I did, although I felt the Pond's farewell could have been done so much better. They were with the Doctor for two and a half seasons (well, Amy was, at least) and they're gone in a 'blink and you miss it' moment. I can kind of see why they did it - what with blinking being how the Weeping Angels get you - but, yeah, it could have been handled way better than that, and the Doctor seemed to get over it pretty quick.
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peanutbutterlatte
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I can see people not liking the whole "You can never go back to 1930's New York ever... or 1960's New York... or any other time really, because reasons".
He didn't even mention them to Clara... the opposite end of the scale is Tennant post-Rose being Oh my god shut the fuck up mopey, but he could at least have talked about them. Felt cheap.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Series 5 Rory was best Rory.
I didn't even noticed that but, yeah, whether the writers meant for Eleven to seem so cold and heartless or just shut off to avoid the emotional hurt, they could've at least had him mention the Ponds to Clara.
peanutbutterlatte
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"He doesn't like endings" can only stretch so far to me. Man the fuck up.
Bobby Roberts
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My biggest problem with Season 6 is that it started seriously kneecapping Amy as a character. And I started to appreciate Rory a hell of a lot more, but it really felt like that was happening less because Rory was evolving (although he was, and in a way I enjoyed) but more at the EXPENSE of Amy's character.
The worst example being the "divorce" that opened Series seven. The set-up and execution for their breakup was just bullshit, and it absolutely took away from the positive aspects that made Amy a great companion. And not in a way that made her more complex or interesting. It just detracted, period.
The worst example being the "divorce" that opened Series seven. The set-up and execution for their breakup was just bullshit, and it absolutely took away from the positive aspects that made Amy a great companion. And not in a way that made her more complex or interesting. It just detracted, period.
I really like Nightmare in Silver, Matt Smith does such a great job of switching between the Doctor & Mr Clever that it seems effortless for him but would floor other actors.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Angels Take Manhattan would be an absolute classic if the Doctor and River had woken up in that graveyard alone.
As it is... it's still pretty fucking fun. The Angels plan is actually super inventive and it's nice to see a return to the "zap you back in time" Angels we all know and love.
As it is... it's still pretty fucking fun. The Angels plan is actually super inventive and it's nice to see a return to the "zap you back in time" Angels we all know and love.
peanutbutterlatte
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And it leaves Amy and Rory with the distinction of being the only NuWho companions who are actually properly dead. Kinda.
Ignis Fatuus
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Actually I'm still not a fan of the Mr. Clever thing. Matt played it as well as he could but I just didn't like the concept. I like theme park setting, Webley, and Porridge. It's a very unique atmosphere.
That explanation actually works in-universe, though. It wasn't asspull. It's been established that time traveling and changing the same events too much will make it impossible to return. That's why the Time War is time locked in the first place; the Daleks and the Time Lords kept abusing time travel to change the outcomes of battles.
DiipuSurotu
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I liked how Smith kept using Amy's glasses throughout the series though.
I wouldn't say the Doctor got over Amy and Rory quickly.
He locked himself up in the sky in Victorian London for who knows how long between Angels Take Manhattan and The Snowmen. He also kept Amy's glasses.
The Doctor was pretty broken up at seeing their tombstone, but seemed to be in slightly better spirits (temporarily, maybe) after reading Amy's note on the page he tore out of the book.
He locked himself up in the sky in Victorian London for who knows how long between Angels Take Manhattan and The Snowmen. He also kept Amy's glasses.
The Doctor was pretty broken up at seeing their tombstone, but seemed to be in slightly better spirits (temporarily, maybe) after reading Amy's note on the page he tore out of the book.
acheron_xl
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It's OK. I really like The Sun Makers.
Hot Coldman
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Why was Porridge emperor of the galaxy again? That would have made a cool twist if it had been employed in the middle of the episode; while the Doctor is playing chess, have Porridge warp himself and Clara to safety, and have Clara appeal to his bored, exhausted side to be the hero his duty won't allow him to be, rather than nuking the planet.
Should have been a two-parter. I love Mr Clever, but the Doctor's internal battle shouldn't have been the crux of the entire episode. Hell, exploring the emperor's desire to hand off his responsibilities to someone else could have been a cool concept if it was actually in the plot itself, rather than a weird epilogue.
Should have been a two-parter. I love Mr Clever, but the Doctor's internal battle shouldn't have been the crux of the entire episode. Hell, exploring the emperor's desire to hand off his responsibilities to someone else could have been a cool concept if it was actually in the plot itself, rather than a weird epilogue.
It was worse then that, there's nothing to stop the Pond's leaving New York. Or even the Doctor visiting without the TARDIS. A couple of episodes later he gets stranded at the North Pole while the TARDIS is at the South Pole, why not drop in to Manhattan on your trip southwards.
Or he could send them a message to meet up in, like, Cardiff or somewhere if he really can't go anywhere near New York.
I can handle 'time travel just works that way' but that was the height of Timey-Wimey bullshit. The only way he could never see them again would be if he was prevented from travelling to Earth for the entire second half of the 20th century, which, spoilers, he does a lot.
They should have just decided to adopt a kid and chose to stop travelling for good.
He got over them in the space of the credits and the title sequence.
It would've been nice to see a bit more 'distraught Doctor' on-screen.
I thought A Good Man Goes to War was the same kind of rushed, concept-over-narrative nonsense that Moffat wrote into The Wedding of River Song - maybe not AS bad, but not a good episode much less a classic.
