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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff
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A random thought just sprung to mind, a component of the whole Impossible Astronaut storyline which hasn't really been talked about: Canton is involved. At least to some extent, because he's aware of what will happen that day and needs to go talk to Amy, Rory and River.
So how does Old Canton mix in to everything that's coming? Or is it going to be more Young Canton, with the Doc signing off with "Oh, and in about 50 years' time, can you do me a favour?"
Either way, more Canton makes me happy. He was great.
So how does Old Canton mix in to everything that's coming? Or is it going to be more Young Canton, with the Doc signing off with "Oh, and in about 50 years' time, can you do me a favour?"
Either way, more Canton makes me happy. He was great.
mclem said:
More Canton would be awesome, he was great. I'm worried that it's all going to be crammed in to the last 42 minutes of the series and that won't really work.
What's with the apple (Edit: fruit) in The God Complex and the rubik's cubes? Is there a bigger thing going on here (ala the two jackets in Flesh and Stone)
EleventhDoctor
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I've read that too. In The Eleventh Hour, he hates apples. In The God Complex he picks one up and munched it happily.andylsun said:
In Night Terrors he was perplexed by the Rubiks Cube , but in The God Complex he picked one up and solved it.
In The Impoosible Astronaut he introduced River as "Mrs. Robinson", but in Let's Kill Hitler, River says "Hello, Benjamin." and he has no idea what she's talking about.
He's also switching coats and there have been a few shots of his shoes since The Ganger 2-parter.
The Technomancer
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...well now I'm hyped.MDavis360 said:
EleventhDoctor
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It's probally just coincidence or red herrings but it could be something.The_Technomancer said:
KibblesBits
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MDavis360 said:
Hmn...
Seraphis Cain
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I noticed the Rubik's cube but didn't think anything of it.
The apple, though, as soon as he took a bite I thought "Wait what the shit".
Something's definitely up.
The apple, though, as soon as he took a bite I thought "Wait what the shit".
Something's definitely up.
EleventhDoctor
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rollingstart
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The God Complex was really, really good. I thought since the second half started, Who had been slightly off. But wow, I really liked this episode.
Android18a
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So, are they going to throw us a multiple-doctor curve ball here? I hadn't really picked up on much of this stuff, but now I'm thinking of re-watching the eps just to catch hints like the shoes and stuff. Also, remember the mirror thing? There's been a lot of mirror play this half of the season too, particularly in confonting the minotaur in the latest episode. I don't think we've had an ep without a carefully placed on screen mirror in yet.
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ZombieFred
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That's a brilliant point on the cube and apple part. That's definitley something on more than meets the eye. But I've got a curious theory. Could of there perhaps been another Doctor Ganger than we know about perhaps?
Maybe not a Doctor ganger but maybe just a slightly older (200 years?) Doctor, who (lol) keeps swapping with present day Doctor for some bizarre reason.
This would of course imply that he is fucking with his own time stream deliberately, something that (off the top of my head) he seems to be against.
EDIT: Seems I'm a member now, y'boy.
This would of course imply that he is fucking with his own time stream deliberately, something that (off the top of my head) he seems to be against.
EDIT: Seems I'm a member now, y'boy.
The Apple & the Rubiks Cube & the coat thing have blown my mind.
Between the Ganger doctor and establishing that you can change your future with for-warning and a stubborn attitude, they've given themselves so many ways out of the doctors death. Which is great I suppose because it was never about whether or not he would die, just how they'd get out of it.
Between the Ganger doctor and establishing that you can change your future with for-warning and a stubborn attitude, they've given themselves so many ways out of the doctors death. Which is great I suppose because it was never about whether or not he would die, just how they'd get out of it.
This is my guess - there was a doctor switch in The Girl Who Waited - The doctor said he couldn't go into the facility as it would kill him within 24 hours, but then the tardis ends up in the facility at the end. Perhaps the 'older' doctor with only 24 hours to live is the one who dies in The Impossible Astronaut and is a second time stream.
