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Do we even need a new consoles so soon?

Spyxos

Spyxos

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Since the consoles are likely to be postponed, I had to think again about how I don't really need an upgrade at all. I remember towards the end of the PS3 era, I think it was Battlefield 3, where after just a quick play, I thought, wow, it's really on its last legs now.

But even towards the end of PS4, I didn't really need an upgrade. The games still looked great. Now with PS5, I don't see the upgrade path at all. Of course, there are exceptions such as Monster Hunter Wilds and Borderlands 4, but the consoles can't be blamed when games are released completely broken and unfinished.

But many of the games still look great. New hardware is coming because it's time for new hardware again. But not because it is really needed.
 
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What do you mean "so soon". They will be released like 2 years from now earliest.
Also you could still use your PS5 probably for 5-6 years or more (I mean there will be still game releases for it) so I do not understand what is your problem. Just buy your Ps6 in 2030 or later.
 
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Only valid argument I can think of for new consoles sooner rather than later is that the current CPUs are pretty weak in comparison to the GPUs, especially when compared to the GPU in PS5 Pro.
 
I personally think that Switch 2 shows the way for next gen. It was "late" and sold gangbusters on pent up demand, despite not having much in the way of great content. That hardware sales impetus has driven people to release patches for old stuff, and put new games on the slate.

I think if I were Sony I'd be dragging this gen out to 2028 - another gen where people can't see and / or feel the difference to the point they don't bother to upgrade, will really harm the console space. This gen has already felt optional and many feel disappointed.

Then there's hardware costs - particularly for PC, that will hamstring upgraders for a while. So the rush to put out new hardware will leave devs unable to utilise the power if they want their multiplats to perform.

Besides I still don't feel this gen has seen enough genuine quality content, or even systems pushed to the edge of their capabilities. Everything feels a little too safe and operating well within limits just as devs are beginning to get a grip on how to use what they've got.

Maybe there is something truly interesting out there that Sony can put on the market. Xbox is a PC - we know what that is, basically tech we already have. So really, its up to Sony to make something compelling and not eye wateringly expensive. I dont see how they do all that without going Nintendo-too and waiting a little longer.
 
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Xbox gamers definitely will want one in 2027. We likely have most games locked up for 2026 no problem but by 2027 I could see some ports drying up a bit more. Once PC stores are accessible then we'll have access to almost every game. More power doesn't hurt either. Ultimately all you're going to really need is whatever can run Unreal 5 at max settings easily. We could use a little more power for that, and ray tracing but that's about it.

Switch 2 is obviously good for another 6 years.

PS5, I don't pretend to know what Sony gamers want. Whatever Sony does I expect is fine with them.
 
2027 was feeling a bit early to me. Looking at the graphics hardware AMD has, it doesn't feel like a PS6 would be a big leap over the PS5. I'm all for waiting longer until the upgrade feels more meaningful.

If they're pushing it out to 2029 or 2030, hopefully they can either bump the spec and give players more for the same price, or launch at a little bit cheaper price when it's time.

I feel like the lack of first party titles is also a big contributor here. Players haven't gotten the value out of the PS5 yet. Let's get some more exclusives on PS5 and I think we'll see more people open to the idea of a new generation.
 
Developers need more powerful systems and more recourses so they can stop optimizing code completely.

It's for their benefit, not your's.
 
rm082e said:
2027 was feeling a bit early to me. Looking at the graphics hardware AMD has, it doesn't feel like a PS6 would be a big leap over the PS5. I'm all for waiting longer until the upgrade feels more meaningful.

If they're pushing it out to 2029 or 2030, hopefully they can either bump the spec and give players more for the same price, or launch at a little bit cheaper price when it's time.

I feel like the lack of first party titles is also a big contributor here. Players haven't gotten the value out of the PS5 yet. Let's get some more exclusives on PS5 and I think we'll see more people open to the idea of a new generation.
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You almost have to think of the PS6 as another Pro Console (or what the PS5 Pro should have been). All the games will be coming to PS5 too.
 
