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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
It will be revealed that Kovarian's true boss is
The Meddling Monk

No... but one can dream.
 
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mrklaw

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the whole series we've actually been following two sets of Doctor & Friends, one in each of two dreamlord dreams. At the end they finally wake up and find Bobby Ewing in the shower.
 
The Elite

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If there is no season next year, this could be the start of the ramp up to the 50th anniversary.

Fuck, I can't imagine a year without Who. That hurts my brain.
 
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DoctorWho said:
Fuck, I can't imagine a year without Who. That hurts my brain.
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It's pretty easy to imagine a year without Who.
Just think of the 16 or so between McCoy and Eccles where the only thing in between was the TV movie. Makes one year pretty easy to bear.
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Box of Bunnies said:
It's pretty easy to imagine a year without Who.
Just think of the 16 or so between McCoy and Eccles where the only thing in between was the TV movie. Makes one year pretty easy to bear.
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Good point. But now that we have it back on a regular basis, it hurts.

Hopefully they announce specials if this happens.
 
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infiniteloop said:
Doctor Who Magazine have said it's back in the Autumn 2012 after the 2011 Christmas episode, but they've not said if it'll be split again.
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My friend said that they had it listed as 2013. I haven't seen the mag myself though. That's good news.
 
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Going to be a long wait after the Christmas special, but we've all been through this before previously with the time waiting between a season finale and a Christmas special.

WE CAN DO IT GUYS.
 
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Quick said:
Going to be a long wait after the Christmas special, but we've all been through this before previously with the time waiting between a season finale and a Christmas special.

WE CAN DO IT GUYS.
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Plus I'll have other awesome shows. Game of Thrones from April, Community from September, um, whatever else is on

Yeah this is going to be hard
 
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DoctorWho said:
Then why would
Eye-Patch lady have one herself? The Doctor wouldn't give her one.
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Daleks had a form of Tardis technology in a Tennant episode, didn't they? Did the Doctor give it to them as well?

A girl recently asked me about the TV shows I watched. I mentioned Doctor Who which she hadn't heard of and asked me more about it.

Then I realized mentioning DW was a really, really bad idea, because you can't explain this show with a sentence or three in the middle of a conversation. My choices were either casually saying something about a face-changing dude flying around in a telephone box and moving on (looking like a crazy person by doing so) or sitting with a pretty girl and only talking about myself for way too long.
 
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Green Scar said:
Plus I'll have other awesome shows. Game of Thrones from April, Community from September, um, whatever else is on

Yeah this is going to be hard
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Despite having other shows, not having Doctor Who is still quite the challenge.

Ventilaator said:
Daleks had a form of Tardis technology in a Tennant episode, didn't they? Did the Doctor give it to them as well?

A girl recently asked me about the TV shows I watched. I mentioned Doctor Who which she hadn't heard of and asked me more about it.

Then I realized mentioning DW was a really, really bad idea, because you can't explain this show with a sentence or three in the middle of a conversation. My choices were either casually saying something about a face-changing dude flying around in a telephone box and moving on (looking like a crazy person by doing so) or sitting with a pretty girl and only talking about myself for way too long.
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I tried explaining to a couple of friends what the show is about. I ended up deviating from a general synopsis to going specific that I ended up turning them one of them off from watching it. My other friend decided to check it out, and he instantly loved it. He got our other friends to watch the show by telling them to watch Blink.
 
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Green Scar said:
If Community doesn't make it to S4, it may make the wait for Doctor Who's return nigh-on impossible.
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Isn't Moffatt suppose to be working on more Sherlocke? I don't follow the greater BBC goings on, but I do recall hearing of more when it first aired.
 
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Spiffy_1st said:
What? WHAT!????

That's almost as crazy as never hearing of The Simpsons.
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If you live in the UK, then sure. I don't, and I've never met anyone in real life who has heard anything about Doctor Who.
 
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Spiffy_1st said:
What? WHAT!????

That's almost as crazy as never hearing of The Simpsons.
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Well no, not really. The Simpsons have been an on-air phenomenon for the last twenty years, whereas Doctor Who was alternately a weird geeky show on its last legs, something with no television presence at all for a large majority of that time, or a neat British family show enjoying a resurgence in the last seven years.