Also, Amy had a reaction when the doctor picked up the apple in The God Complex, you can see it in the shot from high up. She raised her hand to her face, but in the next shot is normal - wonder what was chopped out.
Also, Amy had a reaction when the doctor picked up the apple in The God Complex, you can see it in the shot from high up. She raised her hand to her face, but in the next shot is normal - wonder what was chopped out.
Here's an interesting article thats in todays Guardian. It has DW writers responding to criticism that the show has become too complicated.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/sep/20/doctor-who-too-complicated
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/sep/20/doctor-who-too-complicated
andylsun said:
I assumed that he was okay since he never actually *left* the tardis, just poked his head out. But you might be onto something there.
We *did* actually see Ganger Doctor fall apart when he killed the Ganger Beast, but it's quite possible that there was either a second Ganger Doctor or that pile of flesh is in some way reconstitutible.
TechSamurai
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I like the idea of an alternate Doctor/Ganger in "The God Complex", but wouldn't that undercut some of the emotional impact of his talk with Amy, and the final scene with her?
That being said the apple eating and cube solving was very deliberate, IMHO.
That being said the apple eating and cube solving was very deliberate, IMHO.
Dr Zhivago
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The Doctorganger does talk about surviving just before he sonics the monster.
And Moffat has said on Twitter that as far as he's concerned, River & Tennant had various off-screen meetings.
And Moffat has said on Twitter that as far as he's concerned, River & Tennant had various off-screen meetings.
bengraven
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Speaking of mirrors, Reddit has a list of all the mirrors so far this season.
http://i.imgur.com/7K4Mj.jpg
Pretty obvious mirrors are an important part. My suspicion is that Moffat is teasing a "mirror" Doctor. Possibly the ganger, which like was said above, is alive. The second before his "death", the Doc Ganger told the other one "there is a way to survive you know" or something to that effect.
http://i.imgur.com/7K4Mj.jpg
Pretty obvious mirrors are an important part. My suspicion is that Moffat is teasing a "mirror" Doctor. Possibly the ganger, which like was said above, is alive. The second before his "death", the Doc Ganger told the other one "there is a way to survive you know" or something to that effect.
Maybe what's going to happen is Amy and Rory will come outside of their house one day to greet a tardis, only for Amy, Rory & the doctor to appear, and we'll find out that we've actually been following 2 full sets of cast members the whole time and only the doctors knew.
lunarworks
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Some good stuff.Clegg said:
The Guardian said:
EleventhDoctor
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Awesome quote by Douglas Adams.lunarworks said:
infiniteloop
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The other week someone somewhere linked to a fan made trailer for the whole of new who on youtube, any one have that link?
Subterranean
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Thought this was a pretty awesome mash up of "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" trailer and the recent episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdE9pf2i7pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdE9pf2i7pg
brucewaynegretzky
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lunarworks said:
Read the article and it was interesting and made a lot of really relevant points. However I think it misses the biggest part of the problem with Moffat. His stories aren't too complicated. Anyone who thinks that should take elementary school creative writing to catch up to speed with the rest of the world. The much bigger problem is that his "arcs" make the smaller individual stories seem much less significant. If I'm just waiting for payoff on the "big" story it lessens the appreciation I have for the smaller story. The awesome thing about Who imo before Moffat got there was I felt like I was going on an adventure every episode and had a new one coming as soon as I started the next episode. Since taking over the show I feel like Moffat has accomplished that feeling very few times. Too often the "main" storyline is too pervasive and it wrecks the smaller story. For instance, with Smith's Dalek episode I was too busy trying to figure out how Amy didn't remember the Daleks to really appreciate the smaller story. The Impossible Astronaut had an amazing story that got horribly overwhelmed by setting up a larger plot. The problem with creating such "big" adventures over the course of the season is I feel like I'm getting a smaller NUMBER of adventures with the Doctor.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I like both ways really. I like a series to have an over all arc. Though the next series could have like a 3 or 2 part ending story and everything else just be adventures.