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You almost have to think of the PS6 as another Pro Console (or what the PS5 Pro should have been). All the games will be coming to PS5 too.
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I think that's accurate. PS5 Pro is not even a half gen jump. It's the only quarter gen jump.

PS6 is the half gen jump.

PS7 is the first thing that leaves PS5 behind.

Generations are dead.
 
Based off the leaks I can hold off on PS6 until 2030 as I'm not expecting major console exclusives early on.

Far more excited about PS6 Portable .

Other than that I'm happy enough with my PS5 Pro and Switch 2 for the foreseeable.
 
I think the issue is, that PS5 and XSX rarely optimize the games to take advantage of the power of the hardware.

They are either making games for Ps4 as well, or MS is making their games playable on the XSS.

Just ditch the XSS and both need to focus on PS5 and XSX.

If they did that, then these consoles would be completely sufficient for 5 more years. The first 3 years both companies rarely put any exclusive games out.
 
If you've been in the 'RAM increase could delay next gen consoles' thread on here, the common sentiment seems to be 'good' or at best indifference.

Releasing consoles every 5-7 years made sense under very different circumstances than the current industry paradigm. Even if Sony wanted to go ahead and release the system 'on schedule' in 2027, based on this gen you know the first 2-3 years of next gen will have cross-platform titles, because the economics of modern AAA development doesn't allow a clean break from the last gen consoles. You need those consoles until such time as the new ones establish themselves.

Hell, we still have people who haven't moved past PS4, and a large part of that is the economies of scale is completely fucked this generation with 'market conditions' pretty much since 2020 not allowing for this round of consoles to drop in price to a level that late adapters tend to buy into. Enter the trending RAM crisis which will either result in another round of increases or at least another thing to keep these consoles from dropping MSRP and yeah....interesting times. Heading into 2026, these systems are probably anywhere from $100-150( $200-250 for Series S/X) more than they 'should' be under normal circumstances that simply doesn't exist anymore.
 
Punished Miku said:
Most 3rd parties will likely be making sure they're on Switch 2. Don't forget PS6 Portable coming.

XSS was ahead of its time.
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True....forgot about that.

Switch 2 is already outdated and underpowered. And can only fit a couple 100+gb modern AAA games on that miniscule storage anyway (since would be digital or key card)..........troublesome even if you got a SD Express card.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
You almost have to think of the PS6 as another Pro Console (or what the PS5 Pro should have been). All the games will be coming to PS5 too.
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Yeah, I agree. The PS and Switch are more like phones and tablets now where it's more about the ecosystem than the specific piece of hardware. I think it's the correct way for them to approach the hardware, but it does make each generation or Pro version less exciting.
 
I don't see why people are clamoring for one, outside of poor consoomerism.

The games coming out now look phenomenal and the tech is not advancing as fast as it used to.
 
We're still getting PS4/PS5 cross-gen releases.

I'm good if the next gen consoles get pushed back. Chances are if they came out next year, we'd just be playing PS4 games at 4k/120fps, which my PC can already do.
 
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Spyxos said:
Since the consoles are likely to be postponed
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I think PS6 very likely was planned for November 2027 and will be released November 2027. Regarding Xbox, I think they already rejected the idea of making a next gen Xbox years ago and will just license the brand to other manufacturers as did with Asus for the Rog Ally.

What I think may happen this generation is that we may be getting all the PS6 gen games crossgen with PS5 due to global economical crisis plus rising costs of games needing to release in as much places as possible.
 
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I don't think we do. I think the biggest thing we had in terms of a jump for me has been the ditching of HDDs to SSDs otherwise I honestly would have been fine with playing last gen consoles even today. Don't get me wrong, the improved graphics/performance/raytracing, etc have been very nice to have but they didn't really stop me enjoying games on old gen, the HDD loading whenever I go back to them however...very annoying.
 
diffusionx said:
I don't see why people are clamoring for one, outside of poor consoomerism.

The games coming out now look phenomenal and the tech is not advancing as fast as it used to.
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And games that take advantage of the tech in tangible ways are taking practically an entire generation to produce now. I'm reminded of the days when the entire Uncharted trilogy AND the Last of Us came out in a 6 year period. We're lightyears from that at this point.
 
