I wonder if, presuming that this whole reveal about two Doctors going around is going to happen, they will montage all the differences that everyone's been picking up on. I think the big ones pointed out here are the apple, the rubix cube, and The Graduate references. Or maybe those will just exist as little facts for fans to enjoy rather than being given any spotlight.
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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff
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Hot Coldman
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Dalek/Cybermen smack talk was pretty amazing, aha
Hot Coldman
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OMG Aero said:
Oh yeah, I forgot he invited himself.
lunarworks said:
After he dropped off Amy and Rory he took his 200 year journey that lead to Closing time.
edit: here is a prequel to the wedding of river song but it does have spoilers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5jfLakwuls
Seven Force
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I really have to wonder how this'll (mostly) get wrapped up in a single episode.
EleventhDoctor
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yencid said:
That was one of the best moments of that era. Dalek snakiness.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Lovely episode. Cyberman plot was a little flimsy but heavily marginalized for maximum effect. I love Craig, everything else worked for me.
APZonerunner
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Really enjoyed that episode. Looking forward to next week in a very big way!
I also watched The Waters of Mars last night on a whim - what a great episode that is. One of Tennant's best. The way the character of his Doctor of thinking of himself as a messiah of sorts breaks down and then builds back up again is superb. With him having faced it head-on in both his series finales, I'll be really interested to see how Matt's Doctor is written to handle it when it actually comes. More gracefully than Tennant's Doctor, I'm guessing.
I also watched The Waters of Mars last night on a whim - what a great episode that is. One of Tennant's best. The way the character of his Doctor of thinking of himself as a messiah of sorts breaks down and then builds back up again is superb. With him having faced it head-on in both his series finales, I'll be really interested to see how Matt's Doctor is written to handle it when it actually comes. More gracefully than Tennant's Doctor, I'm guessing.
I enjoyed that episode a lot. Craig is a good character and I wouldn't mind James Corden coming back next season for another episode.
Focus on this was definitely more on Craig and the Doctor than on the Cybermen, and I don't mind that at all. After the seriousness of the past couple of episodes, it's good to have something light and easy to digest once in a while.
I'm intrigued at how they'll be able to fit everything within 45 minutes next week. Should be fun to watch, nonetheless.
Time to watch Confidential!
Focus on this was definitely more on Craig and the Doctor than on the Cybermen, and I don't mind that at all. After the seriousness of the past couple of episodes, it's good to have something light and easy to digest once in a while.
I'm intrigued at how they'll be able to fit everything within 45 minutes next week. Should be fun to watch, nonetheless.
Time to watch Confidential!
I had a lot of fun with the episode. Smith did an amazing job and his interactions with Corden was great to watch. They really work well off each other.
Plus, as short as their appearance was it was awesome to see the real Cybermen again. I squeed a little when one said
Hopefully they get another episode where they're a legitimate threat, like The Invasion, Tomb, or Earthshock.
Plus, as short as their appearance was it was awesome to see the real Cybermen again. I squeed a little when one said
"you belong to us!"
APZonerunner
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BatDan said:
I think in general there's been a huge issue with the Cybermen and Daleks being credible threats since each of their first episodes in the new series. Well, actually - Parting of the Ways had really threatening Daleks, too. Shame, though. Hope they can do more than that.
Mama Robotnik
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That might still be my favourite episode.bengraven said:
Mock if old but here's a clip from the Special Edition of the Third Doctor story "Day of the Daleks" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXUaeSkqhiE
For those that want to compare, it's from the fourth episode.
For those that want to compare, it's from the fourth episode.
EleventhDoctor
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Not sure how I felt about tonight's episode. It was pretty silly-especially
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The ending was pretty cool, and next weeks looks insane-but otherwise I don't envision ever watching this episode a second time.
Craig breaking free of the Cyber-Conversion
The ending was pretty cool, and next weeks looks insane-but otherwise I don't envision ever watching this episode a second time.
I just watched bits of the start of The Impossible Astronaut, few things that I'm sure others have noticed, but here they are regardless. SPOILERS FOR ENTIRE SIXTH SERIES!.
