Copyright Industry Calls For Broad Search Engine Censorship

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https://torrentfreak.com/copyright-industry-calls-for-broad-search-engine-censorship-120127/

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At a behind-closed-doors meeting facilitated by the UK Department for Culture, Media and Sport, copyright holders have handed out a list of demands to Google, Bing and Yahoo. To curb the growing piracy problem, Hollywood and the major music labels want the search engines to de-list popular filesharing sites such as The Pirate Bay, and give higher ranking to authorized sites.
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Assign lower rankings to sites that repeatedly make available unlicensed content in breach of copyright

Prioritize websites that obtain certification as a licensed site under a recognised scheme

Stop indexing websites that are subject to court orders while establishing suitable procedures to de-index substantially infringing sites
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since they are not trying to BAN ANYTHING (until there are court orders for that):
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Wouldn't torrent sites not want to show up high on the list?

Further, shouldn't authentic site be shown first since they are more likely to genrate revenue for the search engine?
 
Another search engine will simply manifest and get bigger. Remember when Google was an anomaly in 1999? I sure do.
 
Honestly, if it doesn't affect legitimate websites and content, I'm okay with it. It will likely need some fine tuning to ensure that.
 
well, it is not that simple... to my knowledge this already happens, but you have to have your law firm to deal with google... what sucks is that small companies who dont have legal power always get shafted anyway.

so here is another - lets pay the lawyers and you will get in, deal.

at the same time, it really does suck when google autosuggests "crack or serial or keygen" when you look for software.
 
I'm sorry but anyone who is OK with this is missing what I consider to be the big issue.

So you'd make a small concession for this. Cool, now they've censored you a little.
Then they'll have their foot in the door to do it again.

Tell the government to fuck the hell off with this shit. Stop letting them encroach on free internet.

I'm not advocating for piracy, but I am 100% advocating for keeping the government from stepping where it doesn't belong.

Here's a video that breaks copyright that explains my feelings. And yes, it's Captain Picard, but his feelings are my own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lRmmHPE8EvA#t=60s
 
Hm, okay, they're actually not trying to get the sites out of the results, just to de-prioritise them in said lists? That's more okay than other solutions.
 
google is already doing this. probably only a matter of time before people switch to bing unless they start blocking searches as well.
 
Fucking absurd. 'Curb' the growing piracy problem? We should curb the growing lobby problem, that's fucking up our government taking up their precious time with these needless meetings, negotiations, treaties. You're crazy if you're ok with this. Messing up with the indexing of a site in a search indexer equals censoring. Might as well just block the site all together. Next thing you know, you won't be allowed to post links to those sites anywhere, because hey, search indexers aren't allowed to, so why should you?
 
This is stupid. Google shouldn´t be censuring sites. It´s job should organize and present the web as is. Not how the companies want it to be. Take down the sites yourselves. I have no problem with that.

I don´t have a problem with what they already do with instant being censured though
 
But as soon as you know the name of a filesharing site you'd find it, regardless if it's ranked down or not. Also is usually the official stuff vastly outnumbered by the pirate sites. So you can't even rank them that low.
 
Yep, the potential for abuse is huge, in particular this clause:

Prioritize websites that obtain certification as a licensed site under a recognised scheme
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There's a new money pit. Don't want to pay for licensing costs? Less search engine hits for you.
 
That's what is supposed to happen. If you aren't paying for licensed content, why would you deserve/want popularity?
 
It's not big media's place to tell search engine companies what their algorithm should be. Especially with prioritizing those that get some certifications that they have no control over.

If they removed, or lowered priority for those that continually had copywrite infringing material on them, good bye youtube...ustream, justin tv, gone as well.
 
I don't want media organisations having leverage over the priority of search results any more than they already do. When I perform a search, I want to know that I'm being returned the most relevant and most linked to information, NOT just what MSNBC, Sony, Time Warner or News International want me to see. Of course, advertisers and those with money can already influence results, but giving them Carte Blanche to apply for court orders or investigations which would automatically lower the ranks of websites or delist them altogether? No thank you.

Sites and links that operate illegally and illicitly are already removed from listings on request... I'd like to see Google and the like do a little more and meet them half way, basically come up with algorithms to weed out obvious things (like movie torrents) - because if they don't, this is what happens. The people with the money come for your freedoms.
 
Won't this open the doors for a grassroots search engine that doesn't tamper with results?


I'm sure the industry would want to put a halt to that too then.

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subversus said:
All search engines based in these countries will have to oblige.
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Countries. Hahaha. But then again, I wouldn't surprised if the industry will lobby for blocking 'open' search engines in other countries.
 
Pave way for the return of Altavista!
 
Yeah, this is a lot more specific and not as black and white as the previous ideas.

Of course most people still won't agree as they don't like any kind of control.

Its okay for people to defend what belongs to them, but not so when others do it.

pompidu said:
Id hate for this to be abused and legit sites get ranked down cause "they are competitors".
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Many legit sites already get ranked down either by directly paying or just by doing search engine optimization.

entrement said:
Technology is just too broad for these companies to handle. They should adapt the Valve model.
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You mean everyone should start their own online platform?

Blu10 said:
It's not big media's place to tell search engine companies what their algorithm should be. Especially with prioritizing those that get some certifications that they have no control over.

If they removed, or lowered priority for those that continually had copywrite infringing material on them, good bye youtube...ustream, justin tv, gone as well.
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uh, what makes you think that they wouldn't be willing to get licensed asap?
 
What kind of results would I get if I typed in "[name of movie]+torrent"? How would this curb piracy at all? Accurate search results pushed to page 3? Foolproof scheme!
 
I'm tentatively alright with this. I say tentatively because I was tentatively for SOPA in the beginning and that got very scary very fast.

But seriously, I have very little problem with the idea of Google not returning results for "Inception torrent"


Ecrofirt said:
I'm sorry but anyone who is OK with this is missing what I consider to be the big issue.

So you'd make a small concession for this. Cool, now they've censored you a little.
Then they'll have their foot in the door to do it again.

Tell the government to fuck the hell off with this shit. Stop letting them encroach on free internet.

I'm not advocating for piracy, but I am 100% advocating for keeping the government from stepping where it doesn't belong.

Here's a video that breaks copyright that explains my feelings. And yes, it's Captain Picard, but his feelings are my own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lRmmHPE8EvA#t=60s
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This is the slippery slope argument. Its a logical fallacy. It can be applied to literally every single thing ever. You can take any action imaginable and theoretically extrapolate it into a worst case scenario.
 
I don't think the copyright industry should be given anymore straws until they come back and rethink their business models.
 
DCKing said:
I don't think the copyright industry should be given anymore straws until they come back and rethink their business models.
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I'm 100% opposed to censorship and don't like the way piracy has been fought, but I don't really understand how the industry can even begin to compete. How do you compete with free? Serious question, I want to know what people are proposing.
 
Kwixotik said:
I'm 100% opposed to censorship and don't like the way piracy has been fought, but I don't really understand how the industry can even begin to compete. How do you compete with free? Serious question, I want to know what people are proposing.
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Are you kidding me? The copyright industry is swimming in royalties and damages from legal proceedings due to the absurd imbalance of the current US statutory law.
 
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