The Technomancer
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Yeah but in the past we'd also get like two-to-three times as many episodes per series. In that sense all the 4-episode arcs really felt like super long standalones, as opposed to a subplot woven through 13 episodes.bengraven said:
infiniteloop
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bengraven said:
Supposedly late 2012.
EleventhDoctor
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bengraven said:
I believe those episodes were also 40 minutes long.
I am relieved to hear Moffet say that next year will be less "arc-intensive".
I like the long story arcs quite a bit-but I would prefer a greater number of standalones...it gives more time for the smaller moments. For example I would have loved to have heard the conversation Rory and The Doctor had in the TARDIS immediately after The Doctor "melted" Ganger Amy.
EleventhDoctor
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bengraven said:
I'd love more episodes too. It blows my mind that they spend like 9 months out of the year filming the show. :O
bengraven
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infiniteloop said:
DoctorWho said:
Well that's better than nothing and they better not break it up.
I appreciate that Doctor Who is one of the prettiest, well shot shows on TV, especially compared to the first season of the revival, but I would at least like more.
MDavis360 said:
There's a lot of things I feel should be onscreen but aren't.
1) The first story arc felt like it should be 3 - 4 episodes instead of 2. It should have been: Impossible Astronaut, Ep 2 being them out exploring America, Day of the Moon, Ep 4 being them trying to find the fucking baby.
2) End of GMGTW: the Doctor leaves and River has just told Amy and Rory that she is Melody. Fade to black and next time we see them, Amy and Rory are driving through a field.
Okay, a major character you consider a friend has just told you she's your daughter. You have no way home except River's time device so does River just go silent and take them back immediately, then disappear?
No. Because they have a LOT to talk about. They would want to know what River remembers, they would investigate, they wouldn't let her leave without answering questions, they would want to find a way to reconcile I suppose.
I mean, what, they're so shocked that they're speechless all the way home and River just says "good bye you two people who I just said are my parents, have a good one".
I mean, that gap is the biggest mystery to me.
EleventhDoctor
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I feel the same way. I love the storyline-but I just need more of the the "blanks" filled in!bengraven said:
JonathanEx
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It doesn't make it completely better, but there was the prequel: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jthfd
That's one of the major issues I've had with the story since the reveal, and why I initially looked forward to the standalone episodes (of which have been extremely hit or miss of late). The show would probably have Amy and Rory sitting uncomfortably in their flat, staring at River, who would smile at them, say "Spoilers" and warp back to future-jail.bengraven said:
It doesn't fill in a lot of the gaps you wanted though, just that the Doctor takes it really hard and Amy/Rory have shit to do while he's off searching for River/timey wimey-ingbengraven said:
Android18a
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I was just thinking of another theme running this series. Things pretending to be other things. For example just in the last few eps... Melody secretly living as a childhood friend, the boy who was actually an alien living under false history, the prison ship disguised as a hotel, even to an extent the "holodecks" of the time streams place. It's all things appearing to be other things. Maybe it's just a plot device being a tad overused but it seems to be in a heck of a lot of eps.
Autons hiding as Romans? A floor of a building that doesn't exist secretly hiding a tardis, prisoner zero shapeshifting, the gangers, the fish aliens as vampires, the secret tardis hiding place in that black matter box at area 51, im sure there's a lot more too.
Yeah it probably is just a case of it being convenient for the story, but I still wonder.
Autons hiding as Romans? A floor of a building that doesn't exist secretly hiding a tardis, prisoner zero shapeshifting, the gangers, the fish aliens as vampires, the secret tardis hiding place in that black matter box at area 51, im sure there's a lot more too.
Yeah it probably is just a case of it being convenient for the story, but I still wonder.
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