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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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The Blue Jihad

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APZonerunner said:
Well, the Donna mind erase is rather beautiful, really. It's a great way to write a companion out, and utterly heartbreaking - and fits her perfectly, as she's the life the Doctor in the modern era has had the largest positive impact on, really.
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Largest positive and negative impact, I think. Donna was better having known the Doctor, and worse after having known him. The recurring theme of the Doctor as the destroyer of worlds is no more clearly punctuated than by Donna's fate. The Doctor has left a lot of death in his wake, but I'd venture that Donna was the first really significant casualty.
 
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The Blue Jihad said:
Largest positive and negative impact, I think. Donna was better having known the Doctor, and worse after having known him. The recurring theme of the Doctor as the destroyer of worlds is no more clearly punctuated than by Donna's fate. The Doctor has left a lot of death in his wake, but I'd venture that Donna was the first really significant casualty.
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Well, in new Who, sure. A lot more in the old show!

The thing about the RTD era companions is that the man always ripped whatever was most valuable to them away from them in the end. Rose chose the Doctor over her own family time and time again, and so she was parted from him in the most painful way possible and placed with her family. Martha valued her family - the very first thing we see her doing is acting as the glue that holds an extremely dysfunctional family together - and the Master's actions and the fact they can't even talk to anybody about it because only they remember it breaks them all, forcing her to leave to help them heal. Donna seems to most value the life she gets, and the sense of purpose, so both are taken from her cruelly, even the memories.

He's a right bastard, basically, bless him. Comparatively the Amy & Rory heartbreak really isn't that profound, I think - they were both talking about stopping their travelling with the Doctor for a year before that, building up to it, so it was going to happen anyway, and we see so little of their family the fact they're separated from them doesn't really matter. They have the thing they value most, each other, at the end, which makes it a comparatively happy ending compared to the others, who all lose whatever they most value.
 
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APZonerunner said:
Well, in new Who, sure. A lot more in the old show!
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Yeah, seriously. Never could get into old Who. Well, most of it. There were a few serials that I had some fun with. Overall, way too clunky and awkward. Probably a had to be there thing.

But, the neck snap from Four was...goddamn.

EDIT: It's like, Doctor WHO? No, Doctor Kevorkian, bitch.
 
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My computer doesn't want to run that page very well.

I heard audio, though, and some sort of slideshow. Very nice.
 
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APZonerunner

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Lovely new interview with Gatiss about An Adventure in Space & Time, which is on tonight. It's funny. One day they'll make a film like this of 2004/5, I'm sure. All that Eccleston shouting match with director drama! There's some camp little boy out there somewhere who is destined to play Russell T Davies! Haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBMNjdbjFZc

The more I listen to him speak in this kind of setting the more I think we're looking at the next showrunner..
 
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Ignis Fatuus

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distantmantra said:
2:50 pm Eastern, 11:50 am Pacific.
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Cool thanks.

APZonerunner said:
Lovely new interview with Gatiss about An Adventure in Space & Time, which is on tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBMNjdbjFZc

The more I listen to him speak in this kind of setting the more I think we're looking at the next showrunner..
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Dunno how I'd feel about that. From one guy whose attention is mostly on Sherlock to another guy whose attention is mostly on Sherlock.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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Think I may bail out of this thread... I've heard various ridiculous GB rumors, but I'm actually pretty in the dark as to how it'll all play out. I'll discuss Adventure in Time & Space though :)
 
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APZonerunner

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acheron_xl said:
It's pretty obvious isn't it? It's as if the small group of industry uberfans from the 90s are all taking turns. Wonder if Cornell is the showrunner after Gatiss.
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To be honest, I think Gatiss is the last of the ones who are viable from that group that used to hang out in that London pub and keep the Doctor Who dream alive of which Moffat, RTD and Gatiss were all such a massive part. I think after that, there's enough New Who history they can have somebody who wasn't part of that but has been a part of the show throughout the post-2005 eras - like Whithouse, or Chibnall, etc.
 
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APZonerunner said:
To be honest, I think Gatiss is the last of the ones who are viable from that group that used to hang out in that London pub and keep the Doctor Who dream alive of which Moffat, RTD and Gatiss were all such a massive part. I think after that, there's enough New Who history they can have somebody who wasn't part of that but has been a part of the show throughout the post-2005 eras - like Whithouse, or Chibnall, etc.
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Just give it to Capaldi as a parting gift when he's done.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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APZonerunner said:
To be honest, I think Gatiss is the last of the ones who are viable from that group that used to hang out in that London pub and keep the Doctor Who dream alive of which Moffat, RTD and Gatiss were all such a massive part.
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I want that documentary, with Moffat being played as a new-age hippy who believes the power of love can solve all their problems...
 