No, we need the industry to get healthier rather than more hardware. Improve things outside of hardware. Decrease development times, make better game ect.

Steam machines should make it better since it's another platform that will need to have software that's easily scalable. I imagine steam machines and also the introduction of a PS5 handheld doesn't make the need for a new gen to start anytime soon. Steam machines is not a nextgen device so the next gen won't be starting with them either. Kind of a missed opportunity imo for them. They had a chance to get nextgen started first but decided to stay with dated hardware instead.
 
Here's what I see as the reality based on where things are headed: there's going to have to be a 'de-evolution' in the games that come out now. We've tapped out on the cost of games, the cost of hardware, and the pool of people willing to buy into how the industry has always functioned. IMHO we're better off returning to the days where a game can be produced in 2-3 years, and I don't mean via replacing the creatives with A.I slop. I mean scaling down the scope of games in general. Maybe that's a minority opinion on a gaming forum, but we really are at the end of the line of the current industry model.
 
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I'm going to be in a constant state of smug disbelief for the next 8 years when everyone who trashed the Series S nonstop does a 180 so sharply they leave flaming skid marks on the ground, and all line up to proclaim how this is now the ideal path.

Just hilarious how every single one of those vehement arguments against the Series S and how much it was holding back gaming were literally hot air and lies that meant absolutely nothing and didn't contain even a shred of truth. Just years of lies, nonstop, just to console war.
 
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Deerock71 said:
Frankly, I don't even think the PS4 generation was tapped out.
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Eh, I think Ghost and TLOU2 showed what the PS4 was maximally capable of.

Yotei in spite of the retarded thread we had in here before it came out is a much much better looking game.

dragonyeuw said:
And games that take advantage of the tech in tangible ways are taking practically an entire generation to produce now. I'm reminded of the days when the entire Uncharted trilogy AND the Last of Us came out in a 6 year period. We're lightyears from that at this point.
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I am still not sure to what extent those 6 year developments are because the games take this long to make or the COVID thing just screwed up this entire generation.
 
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diffusionx said:
I am still not sure to what extent those 6 year developments are because the games take this long to make or the COVID thing just screwed up this entire generation.
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Could be a bit of both, I don't know where the line is. But even going back to last gen the development cycles were clearly getting longer than the 7th gen, which I feel was a reasonable balance of getting quality, high profile games with a much better release cadence. In addition to my aforementioned Uncharted trilogy/TLOU example, you also had the entire Mass Effect, Gears of War, Resistance, Halo 3/Reach/4 and other franchises that don't immediately come to mind release all within that generation. There's a few companies like Capcom nowadays giving us a steady stream of Resident Evil titles the last 6 years( 2/3/4 remake, Village albeit all built on the same core engine) or even Insomniac with Miles Morales/Ratchet and Clank/Spidey 2( not including Spider-man remastered but YMMV on whether to throw that into the mix) all releasing between 2020 and 2023, but they're exceptions to the rule nowadays.
 
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Gaming tech, both hardware and software, has matured to the point that IMO it's now going to work more like new phones or new PC components, in the sense that it's less about a "need" and more about offering an optional upgrade.
You don't really "need" more than like an Rtx2060 to play basically any game on the market right now, but we still have like 3 generations of newer GPUs for those wanting more. Ps6 and onwards will basically be like that IMO.

Do you want better framerates, higher resolutions, better ray tracing, better upscaling, etc? Get a Ps6
Do you think games still look and run fine on the Ps5 and don't think the upgrades on Ps6 are worth the price? Stay on Ps5
 
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memoryman3 said:
You sure about that? It's about the same hardware power as the Steam Deck and already we can see it struggling in newer games.
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Switch 1 had almost no major 3rd party stuff. They're already ahead of that. Later years it will have less ports though, so that's a fair point.
 
yurinka said:
I think PS6 very likely was planned for November 2027 and will be released November 2027. Regarding Xbox, I think they already rejected the idea of making a next gen Xbox years ago and will just license the brand to other manufacturers as did with Asus for the Rog Ally.