It's obviously a great (and historically important) show, but to pretend it even comes close to The Simpsons for people around or under 30, especially those of us outside the UK, is delusional at best.
 
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Box of Bunnies said:
It's obviously a great (and historically important) show, but to pretend it even comes close to The Simpsons for people around or under 30, especially those of us outside the UK, is delusional at best.
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I didn't know about it until my co-worker introduced me to it 2 years ago. I live in the US.
 
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gabbo said:
Isn't Moffatt suppose to be working on more Sherlocke? I don't follow the greater BBC goings on, but I do recall hearing of more when it first aired.
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I think they were working on Sherlock earlier this year, or sometime during the summer.

I may be mistaken, but I remember reading an interview with Peter Jackson and he said that he was able to attend SDCC because Martin Freeman had to do Sherlock for a few weeks in between filming The Hobbit.

Moffat also said on Twitter that Sherlock isn't affecting Doctor Who.
 
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8bit

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The_Technomancer said:
Its so crazy to me that episodes have been permanently lost...I'm just not used to living in a society where everything can't be backed up constantly.
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They're not lost, but we don't yet have the equipment to fire into space to collect the broadcast radiation as it passes Proxima Centauri and send it back.
 
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8bit said:
They're not lost, but we don't yet have the equipment to fire into space to collect the broadcast radiation as it passes Proxima Centauri and send it back.
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Centauri's too close. You'd have to get out to Arcturus or so.
 
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So I just caught on TV my first episode ever of this show. The Pandorica double episode. I just wanna know if the series is as FUCKING AWESOME as this? (And why does it air here on a obscure channel no one cares about?)

Edit : Oh nice OP, thanks.
 
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Shahadan said:
So I just caught on TV my first episode ever of this show. The Pandorica double episode. I just wanna know if the series is as FUCKING AWESOME as this? (And why does it air here on a obscure channel no one cares about?)
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You just watched the Season Finale of Series 5/31. Before you do anything else I recommend you watch the 5th season from the very beginning.

Its fine to jump in from there because the first episode serves as an introduction to the new Doctor and his companions. If you thought the Pandorica Opens was amazing then watch the entirety of series 5 from the beginning. There's a 2 parter in the middle of the season thats even better.

The Finale will take on a new meaning after you have watched the entire season too. It will also melt your face and explode your brain.

Edit: If you do watch the entire season I suggest you search for the Season 3/29 episode called Blink. It will give proper context to the amazing 2 parter in season. Dont worry about a different actor playing the Doctor either. They change every few seasons.
 
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Clegg said:
You just watched the Season Finale of Series 5/31. Before you do anything else I recommend you watch the 5th season from the very beginning.

Its fine to jump in from there because the first episode serves as an introduction to the new Doctor and his companions. If you thought the Pandorica Opens was amazing then watch the entirety of series 5 from the beginning. There's a 2 parter in the middle of the season thats even better.

The Finale will take on a new meaning after you have watched the entire season too. It will also melt your face and explode your brain.
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Yes that's what I was thinking to do. It's amazing because the entire time the episode seemed to tell me "You should have watched the series earlier, fool"
I'm kicking myself a bit right now as I really really love those kinds of finale.
Anyway, off to find the previous ones. Thanks !
 
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Shahadan said:
Yes that's what I was thinking to do. It's amazing because the entire time the episode seemed to tell me "You should have watched the series earlier, fool"
I'm kicking myself a bit right now as I really really love those kinds of finale.
Anyway, off to find the previous ones. Thanks !
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Excellent. Another one joins the fold. The finale was brilliant was brilliant because it called back to certain events in previous episodes that make your jaw drop when its put in front of you near the end.

The entire season is brilliant because it builds upon the relationship the Doctor has with Amy and why they care for each other so much.

Theres actually 3 episodes you should watch apart from Season 5. 'Blink' from Season 3 and a 2 parter called Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.

The 2 parter is very important if you go on to watch season 6.
 
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So guys i just finished Season 1 of the reboot (9th/series 5) and im FUCKING HOOKED! so this was what all of tumblr was clamoring about. its genius!
 
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So, something's always bugged me. Ah, hell, a few things, actually.

1)
The Astronaut. If "Space 1969" basically happens a good 50 years before the Doctor is killed at Lake Silencio, how can River possibly be in the suit in 2011? Her younger self ripped herself out of it in 1969, and unless River somehow gets kidnapped now while she's archaeologist...ing across time and space...how can River be in the suit...and consequently how can River kill the Doctor there?