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APZonerunner said:
Lovely new interview with Gatiss about An Adventure in Space & Time, which is on tonight. It's funny. One day they'll make a film like this of 2004/5, I'm sure. All that Eccleston shouting match with director drama! There's some camp little boy out there somewhere who is destined to play Russell T Davies! Haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBMNjdbjFZc

The more I listen to him speak in this kind of setting the more I think we're looking at the next showrunner..
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I clicked the link and there was weird fat man yelling at the screen.... turns out it was an ad.
 
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MasterBalls said:
I want that documentary, with Moffat being played as a new-age hippy who believes the power of love can solve all their problems...
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Yeah, that statement is pretty much true. How one can love doctor who and be cynical as to think that it is untrue is beyond me, honestly.... o_O
 
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Exterminieren

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I've come to terms with Gatiss taking the gig if he wants it. He doesn't excite me the way Moffat did, but his passion is undeniable and, as someone who loves the Moffat era, it'd be redundant for me to be against repetitive tropes by this point.
 
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cereal_killerxx said:
Series 7 was a big improvement. I really hope that Moffat does a great job with this special. Is anyone else really concerned about this?
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I thought S7 was generally better than 6. It didn't hit the same highs (astronaut two-parter, The Doctor's Wife) but also didn't have any of the frequent lows that 6 did. It was just consistently good, if not average, then outright great or bad.

Though I do think The Name of the Doctor was the best episode since The Doctor's Wife.
 
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DiipuSurotu said:
My only complaint about Series 7 is that it totally felt like two series, unlike 6. This two-part series split trend is rubbish.
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... and looks set to end with Capaldi, it seems. Moffatt promises "at least" thirteen episodes in 2014. Unless he somehow manages to film the first 7 of a split in... the next few months, seems like we'll be getting a full series for the first time in nearly half a decade...
 
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To be fair, I can see how someone might think that series 7 was an improvement. All the other series had their highs and lows but 7 was by far the most consistent. Unfortunately it happened to be consistently mediocre.
 
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Exterminieren

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There was no astounding, critically acclaimed episode in series 7. I'd defend The Bells of Saint John, Name of the Doctor, The Crimson Horror or The Power of Three to the last, but there weren't any knock-you-on-your-arse classics.
 
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Hot Coldman

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I dunno, I really liked Hide.

Anyway, I don't really need every series to have a cast-iron classic when we're at Series 7. The show's proven itself as being awesome and relevant, I just want fun romps now. That's my bottom line.
 
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Exterminieren said:
There was no astounding, critically acclaimed episode in series 7. I'd defend The Bells of Saint John, Name of the Doctor, The Crimson Horror or The Power of Three to the last, but there weren't any knock-you-on-your-arse classics.
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I would almost say the Name of The Doctor comes pretty close, but that's mainly because of the hype surrounding the 50th.
 
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Exterminieren said:
There was no astounding, critically acclaimed episode in series 7. I'd defend The Bells of Saint John, Name of the Doctor, The Crimson Horror or The Power of Three to the last, but there weren't any knock-you-on-your-arse classics.
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Kinda like season 15, I think. No standouts, no Fear Hers (or the classic equivalent).
 
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Ignis Fatuus

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The Series 7 episode I liked the most when I first saw it was probably The Bells of St. John. I didn't like A Nightmare in Silver initially, but it grew on me after a couple more watches. I think that might be my current favorite of the bunch.
 
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Exterminieren

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Series 6 is a weird one. The average is lower than any other modern series, but it has what I consider to be three unassailable classics in The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex. The show's never been more inconsistent.

At least series 7 was spared the pain of The Curse of the Black Spot, or The Rebel Flesh.
 
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Six was definitely a bit of a slog (I remember thinking at the time that it sort of felt like homework a lot of the time) and Seven was hurt by the split - it really did feel like two separate seasons, and there was no real thematic link between them, either.

I think I prefer Seven overall, though. But Six absolutely has higher highs.
 
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Symphonia

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Hot Coldman said:
I dunno, I really liked Hide.

Anyway, I don't really need every series to have a cast-iron classic when we're at Series 7. The show's proven itself as being awesome and relevant, I just want fun romps now. That's my bottom line.
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This I can agree with. We've had our explanation of just who Clara is delivered to us on a silver platter and the two-parter opening will give just enough time for Twelve to come into his own - let the rest of the series be nothing more than mind-numbing fun.
 
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