1: He's got the Stetson from Craig, but he's not wearing the coat. Probably because he knows the Doctor Amy/Rory/River have been with doesn't wear it, yet.
2. In the American cafe where they catch up he says he's been running for his life, specifically, he says he's been running for his whole life. This I imagine is what fueled a lot of the Doctor-Ganger theories. The 200 years would have been his whole life if he had been created around the start of this series.
3. After the Doctor is killed, River on the beach fires back, when she runs out of ammo she says to herself 'course not'. This River is the one that's been in jail for killing the Doctor (we assume) and so must know that it's her in the spacesuit and is simply acting surprised for this entire scene. She's already lived out not being shot while in the suit, so when each of her shots misses she says: 'course not'.
4. Old Canton rocks up conveniently, dismissing Amy's suggestion that it might be a clone/duplicate of the Doctor. Opposing my 2nd point. I suppose after something said so bluntly it would be cheap for Moffat to throw a Ganger in.
5. Irrelevant to the speculations, but I just pictured some old bloke turning up to the lake in the morning with his boat missing. "Where's me fucken canoe!"
6. Hmm, younger doctor appears in the cafe, River seems genuinely surprised, slaps him, says it's cold even for him. All this suggests she really didn't know, memory wiped? CONFUSIA.
Think that'll do for now, I might try to piece together a rough River Timeline later, unless someone else wants to do it.
1: He's got the Stetson from Craig, but he's not wearing the coat. Probably because he knows the Doctor Amy/Rory/River have been with doesn't wear it, yet.
2. In the American cafe where they catch up he says he's been running for his life, specifically, he says he's been running for his whole life. This I imagine is what fueled a lot of the Doctor-Ganger theories. The 200 years would have been his whole life if he had been created around the start of this series.
3. After the Doctor is killed, River on the beach fires back, when she runs out of ammo she says to herself 'course not'. This River is the one that's been in jail for killing the Doctor (we assume) and so must know that it's her in the spacesuit and is simply acting surprised for this entire scene. She's already lived out not being shot while in the suit, so when each of her shots misses she says: 'course not'.
4. Old Canton rocks up conveniently, dismissing Amy's suggestion that it might be a clone/duplicate of the Doctor. Opposing my 2nd point. I suppose after something said so bluntly it would be cheap for Moffat to throw a Ganger in.
5. Irrelevant to the speculations, but I just pictured some old bloke turning up to the lake in the morning with his boat missing. "Where's me fucken canoe!"
6. Hmm, younger doctor appears in the cafe, River seems genuinely surprised, slaps him, says it's cold even for him. All this suggests she really didn't know, memory wiped? CONFUSIA.
Think that'll do for now, I might try to piece together a rough River Timeline later, unless someone else wants to do it.
I'm guessing when she starts being River at the end of Let's Kill Hitler and becomes an archeologist (end of the this episode she's in her graduation gown it looks like), she never meets him until she's put in the spacesuit (I assume they brought her there as a child to "fit" the spacesuit to her DNA or whatever for later). She probably can't control herself/has memory of the incident erased which might explain why River firing at the spacesuit was surprised but then made sense of it.Dmax3901 said:
So they put her in jail at Stormcage and she breaks out occasionally with the Doctor on her birthdays or when they need her (e.g. the Byzantium) or for no other reason than just because (e.g. the Pandorica). At some point they eventually let her go, she goes back to being an archeologist and she explores the Library and dies when she meets 10.
I would assume in the time of 11's 200-year long adventure that he bumps into River a few times/takes her out on her birthdays.
Haven't seen anything but the trailer but I assume when River jokes about being married to the Doctor, she means that silly thing he said to Mels when she got shot in Hitler's office?
Ventilaator
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What bothered me the most about this episode, even more than the power of love, was Doctor's use of the sonic screwdriver.
For some reason him buzzing a lamp and randomly making it project the actual night sky instead of vague shapes felt unbelievably stupid to me. If he opens a locked door with the sonic, there's at least a lock there that he is manipulating. The night sky had to come from completely nowhere.