That leads to...

2)
If River is actually in the suit, isn't that going to mean Lake Silencio happens before Space 1969, relative to the suit's own timeline? So Young River-in-Suit kills Doctor, then gets pulled back to 1969, where she escapes from it, goes to NYC, eventually regens into Mels, then River-Proper, who then witnesses the Doctor's murder at the Lake...again.

Still not sure how/why that would happen, though, especially if The Silence are pure scavengers and needed humanity to build their own suit.

THEN AGAIN, they were constructing a rudimentary TARDIS, so...perhaps time travel isn't quite outside their control.

3)
The Doctor's death at Silencio is bugging the crap out of me, entirely because of that 200-years-older line. Sure, it's got to be a red herring, but still...Doc's been getting chased for 200 years. And chased by what? The Silence-Aliens? The Silence-Order? What would want to kill him at the lake? I suppose it could still be Silence-Aliens, since he still would have wrecked their shit in '69...but they just wouldn't have been able to get their revenge until 2011.

And actually, come to think of it, if humanity at that point has been killing them for years without knowing it, it'd make sense to send their assassin ahead in time to kill the doctor, and automatically return when the job is complete (a TARDIS rubber-band?).

Now that I think about that more and more, it does make sense. By the time we see Impossible Astronaut, the Doctor has already screwed over The Silence in '69. So they're already--or they've already been--trying to kill him. We're just seeing the effect before the cause. Timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly.

Plus, this reversed kind of timeline for the suit itself actually parallels that of River's mostly backwards interactions with the Doctor: IF she does in fact kill him there, even the assassination takes place in a horridly backwards manner.

4) Getting back to that
200 year thing
.

If the Doctor
starts regenerating between energy blasts, what does that mean? Is it the actual Doctor, OR in the span of that 200 years, did he figure out a way to imbue a Ganger with basic regenerative abilities?

Though, and I'm sure this has been discussed before, River is still in her regenerative phase when she gets shot in Germany. Ten is still in his regenerative phase when his hand gets sliced off. Ten also took a glancing blow from a Dalek's energy beam, used some regenergy (haha) to fix the damage, then channeled the rest of it into his old hand.

Sure, those are conventional weaponry and low-power kinetic projectiles, but still, I can't help but wonder:

If a regenerating TimeLord can just shrug off damage like that, and control it to where he or she can target specific body parts, why wouldn't Eleven be able to do the same?

Unless it's actually a Ganger with limited regenerative abilities.

And sure, Canton says that's most certainly the Doctor, but...

RULE 1. The Doctor lies.

So yeah. Thoughts? Am I crazy?
 
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yencid said:
So guys i just finished Season 1 of the reboot (9th/series 5) and im FUCKING HOOKED! so this was what all of tumblr was clamoring about. its genius!
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I'm surprised Tumblr hasn't spoiled you on the entire series.
 
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survivor said:
I'm surprised Tumblr hasn't spoiled you on the entire series.
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Thankfully no. I only see the raving awesomeness and not spoilers. If they do spoil the people i follow Tag their posts as spoilers
 
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The Blue Jihad said:
So, something's always bugged me. Ah, hell, a few things, actually.

1)
The Astronaut. If "Space 1969" basically happens a good 50 years before the Doctor is killed at Lake Silencio, how can River possibly be in the suit in 2011? Her younger self ripped herself out of it in 1969, and unless River somehow gets kidnapped now while she's archaeologist...ing across time and space...how can River be in the suit...and consequently how can River kill the Doctor there?

That leads to...

2)
If River is actually in the suit, isn't that going to mean Lake Silencio happens before Space 1969, relative to the suit's own timeline? So Young River-in-Suit kills Doctor, then gets pulled back to 1969, where she escapes from it, goes to NYC, eventually regens into Mels, then River-Proper, who then witnesses the Doctor's murder at the Lake...again.

Still not sure how/why that would happen, though, especially if The Silence are pure scavengers and needed humanity to build their own suit.

THEN AGAIN, they were constructing a rudimentary TARDIS, so...perhaps time travel isn't quite outside their control.

