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Dark Souls |OT5| Definitely better than the sequel
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Why's that? Couldn't someone drain anor londo after Sif and simply kill the kings?
Seeing as after Anor Londo you can do whatever you want in whatever order you want, it doesn't seem that far off that someone went to the 4K first and found out. If you add the fact that the game rewards you with multiple playthroughs, the probability of finding it out alone is close to 100%.
I dont know too, how one would not speak to framp when he first shows up.
you almost have to go to the 4 kings before ringing the too bells.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Since a lot of covenants and bosses might be missed or skipped on your first play, I bet many of the developers expected certain areas or bosses to remain undiscovered until NG. I didn't kill Gwyndolin, join the Blue Sentinels, Gravelords or Darkwraiths nor did I visit the Painted World on my first blind play. I only lucked into finding Great Hollow and Ash Lake because of my irrational fear of Mimics.
Yes to the first part.
What? to the second part.
You can't go to 4K without ringing both bells. Unless you somehow know to kill the key dude with arrows from afar for no good reason.
No, since Anor Londo is needed to unblock all the golden doorways - you have to get the Lord Vessel first. When you get back to Firelink, you'd see Frampt and who would NOT go see what he was about?
Obviously there are some that would find it out, but a very very low amount considering the order of doing things and seeing Frampt.
There's no yellow fog in new londo though that needs the lord vessel so what's to stop anyone from actually doing it before hand?
The 4K don't have a golden gate, so you can do them whenever you want, even before ringing any bell.
My first playthrough was blind and like many (all?) I spoke with Frampt and followed his questline. In NG+ I knew what I had to do and went to New Londo after ringing the bells and before Sens. Since I knew Ingward was supposed to give me the key, when he didn't, because I still didn't have the Lordvessel, I killed him. When I defeated the 4K I met Kaathe. I did this without guides, so it's quite possible to find him in a blind playthrough, although I agree that in NG it's near impossible.
you can do the 4 kings as the 3rd boss in the game.
asylum demon, sif and then 4 kings.
how come, you didn't talk to frampt again that time?
asylum demon, sif and then 4 kings.
how come, you didn't talk to frampt again that time?
I did. Later I read that Kaathe appears as long as you haven't placed the Lordvessel using Frampt services. It's a smart design choice that allows people like me to be lucky in finding Kaathe.
Sorry, I forgot the issue. Which was he won't give it to you unless you have the Lord Vessel. Which, either way you wouldn't know you should kill him to get something that you didn't even know what it was for or the ramifications of killing him.
Orochinagis
Member
Yeah, you can go four kings very early but I dont remember if four kings have a yellow wall like the other lords.
Its really hard in a first run to meet Kaathe because the default storyline makes you meet frampt and you get the idea he is the only serpent in the game, I think someone could meet kaathe if they just go to four kings without placing the lord vessel at all, completely clueless about placing the lord vessel with frampt
Its really hard in a first run to meet Kaathe because the default storyline makes you meet frampt and you get the idea he is the only serpent in the game, I think someone could meet kaathe if they just go to four kings without placing the lord vessel at all, completely clueless about placing the lord vessel with frampt
Red Liquorice
Member
There's no yellow fog door for 4 Kings, you just need to drain New Londo (and kill Sif obv)
Talking to the serpent thingy and he let's you out or just poison yourself or homeward bone?
Orochinagis
Member
No idea, framp should take to the lordvessel chamber or maybe the Bondfire thaere takes you to the Firelink shrine
Does Kaathe actually warp you out if you don't have the vessel? Because if you talk to him after you have the vessel, he'll only warp you to the kiln.
As for homeward bone/suicide, that would only work if you don't touch the bonfire down there.
Yes he does he warps you back to firelink regardless of you having it or not. Well why would you need to light that bonfire anyway? I just left as there's no need to ever go back there.
If I see a bonfire, I'm gonna light it. I just am. But beyond that, if you join his covenant, it's a lot faster to warp there than to go through New Londo to level up in the covenant.
That's interesting that he warps you too firelink though. I only ever encountered him after getting the Lordvessel, and the warp option only takes you to and from the altar where you place the vessel.
It's the altar where he warps you not the shrine. Sorry I wasn't clear really.
Orochinagis
Member
Darkwraits covenant need that bonfire to rank up. Also you learn the true story from him if you show him the lordvessel before put it in the altar.
Oh do you I left my new game right outside the fog gate so I can join the dark wraiths. I'm going to do that at some point.
"true"
Orochinagis
Member
Both are true but framp not doesnt tells you entire truth while Kaathe expand it telling you
about gwyn's fear of humans chaotic nature and doesnt desire the humans being the owners of their own fate but usen them as a fuel to continue the age of fire.
