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Digital Foundry: Romeo Is A Dead Man - DF Review - PS5/PS5 Pro/Xbox Series X|S/PC
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What a generation, ppl arguing about what console runs 720p better..... in 2026
We're working with what we have
But let's be honest, a lot of these mid/low budget games wouldn't even be made without an engine like UE5, whether we like the engine or not.
kevboard
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We're working with what we have
But let's be honest, a lot of these mid/low budget games wouldn't even be made without an engine like UE5, whether we like the engine or not.
uh... what? Unity? Godot? CryEngine?
honestly UE4 would be preferable at this point.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
UE4 has its own share of stutter issues, especially on PC. There's a reason so many developers, even ones with their own established tools like CDPR, are switching to UE5.
kevboard
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using UE5 without using Lumen and Nanite is also possible, yet... they don't do that.
sadly, UE5 offering shortcuts like Lumen, that make games also actively look worse, means awful performance.
We're working with what we have
But let's be honest, a lot of these mid/low budget games wouldn't even be made without an engine like UE5, whether we like the engine or not.
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Bojji
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Most wut? Jeez man stop, you need help.
Prove him otherwise.
adamsapple
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DenchDeckard
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Imagine if this was how the Xbox was performing at the start of the gen.
I still find it funny that Sony did the marketing deal with Epic for UE5, all that talk from fans and here we are.
I still find it funny that Sony did the marketing deal with Epic for UE5, all that talk from fans and here we are.
dgrdsv
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Well people said that they prefer 60 fps to anything else... so...What a generation, ppl arguing about what console runs 720p better..... in 2026
Ashamam
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Imagine coming out with a comment like that and omitting context around resolution targets. I have no idea how you have not been banned over the years. Its straight up trolling.
If you want the win stick to a PS5 comparison, that at least would be honest.
Bojji
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They never said that PS5 and Xbox had different resolutions. They focused on some denoising issue on Xbox.
At the same time Pro is ~1080p but drops to 45FPS.
Ashamam
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This is about the Pro, not the base PS5. The Pro has a higher resolution with slightly better IQ and less stable fps than the X. Thats the unbiased full story. Meh, AA just drives me mad. Cant stand shills, they lack all objectivity.
Bojji
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Base console has same resolution as Xbox but worse framerate (drops to 50 when Xbox is 60). There is nothing wrong with what
adamsapple
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Ashamam
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Why do you keep talking about the base PS5? His comment was about the Pro.Base console has same resolution as Xbox but worse framerate (drops to 50 when Xbox is 60). There is nothing wrong with what
Bojji
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It's also about base consoles in the first part. I agree that Pro part is missing resolution targets, but performance is the king isn't it?
And with resolution we are talking about dynamic 720-1080p on base machines so when they are 60fps locked they don't operate in 720p most of the time.
Ashamam
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The overall comparison is, it was purely the comment that I'm responding to though. It was just the usual console war bullshit though without content. I'll admit it I was triggered. Should know better.
I mean the X being better than the PS5 on UE5 games doesn't bother me, it often is, albeit sometimes with some sort of caveat. But if you are going to say something is better than something else at least provide the context. I'd add though that an internal res as low as 720p is in the realm of poor IQ whatever the machine, but I don't know where the dynamic res usually sits with this one, so its hard to form an opinion about 720-1080p on the one comparison, or the same vs "slightly above" whatever that means. But leaving out this and just sticking to fps isn't honest imo. Resolution does matter, especially when its dipping this low. If it were 1440p vs say 1800p that would be entirely different.
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Always the same users. Always. Series X with UE5 has outperformed ps5 at 60 fps almost every single time. Rarely happened the contrary. WTF again with this stupid narrative.
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Me? From the start of generation fans like you have massacred the others balls with the narrative of series X has a magnificent hardware, It should destroy the ps5 in terms of perfomance in every single multiplat, people expected 1600p vs 4k as a common difference. Now we have to see the usual suspect celebrate as a master of engineering a machine which holds better 60 fps with practically identical setting on UE5 or selective engine? I mean, seriously? Good Lord wtf at least tries to preserve some credibility no? I'm not want even comment more the absurdity of the argument about series X which outperforms ps5 pro because really hit a new level of specious fanboyism; even on xbox one X many developers had the bad habit to prioritize resolution over the perfomance but hardly anyone has tried to argue ps4 beaten the one X in performance because was a beast
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Toots
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I have network issues at home these days and so i pulled out the ole dvd collection since i can't go online.
I tried to watch fulltime killer but the image quality and most of all the baked in subtitles must have been in 640x480 resolution it was horribly blurry and pixellated (for the subtitles). Dvd's aren't made for 4k tvs at all...
