library for themselves and that the wheel itself is built to decode the data... I mean, they can encode anything over any kind of media these days, as long as you have the protocols on both sides it's not really a problem...
But I REALLY doubt ANY maker would go through that trouble for 1 game in a system's last year, especially when said platform is already saturated with racers that specifically dont have feedback built in.
This is a wheel that I have been keeping my eye on, and looks like it just very well may be THE to finally satisfy our Xbox racing game needs.
Kingpin....yes all Xbox racing games do not have true FF, just a rumble signal. But my guess, is that what this wheel will do is take the rumble signl and attempt to make it behave as if you are controlling a true foce feedback wheel. The statements made on Fanatec's webpage indicates that you will be a able to adjust several things on the motor that will enhance the immersion of what true force feedback offers.
For example, it says you will be able to adjust the actual resistance of the wheel from a setting of 1 to 3. This is a huge step in the right direction, since it is eliminating the use of springs altogether and will use the actual motor to resist your steering!!!
Bumps, crashes, etc will also cause the wheel to turn rapidly as opposed to simply "rumbling". This gives me the feeling it will feel closer to what an FF wheel on a Daytona USA arcade cabinet feels like.
I am waiting with baited breath for a chance to order and test out the wheel. I just wish there was a firm release date and retailers in the U.S. will be carrying it.
Kingpin....yes all Xbox racing games do not have true FF, just a rumble signal. But my guess, is that what this wheel will do is take the rumble signl and attempt to make it behave as if you are controlling a true foce feedback wheel. The statements made on Fanatec's webpage indicates that you will be a able to adjust several things on the motor that will enhance the immersion of what true force feedback offers.
For example, it says you will be able to adjust the actual resistance of the wheel from a setting of 1 to 3. This is a huge step in the right direction, since it is eliminating the use of springs altogether and will use the actual motor to resist your steering!!!
Bumps, crashes, etc will also cause the wheel to turn rapidly as opposed to simply "rumbling". This gives me the feeling it will feel closer to what an FF wheel on a Daytona USA arcade cabinet feels like.
I am waiting with baited breath for a chance to order and test out the wheel. I just wish there was a firm release date and retailers in the U.S. will be carrying it.
Just sent the following letter to Fanatec.....
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Greetings and hello Fanatec! My name is Isamu. I have been looking at your Speedster 3 Force Shock wheel for the Xbox and wanted to tell you I am very much looking forward to giving this wheel a try.
I have a few questions if you don't mind.....
1)What date this month will we be able to buy the wheel?
2)Will you ship to the United States?
3)Are you the same company that makes the 4-in-1 Speedlink Force wheel for the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube? Their wheel looks a bit simliar to yours and is also from Germany. You can see a picture of it *HERE*
5)I wrote a post in a thread on the Xbox racing forums and made some comments about what I think your Speedster 3 force will offer us racing fans. I would like to have you take a look at what I wrote and tell me how accurate my statements are regarding the force effects of your wheel.
Here is a copy of my comments, followed by a link to the actual thread:
*thread*
Fanatec....how accurate are my comments above? Is there anything stated above you would like to correct me on? Will your wheel offer the kind of FF experience described in my comments above?
6)I did not notice any sort of desk clamp while looking at pictures of the Xbox Speedster 3 ForceShock wheel. Will you be offering some sort of desk clamping solution for this?
Thanks in advance for your time and hope to hear a reply from you soon
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_____________________________________________
Greetings and hello Fanatec! My name is Isamu. I have been looking at your Speedster 3 Force Shock wheel for the Xbox and wanted to tell you I am very much looking forward to giving this wheel a try.
I have a few questions if you don't mind.....
1)What date this month will we be able to buy the wheel?
2)Will you ship to the United States?
3)Are you the same company that makes the 4-in-1 Speedlink Force wheel for the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube? Their wheel looks a bit simliar to yours and is also from Germany. You can see a picture of it *HERE*
5)I wrote a post in a thread on the Xbox racing forums and made some comments about what I think your Speedster 3 force will offer us racing fans. I would like to have you take a look at what I wrote and tell me how accurate my statements are regarding the force effects of your wheel.
Here is a copy of my comments, followed by a link to the actual thread:
*thread*
Fanatec....how accurate are my comments above? Is there anything stated above you would like to correct me on? Will your wheel offer the kind of FF experience described in my comments above?
6)I did not notice any sort of desk clamp while looking at pictures of the Xbox Speedster 3 ForceShock wheel. Will you be offering some sort of desk clamping solution for this?
Thanks in advance for your time and hope to hear a reply from you soon
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Apharmd Battler
Member
Vormund said:
I along with several of my pals have been saying the same goddamn thing for 4 YEARS!! M$ had some awesome PC wheels, and they have all these game on XBox, boasts about the XBox potential, and have yet to back the console with a quality first party driving wheel.
It's kinda like my grandma whose an excellent cook and hooks up the family meals on the holidays, but she won't even make you a sandwich for a snack when you visit, and takes you to White Castle. when what you really want is something she cooked from her heart. <sobs>.......
Gek54 said:
That is true Gek....but take a very VERY close look at how they describe the way the FF motor works in standard racing games....
*LOOK HERE*
It's in Flash so I can't copy and paste the text...
Going by that description, it will not replicate force feedback the way PC Sims deliver force feedback, but you know what? It will, in my opinion, closely replicate the kind FF that arcade cabinets deliver. Have you ever played Ridge Racer or Daytona USA in the arcade? Their FF effects are nowhere near as realistic as those in PC sims like GTR, Live For Speed and Nascar Racing 2003. The arcade games' FF deliver effects where if you crash up on a curb or collide with another vehicle, the wheel will jolt suddendly(sometimes violently) and offer vibrations depending on what the vehicle is doing.
This kind of behavior appears to be what we can expect from this Fanatec wheel, going by their description of how the main motor behaves. The other two motors are just small motors that will simply rumble yes, but the main motor is what I'm excited about. I feel this wheel may be the closest thing to duplicating what an ARCADE cabinet wheel does....which is what I'm after. I'm much more interested in arcade racers than PC sims. I just want to add some good jolts to a wheel while playing Xbox racing games like OutRun 2.
But it's all speculation until we actually get our hands on the damn thing.
Error Macro
Member
I've got an idea. Why doesn't MS just port Forza to the PC, so it can be 60 fps at high resolutions, and I can play it with a MOMO wheel?
isamu said:
If that's all it is, I'll do without. I want true Forcefeedback, or some similar technology. When I'm steering through a curve, I want some type of progressive resistive force which mimics real forces on a real steering wheel. Of course it won't be real. I'm just asking for suspension of disbelief.
tahrikmili
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Consoles suck for racing sims anyway, I only play arcade racers on them, so I'm neither impressed nor crushed. But still:
No Force Feedback = Lame
No Force Feedback = Lame