Yeah, I didn't meet him until NG+. The funny thing is, though, that I almost went out of my way not to meet him the first time around. I explored New Londo quite a bit even before killing Quelaag, and I went and explored it even more after getting the Lordvessel and refusing to place it because I wasn't 100% sure if I'd preserve the warp ability. After I stumbled upon the healer guy and he began talking about things I hadn't yet fully experienced (I'm not sure if I had even met Frampt up to this point, because I missed him pre-Sen's/Anor Londo!), I decided to go back instead of moving forward because I felt like I was jumping ahead of the story.
The same applies to the DLC, actually. I very likely would have discovered it, if only I hadn't consciously refused to kill the passive crystal golem in Duke's Archives. He seemed to be absorbed in something, and I found it charming.
Wait so it is on steam? 'Cause it doesn't show up when I search for it.
Is the game banned or something where you live?
tryagainlater
Member
Is this game rare? Finding it hard to track down a cheapish copy. Console version obviously, no steam for me.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
That's what I've been trying, so far. I know I've made lots of ill-timed decisions in terms of rolling/blocking and such. The camera gets pretty brutal when locked on and trying to keep an eye on both of them at once, though.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Eagle Shield, I might give that a shot. I took a quick look at the wiki, I definitely need to switch out the Knight Shield for the Silver Knight Shield at the very least for that added lightning defense.
tryagainlater
Member
Alright, I bought it for 25 Euro. Hope it's worth it. PS+ has made me such a cheap bastard when it comes to buying games 
It certainly is worth it even more so if you've got the one with the dlc on disk.Alright, I bought it for 25 Euro. Hope it's worth it. PS+ has made me such a cheap bastard when it comes to buying games
Shoes either the eagle shield or the silver knight shield are good choices of use against Ornstein and Smough.
FutureZombie
Banned
I don't see how you can drain New Londo without the Lordvessel. I remember speaking to the guy in the red robe before I had the Lordvessel and he didn't give me the key to the seal. Unless you get the key by killing him?
The NPC interaction in this game is just too confusing.
The NPC interaction in this game is just too confusing.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
Sweet baby jesus, I beat them. My hands are shaking from how tense it got! I had a couple REALLY close attempts... then I got rattled, had about an hour of mediocre tries, then... it happened. I recorded it too, just for giggles!
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
I always kill Ornstein first. Mega Smough's attacks are easy to dodge, whereas Super Ornstein has huge range, is difficult to hit, can do his impaling attack, as well as his jump-back attack.
Red Liquorice
Member
Yay, post it when it's up!
So fucking lame. I am on my second playthrough (new character) and struggling with O&S, switch to crystal halberd, easily beat Smough, handling Ornstein well, down to half health, and he glitches through the wall, doesn't reappear, and eventually it gives me the victory. The best boss fight in the game and the thrill of victory is stolen from me because of a crappy glitch. Sucks.
Spent some time grinding the Royal Sentinels in Anor Londo for Titanite Chunks. I should have enough to upgrade my Balder Side Sword and Longbow to +14 once I get the Very Large Ember.
I killed Sif and he was very easy. When are you normally supposed to fight him? Because he was a pushover compared to O&S. it seems like you'd have nothing to worry about fighting Sif as long as you have a shield that blocks 100% of physical damage and decent stability.
Heading to New Londo Ruins next since I want that very large ember ASAP.
I killed Sif and he was very easy. When are you normally supposed to fight him? Because he was a pushover compared to O&S. it seems like you'd have nothing to worry about fighting Sif as long as you have a shield that blocks 100% of physical damage and decent stability.
Heading to New Londo Ruins next since I want that very large ember ASAP.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
Yay, post it when it's up!
Well, it's recorded... but the quality makes it virtually unwatchable. I was getting tired of messing with the settings in OBS and just wanted to play, I guess I screwed something up. No video
Kind of sucks, I wanted to upload some of my failures!Thanks! I wish I could have had his help and gotten a Medal out of it... but I didn't have any humanity, and no one was rating my "need humanity" pleas!
Well, it's recorded... but the quality makes it virtually unwatchable. I was getting tired of messing with the settings in OBS and just wanted to play, I guess I screwed something up. No video
Thanks! I wish I could have had his help and gotten a Medal out of it... but I didn't have any humanity, and no one was rating my "need humanity" pleas!
Is that what "Need Humanity" means?!
That doesn't give you humanity at all I'm afraid.No one was rating my "need humanity" pleas!
I always assumed it meant they wanted someone to throw a fight against them or something
Usually it means they want someone to summon them for a boss fight so they can regain humanity. But since there is no way to tell who wrote a message, it's pretty useless to leave that message.
But super Smough doesn't give any loot besides his soul and Ornstein armor is so awesome...