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Toots
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Do you really think someone who can put Phil Xbox balls in his mouth without flinching cares about facts when defending his green lady honor ?Me? From the start of generation fans like you have massacred the others balls with the narrative of series X has a magnificent hardware, It should destroy the ps5 in terms of perfomance in every single multiplat, people expected 1600p vs 4k as a common difference. Now we have to see the usual suspect celebrate as a master of engineering a machine which holds better 60 fps with practically identical setting on UE5 or selective engine? I mean, seriously? Good Lord wtf at least tries to preserve some credibility no? I'm not want even comment more the absurdity of the argument about series X which outperforms of ps5 pro because really hit a new level of dense fanboyism; even on xbox one X many developers had the bad habit to prioritize resolution over the perfomance but hardly anyone has tried to argue ps4 beaten the one X in performance because was a beast
You should let it go.
The more you struggle the more you're trapped bro there is no winning this one.
To be fair John says it drops to 45 in that single room when you trigger that particular boss.
He also says that for the majority it holds 60, except for this particular level.
I feel like people only hear the information which suits their narrative.
Some do it for console war reasons, others just to troll.
It's quite sad because DF make great content, and it's very interesting in seeing these games benchmarked and tech they use.
Yet most people use them for the reasons I pointed out
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why is any of this 'bothering you' in the first place either? The context is in the summary post that I made that you're accusing me of not providing, lol. SX running the game better than PS5 Pro is a factual statement.
I have no idea why this game's particular comparison is effecting this many users, lol. Nothing I've said in this topic is false, everything is derived from the video.
Anyone whose accusing me of making shit up is welcome to watch it.
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I think the problem here is you are acting like series x is somehow on par or superior to ps5 pro when we know its not. this like taking SF6 on ps4 and saying its a beast cause it had better textures and same resolution on series s when we know its just a terrible port.Why is any of this 'bothering you' in the first place either? The context is in the summary post that I made that you're accusing me of not providing, lol. SX running the game better than PS5 Pro is a factual statement.
I have no idea why this game's particular comparison is effecting this many users, lol. Nothing I've said in this topic is false, everything is derived from the video.
Anyone whose accusing me of making shit up is welcome to watch it.
hououinkyouma00
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Same energy.I like the ones which go "I've been a PC gamer for years..." too. Fun stories to read
Does that really have that much of an impact? In real world terms I mean.
Going back to the 360 era no doubt.What a generation, ppl arguing about what console runs 720p better..... in 2026
adamsapple
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1440p > 1800p is a *much* bigger difference than 720p > 1080p is.
We're talking over a million pixels in difference.
Not even including the fact that that "720p" is dynamically adjusting to 1080p as well.
Mr Moose
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There's over a million pixels difference between 720p and 1080p, 125% difference.
1440p > 1800p is a *much* bigger difference than 720p > 1080p is.
We're talking over a million pixels in difference.
Not even including the fact that that "720p" is dynamically adjusting to 1080p as well.
DenchDeckard
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Are you butt hurt? We have heard for years and many agree that performance is what matters.
The facts are, in the last two years and especially in UE5 the series X is performing better than Sonys console and even on occasion the Pro
Performance is what matters. Unless now the narrative is that vrr is all that matters?
Is that something that's upsetting you?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure, I'm saying the gap in difference between 720p>1080p and 1440p>1800p is a much bigger gulf.
720p>1080p is 1152000 pixels
1440p>1800p is 2073600 pixels
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Also, it becomes even more cause that 720p is not static, it's DRS 720p to 1080p depending on screen load.
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DF talks about UE5 and says it needs more powerful hardware. what i don't like is they downplay anything with out RT and show the worst parts of BF6 to make a point when 99% of people would think BF6 looks better in the real world. basically UE5 at 60fps with good IQ on consoles is not possible.
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Are you fanboy? Because at 60 fps UE5 game always perfom better on series X so what the hell is this persistent vicious narrative "ah if only the generation started now things would be different for series X"? Yeah people with your attitude upsetting me, it's not a mistery because before the start of this generation this would have been the worst scenario possible for people like you in terms of perfomance gap because the expectations around series X weren't surely that modest and the same subjects tries too see proudly such difference. It's not like neither the game perform totally shitty on ps5 and or the graphic is heavily downgraded.
And again this stupidity about the ps5 pro? Because ion ps5 pro such games runs at the same range or resolution or even with the same graphic setting.