3)
The Doctor's death at Silencio is bugging the crap out of me, entirely because of that 200-years-older line. Sure, it's got to be a red herring, but still...Doc's been getting chased for 200 years. And chased by what? The Silence-Aliens? The Silence-Order? What would want to kill him at the lake? I suppose it could still be Silence-Aliens, since he still would have wrecked their shit in '69...but they just wouldn't have been able to get their revenge until 2011.

And actually, come to think of it, if humanity at that point has been killing them for years without knowing it, it'd make sense to send their assassin ahead in time to kill the doctor, and automatically return when the job is complete (a TARDIS rubber-band?).

Now that I think about that more and more, it does make sense. By the time we see Impossible Astronaut, the Doctor has already screwed over The Silence in '69. So they're already--or they've already been--trying to kill him. We're just seeing the effect before the cause. Timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly.

Plus, this reversed kind of timeline for the suit itself actually parallels that of River's mostly backwards interactions with the Doctor: IF she does in fact kill him there, even the assassination takes place in a horridly backwards manner.

4) Getting back to that
200 year thing
.

If the Doctor
starts regenerating between energy blasts, what does that mean? Is it the actual Doctor, OR in the span of that 200 years, did he figure out a way to imbue a Ganger with basic regenerative abilities?

Though, and I'm sure this has been discussed before, River is still in her regenerative phase when she gets shot in Germany. Ten is still in his regenerative phase when his hand gets sliced off. Ten also took a glancing blow from a Dalek's energy beam, used some regenergy (haha) to fix the damage, then channeled the rest of it into his old hand.

Sure, those are conventional weaponry and low-power kinetic projectiles, but still, I can't help but wonder:

If a regenerating TimeLord can just shrug off damage like that, and control it to where he or she can target specific body parts, why wouldn't Eleven be able to do the same?

Unless it's actually a Ganger with limited regenerative abilities.

And sure, Canton says that's most certainly the Doctor, but...

RULE 1. The Doctor lies.

So yeah. Thoughts? Am I crazy?
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I'd think you may be missing out on the part where James Cordon comes back and (one would assume) the TARDIS from The Lodger / The Silence episodes comes back and somehow plays into the finale?

Guess we'll see tomorrow =D
 
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Gez said:
What Doctor Who books are worth reading?

This one has 5 out of 5 with 6 reviews. Just wondering if they are fanboys/fangirls or not
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1849902380/
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Dead of Winter's meant to be quite decent, but if you want good Eleventh Doctor novels, I'd recommend Borrowed Time or Touched by an Angel. Michael Moorcock wrote The Coming of the Terraphiles last year, but YMMV on that one.

Generally the novels are of a reasonably good quality, with some terrific ones which could stand tall with the best of the series. If you're willing to dip back into the Ninth and Tenth Doctors, I'd recommend Only Human from the Ninth (written by the writer of the Lodger and this weekend's episode, and featuring Captain Jack having a flatshare with a caveman) and Beautiful Chaos from the Tenth (a really interesting look at Donna's family dynamic, as well as a decent alien threat). Keep an eye out for stuff like Forever Autumn, Wishing Well and The Eyeless as well.
 
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Box of Bunnies said:
Well no, not really. The Simpsons have been an on-air phenomenon for the last twenty years, whereas Doctor Who was alternately a weird geeky show on its last legs, something with no television presence at all for a large majority of that time, or a neat British family show enjoying a resurgence in the last seven years.

It's obviously a great (and historically important) show, but to pretend it even comes close to The Simpsons for people around or under 30, especially those of us outside the UK, is delusional at best.
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That's true, but if you are in the UK. Not having heard of Doctor Who - and not just because of the last seven years - would be physically impossible, more so than not having heard of The Simpsons.
 
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Again, another prominent mirror in this episode, and a thing that wasn't what it looked like (
lift teleporter
).

Incidentally, this is my favourite episode of the season now.
 
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Jex

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Man, that episode was surprisingly great. How they've handled all of the insights into the Doctor's character this season is really special.

I'm glad we've got past the schmaltzy, sentimental and painfully drawn out character finales of the RTD era. Dear god.
 
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I enjoyed the episode, the Dr was being his crazy self without Amy there to ground him. Maybe next series we can have an episode with no companions/partners and just have the Doctor just by himself going about what constitutes a normal day in his life.


I am now ready for the finale, bring it on.
 
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