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Digital Foundry: High on Life 2 DF Review: PS5/PS5 Pro/Xbox Series X|S/PC - Big Fun But What About The Tech?
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So, software Lumen stinks less. Or at least should.
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MidGenRefresh
Banned
It's software based ray tracing used for global illumination, but don't take my word for it:
CRYENGINE | Documentation - Voxel-Based Global Illumination (SVOGI)
The complete solution for next generation game development by Crytek
www.cryengine.com
And yeah, it looks pretty stunning in KCD2. Hell, it still looks great in the first game.
kevboard
Member
It's software based ray tracing used for global illumination, but don't take my word for it:
CRYENGINE | Documentation - Voxel-Based Global Illumination (SVOGI)
The complete solution for next generation game development by Crytek
And yeah, it looks pretty stunning in KCD2. Hell, it still looks great in the first game.
again, yeah, it is "raytracing"
but not the way the term is usually used.
if you see a game having Screen Space Reflections, you aren't going to say "look! raytracing!"
either way tho, SVOGI is far superior to Lumen, especially software Lumen.
Sorry replied to wrong post
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I'm confused, are you saying Arc raiders has crap IQ ? as I play on PC and on PS5 Pro and it's not bad IQ on the pro, yeah its not PC quality but hey its hard to match a 9800X3D and 9070XT without either a 5080 or 5090 ?
winjer
Gold Member
Not necessarily.
Bojji
Gold Member
Sorry, I misread your post.
You are completely right about AR. They used elements of UE5 that suited them.
Most devs just use all expensive features and end up with 720p games and bad performance.
kevboard
Member
you'd think it would, but it doesn't.
Lumen is never stable, while having IMO similar precision issues as SVOGI.
Negotiator101
Member
Specifically talking about lighting though and it's showing its age in that regard. I can't imagine anyone wants to go back to baked lighting, it just doesn't look right most of the time.
Yeah, seems you can take the engine and just drop Nanite and Lumens which seems sensible given the crap that is being turned out and produce a very solid game across multiple platforms
LordCBH
Gold Member
Tbh if the choice is between baked lighting but runs great and doesn't look blurry, or whatever trash UE5 is putting out, I'll take the baked lighting.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which is why the "enhanced edition" with RTGI is coming. Someday. Soonish.
Still holds up well all things considered, with far less of an overhead tax of UE5's model.
Same people said UE5 was an over-bloated mess at one time as well.
This is not the Pro's problem nor is this the thesis.
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Negotiator101
Member
You were told it was an underpowered Pro model.ps6 cant come soon enough if even ps5pr0 is below 800p here
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Because they don't need to pay high salary nerds to keep R&D on an in-house engine anymore
Even more so, epic is not selling just an engine, they're selling an ecosystem where you can hire labour from cheap countries or little to no experience juniors and they can work for you because everyone and their grandma knows UE5 first before anything else and it's heavily documented.
Accountants fucking LOVE UE5 $$$
Sohurmk833
Member
I take baked lighting +stable 60fps and a higher base resolution over this RT shit any day of the week.
Dust-by-Monday
Member
They never talked about performance differences on the pro, just pssr. Does it run better on the pro? Less drops??
kevboard
Member
so instead of baked lighting you want completely unstable, constantly boiling, constantly ghosting lighting?
why?
I take literal PS2 quality baked GI over Lumen any day
PeteBull
Member
Even 160W ps6 on 3nm with proper rdna5 gpu and zen5 cpu will be still 2,5x+ faster from base ps5 even if it comes to raster, ad on top much better ai and rt capabilities and it should still be solid deal for 999$.
Ofc personally i would want same 3nm nextgen ps6 with 240W powerlimit(like ps5pr0 has) but thats my sonyfanboi wetdream which obviously wont be reality
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Lumen is only really boily and noisy when paired with a bad upscaling solution though ...when it's done right it looks glorious
Rt lighting is always better than baked lighting when done competently
kevboard
Member
I couldn't name you a single game with Lumen GI that has stable and good looking lighting that is on par with baked GI.
not 1.
and the upscaler has absolutely nothing to do with it. I tried every DLSS model, I tried TSR, FSR, Native TAA, no AA.
it's all just varying levels of instability and ghosting.
you can reduce the boiling by modifying the engine file, but the best you can do is decrease boiling in exchange for dramatically worse ghosting, or the other way around.
you can also try increasing the ray count, but with how low performance Lumen is, doing that will kill your framerate really fast.
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Did you just get out of jail or something? Why did you bump so many old DF threads today?
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