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There is only a miniscule tiny meaningless difference about the lower DRS range which it's 1080p on ps5 pro where on Series X it's 720p. Irrelevant right?Why is any of this 'bothering you' in the first place either? The context is in the summary post that I made that you're accusing me of not providing, lol. SX running the game better than PS5 Pro is a factual statement.
I have no idea why this game's particular comparison is effecting this many users, lol. Nothing I've said in this topic is false, everything is derived from the video.
Anyone whose accusing me of making shit up is welcome to watch it.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There is only a miniscule tiny meaningless difference about the lower DRS range which it's 1080p on ps5 pro where on Series X it's 720p. Irrelevant right?
That's for you to decide, do you value the IQ difference more between 720p~1080p vs 1080p or do you value the more consistent performance, which can range between 10~15fps more during combat or traversal.
DF have stated their take on which version they think runs the best. They talk a lot more about the performance differences than the IQ.
You can have your own opinion. I am simply reiterating what DF said since this is a DF topic.
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I wouldn't call a beast an hardware which runs more consistently 60 fps a game with 720p of base res, just to start. Because it happened something similar with MGSDelta at launch and now things are quite different; so could be again the same case of rushed/unbalanced port on ps5 pro, unfortunately very common when UE5 and studios with a minor budget is the combo. But sure let's rush the Series X celebration, it's not the first time won't be the lastThat's for you to decide, do you value the IQ difference more between 720p~1080p vs 1080p or do you value the more consistent performance, which can range between 10~15fps more during combat or traversal.
DF have stated their take on which version they think runs the best. You can have your own opinion. I am simply reiterating what DF said since this is a DF topic.
Maybe this time will never fix it on ps5 console.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I wouldn't call a beast an hardware which runs more consistently 60 fps a game with 720p of base res, just to start. Because it happened something similar with MGSDelta at launch and now things are quite different; so could be again the same case of rushed/unbalanced port on ps5 pro, unfortunately very common when UE5 and minor studios is the combo. But sure let's celebrate it because Series X is a beast, it's not the first time won't be the last
Oh my god, is all this overreaction simply because I used the word 'beast"?
jfc ..
if series x can get fsr4 it would be beast and offer something base ps5 can't that would make a big difference. since xbox is dead it probably wont happen though.
Well it's not like is ended there, you started a very long sequence of bolded opinable statements after that but OK, it's only me the problem, for you, I guess
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I don't think around of 11ms of gpu costs it's...feasible. PSSR cost 2ms just to say and a lot of people find it already an exaggeration.
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I have no idea why this game's particular comparison is effecting this many users, lol. Nothing I've said in this topic is false, everything is derived from the video.
Anyone whose accusing me of making shit up is welcome to watch it.
Maybe the combo niche Game+Japanese Studio+ XSX version performing as it does against a PS5/Pro..... It's hard to explain and accept for those who didn't foresee this situation at this point in the generation.
This... and then there's Karin and the recurring déjà vu in every DF thread due to her inability to handle any comments praising the XSX's results in multiplatform versions...
The thing is, this isn't just seen in UE5 games; there are similar or even greater differences favoring the XSX in other third-party graphics engines in these last two years.
But hey! You're a tiresome Xbox fanboy if you point this out... even though the same people who are telling you this two years ago were also arguing that such a situation wasn't possible and that the opposite would be the norm.
."XSX is a beast" works like Tarzan's yell or Batman's signal on Neogaf.
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Hyper_hyper
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If. IF? Same was said that AMD Fidelity FX features won't be on PS5 because one and only and almighty XSX is "FULL" RDNA 2. And then.... Resident Evil Village showed AMD Fidelity FX features on..... PS5. :/
Klayzer
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Be careful with him. He loves to play victim after gassing threads up.
The thing is people like you at the start of the generation haven't exactly such expectations for series X but let sell it as an incredible achievement and all the bullshit around downplay the ps5 specs are never happened.Maybe because we are dealing here with a niche game, from a new Japanese third-party Studio...
According to some, an XS version shouldn't exist in this comparison, much less an XSX version of a niche Japanese game performing as it does against a PS5/Pro..... It's hard to explain and accept for those who didn't foresee this situation at this point in the generation.
This... and then there's Karin and the recurring déjà vu in every DF thread due to her inability to handle any comments praising the XSX's results in multiplatform versions...
The thing is, this isn't just seen in UE5 games; there are similar or even greater differences favoring the XSX in other third-party graphics engines in these last two years.
But hey! You're a tiresome Xbox fanboy if you point this out... even though the same people who are telling you this two years ago were also arguing that such a situation wasn't possible and that the opposite would be the norm.
"XSX is a beast" works like Tarzan's yell or Batman's signal on Neogaf.
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