I think I have to re-watch God Complex. Everyone loves that ep but I can't remember a single thing about it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was falling asleep trying to watch that one, so maybe a revisit is in order.
Getting a bit niche now, but Paul Hartnoll of Orbital has posted a remix of the Sea Devils theme that was supposed to be on a Doctor Who remix album which never materialised.
https://soundcloud.com/orbital-4/sea-devils-remix
https://soundcloud.com/orbital-4/sea-devils-remix
acheron_xl
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AGMGTW seemed weird at the time, since it was supposed to be the Doctor's lowest point (which is clearly false) and had a collection of his best allies, most of which had never been seen before. Seems less strange in hindsight since Vastra, Jenny and Strax keep getting parts.
God Complex is great. Rita was one of the best non-companions ever.
Quick Mustard
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29 minutes until An Adventure in Space and Time!
and then a 5 minute exclusive documentry at William Hartnell himself.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a532931/doctor-who-bbc-two-to-air-william-hartnell-documentary-tonight.html
and then a 5 minute exclusive documentry at William Hartnell himself.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a532931/doctor-who-bbc-two-to-air-william-hartnell-documentary-tonight.html
SpacePirate Ridley
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I need this to appear soon on the internets. It seems like a class act of that era and I will love it.
peanutbutterlatte
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Yeah that was kind of shit. It was almost as if Moffatt was trying to pull a Journey's End whilst realizing he hadn't introduced any memorable characters apart from Amy, Rory & River.
"Oh look, that pirate and inconceivable 1940s space pilot... wooo :\"
Should've got Captain Harkness back. Damn that US Torchwood abomination.
JonathanEx
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Yeah I'm watching it now, it's not so bad in retrospect but yes - I forgot until half way through we only met Vastra/Jenny/Strax etc here - which would have improved it.
Oh and River's BULLSHIT of the Doctor's greatest and his darkest hour, what overblown tripe. If she knows the Doctor so much, how would she put this above, THE TIME WAR. Or any other actual finale. And her showing up with "WELL THEN SOLDIER, HOW GOES THE DAY". No need to be a wanker reading poems, speak like a normal person.
But I am liking S6/S7 more on rewatch.
Oh and River's BULLSHIT of the Doctor's greatest and his darkest hour, what overblown tripe. If she knows the Doctor so much, how would she put this above, THE TIME WAR. Or any other actual finale. And her showing up with "WELL THEN SOLDIER, HOW GOES THE DAY". No need to be a wanker reading poems, speak like a normal person.
But I am liking S6/S7 more on rewatch.
acheron_xl
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I think it's a bit overrated, actually.
Not a bad episode in it. Even WWII Daleks and Silurian double weren't too bad. And it had some true greats like 11th Hour, Amy's Choice, Vincent and the Doctor and the Pandorica Opens.
Best Season of NuWho 100%.
I think you're overrated.
My personal rating of the NuWho series.
1. Season 5
2. Season 2
3. Season 4
4. Season 7
5. Season 1
6. Season 3
7. Season 6
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I kind of liked Victory of the Daleks. The Silurian stuff was just terrible though.
I'd say the best Series was 4. Midnight. Turn Left. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. The Waters of Mars. The End of Time.
What other season can compare to that lineup? RTD went out with a fucking bang.
Yup would definitely agree with this. Best stories and best Doctor & companion duo
DiipuSurotu
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Angels Take Manhattan would have been perfect if they had filmed the epilogue with Rory's dad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWU6XL9xI4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWU6XL9xI4k
acheron_xl
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4 > 3 > 5 > 6 >7 > 2 > 1
And about series 5. The opener is legendary, the finale 2 parter is great, Amy's Choice is awesome, Vincent and the Doctor is as moving a character piece you'll ever find in the Moffat era, but I think the Angels 2 parter is a bit overrated, as is The Lodger (which is not bad, but not great.) The rest are filler.
Future Foundation
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People liked Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone enough to overrate it? I thought most people hated that two parter.
Also, there seems to be a theme in Series 5 and 6 where mostly average/decent two-parters get big game-changing endings or cliffhangers. The Silurian two-parter? Rory dies, gets absorbed by the Crack and erased, the Doctor finds out that the cause of the Crack is his TARDIS blowing up. The Ganger two-parter? Amy's pregnant, been kidnapped by the Silence and the Amy we've been traveling with was a Ganger.
peanutbutterlatte
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The Flesh two-parter was well below average for me. It was essentially the "No! Shoot him! He's the real ____!" trope for two episodes.... and the finale couldn't even be a two-parter. Insane.
acheron_xl
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I just watched it like 2 days ago, and I think it's fantastic. Don't get the hate at all.
JonathanEx
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Who's watching Adventure in Space and Time?
Bobby Roberts
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If they're watching it, hopefully they're WATCHING it, and not pseudo-watching/livetweeting/facebooking/instagramming while it's on.
JonathanEx
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Quick Mustard
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Me, and so far, its fucking amazing!
JonathanEx
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Pap pap pap!
Bobby Roberts
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I remember hearing about an unfilmed ending and thinking "Yeah, but most deleted scenes are deleted for a reason. I'm curious, but it was probably the right call."
Then I saw the storyboard animation and I was like "Goddammit."
Broken Joystick
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Quick Mustard
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Thats fantastic!
Agreed, but well worth it for two Matt Smiths playing off each other.
Fred Norris
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Bobby Roberts
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I like that when you die, you regenerate into the next doctor.
Made me sort of nervous that I started with 8.
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