What I think may happen this generation is that we may be getting all the PS6 gen games crossgen with PS5 due to global economical crisis plus rising costs of games needing to release in as much places as possible.
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I doubt many ps6 exklusive games, can be just downgraded to ps5 hardware.
 
Spyxos said:
Since the consoles are likely to be postponed, I had to think again about how I don't really need an upgrade at all. I remember towards the end of the PS3 era, I think it was Battlefield 3, where after just a quick play, I thought, wow, it's really on its last legs now.

But even towards the end of PS4, I didn't really need an upgrade. The games still looked great. Now with PS5, I don't see the upgrade path at all. Of course, there are exceptions such as Monster Hunter Wilds and Borderlands 4, but the consoles can't be blamed when games are released completely broken and unfinished.

But many of the games still look great. New hardware is coming because it's time for new hardware again. But not because it is really needed.
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Yeah, I could absolutely wait 4-5 more years. I'm perfectly happy with my PS5 and I just want the devs to finally catch up. It feels like they're constantly racing towards better and better graphics and forgetting the gameplay. This could allow things to calm down.
 
Spyxos said:
I doubt many ps6 exklusive games, can be just downgraded to ps5 hardware.
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PS6 will have more exclusive games that PS5 is getting, basically because most of these games that were Xbox console exclusives or only had console PS+Xbox versions are now going to be PS console exclusives.

To compensate development cost increases and lost of Xbox console sales, all next gen games are going to be released on PC too, as mostly is already happening now. As minimum or medium settings in PC are going to have PS5 (real in terms of quality and performance, not theorical numbers) equivalent hardware specs.

Next gen games will be made having in mind PS5 and some of them maybe even the somewhat equivalent Steam Machine or even the inferior Steamdeck (until Steamdeck 2 gets released) to also cover the PC handhelds, because same as happened this gen with devs insterested on also releasing the games on PS4 because the majority of the userbase remained in PS4, same will happen next gen with PS5: they'll keep releasing games on PS5 because it will be where the majority of users will be (same goes with PC hardware, the ones having high end specs are always a tiny fraction of the PC market).

So won't be an issue at all to release them on PS5 or to downport them. They'll look better in PS6, that's all.
 
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Xbox is dead, Nintendo just released the S2. PS6? Sony's output is laughable. Developers still dont know how to use UE
 
memoryman3 said:
The PS5 will soon be running titles at 30fps only and 720p…what then for portables?
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They're not going to ignore the Switch 2. Capcom ought to be giving you insight on that one. There's already exclusive software coming to the Switch 2 from Japanese devs. I'm not sweating over software.
 
We don't need 6000-series Nvidia GPUs before late 2027 or early 2028 and we don't need a new console generation before late 2029 at the earliest.
 
Deerock71 said:
They're not going to ignore the Switch 2. Capcom ought to be giving you insight on that one. There's already exclusive software coming to the Switch 2 from Japanese devs. I'm not sweating over software.
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The install base of PS5/Series X/PC is well over 100 million at this point, and many people with a Switch 2 have at least one of the other systems. It can safely be ignored for projects that aren't targeting family audiences.
 
memoryman3 said:
The install base of PS5/Series X/PC is well over 100 million at this point, and many people with a Switch 2 have at least one of the other systems. It can safely be ignored for projects that aren't targeting family audiences.
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Pragmata and RE IX are not family friendly. Keep trying.
 
Punished Miku said:
I'm going to be in a constant state of smug disbelief for the next 8 years when everyone who trashed the Series S nonstop does a 180 so sharply they leave flaming skid marks on the ground, and all line up to proclaim how this is now the ideal path.

Just hilarious how every single one of those vehement arguments against the Series S and how much it was holding back gaming were literally hot air and lies that meant absolutely nothing and didn't contain even a shred of truth. Just years of lies, nonstop, just to console war.
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The "holding back" argument never made much sense to me when cross gen and PC ports exist. The flaw of XSS was always its memory configuration and that's what developers consistently pointed out. When I owned XSS, I thought it was fine except for the storage. If it had 1 TB (that option was available at the time) then I would have kept it.
 
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