For some reason him buzzing a lamp and randomly making it project the actual night sky instead of vague shapes felt unbelievably stupid to me. If he opens a locked door with the sonic, there's at least a lock there that he is manipulating. The night sky had to come from completely nowhere.
Mama Robotnik
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Ventilaator said:
I thought that was stupid too. Its effectively a magic wand now.
Agree all around, except the confidential part, as i don't watch that. Best stand alone in this half of the season bar non. I liked that the Doctor didn't have a companion... well officially anyway. I'd like a season or half season where he's adventuring on his own, just to see how that dynamic would work.Quick said:
The Doctor hiding from Amy and Rory behind the rack was my favourite scene. It's nice when Matt Smith plays the Doctor as vulnerable and shy. He pulls it off rather well I think.
The ending was expected, but still managed to surprise me. How are they going to timey-wimey out of this one... hot damn I can't wait. I'll even enjoy the River storyline again.
I wonder if they have the balls to leave the doctor dead? After all, it's the 1100 year old doctor, we could still have countless adventures with him during that missing 200. So we have plenty of times for new stories, but the doctor gets to die - maybe he's tired and ready for it?
Box of Bunnies
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mrklaw said:
Until Matt Smith decides he wants to move on.
Oh yeah, hehBox of Bunnies said:
Then they'll need some explanation/reset as otherwise no regeneration for 200 years. i'm back with ganger doctor then. His melancholy in this episode, with all the 'my time is up' stuff wasn't really in the doctor's character, but for a ganger who's had 200 years to explore the universe, might fit better
StealthGoblin
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Both the Cybermen and the Daleks need an arc to re-legitimize them.
A good way to do this is to have them kill off an assistant or be the ones to trigger The Doctors regeneration.
A good way to do this is to have them kill off an assistant or be the ones to trigger The Doctors regeneration.
lunarworks said:
Rule number 1, the Doctor Lies.
We don't know if those 200 years have really passed somewhere between when they said their ages in the first episode of the series and the next episode, he very well might have just thrown out an arbitrary number the first time so when his companions met their present timeline Doctor they would then ask him how old he was, and as such saved them time figuring out that they had seen a future version die.
Android18a
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Again, I thought the cybermen were merely incidental to the episode anyway. The real meat of it was the story of Craig and his child, and the Doctor again having a companion almost thrust upon him. There's very much that sense of reluctance of the Doctor to get involved this time, even though part of him really wants to do it all as he always has.
The Cybermen haven't been scary at all since they came back, though. I say they being back the cloth-head ones. That gives an impression, to me, of a human being so warped and distorted its very face has to be hidden. Even without emotion, the cyberman can not bear to look at his own mangled, augmented appearance, so he literally covers it with a bag. And that seems extra creepy to me. More so than a metal face.
These cybermen have human bodies so f*cked up they have to wear a bag. Yeah. To me, that is what the horror of the cybermen is. It's practically a robot zombie.
The Cybermen haven't been scary at all since they came back, though. I say they being back the cloth-head ones. That gives an impression, to me, of a human being so warped and distorted its very face has to be hidden. Even without emotion, the cyberman can not bear to look at his own mangled, augmented appearance, so he literally covers it with a bag. And that seems extra creepy to me. More so than a metal face.
These cybermen have human bodies so f*cked up they have to wear a bag. Yeah. To me, that is what the horror of the cybermen is. It's practically a robot zombie.
bobs...onGaf
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I take it that Saturdays episode was set in the future so to speak. Which implies that Amy really does get left behind. I wonder if next season we get a new companion or if theres going to be a reset button next week.
Keyser Soze
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bobs99 ... said:
No, I am still going to answer...
bobs...onGaf
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Keyser Soze said:No, I am still going to answer...
I think thats the best way to answer it, in my original post though I sort of assumed that Saturdays episode took place the day before the Dr died. When infact that storyline could have been taking place in the future and the Dr was going to travel back in time but 'tomorrow' was going to be the day he died even though it was in the past.
Timey wimey stuff which sort of works out if you look too deep into it lol.
I was just confused because if the day the episode took place was literally the day before the Dr dies (in terms of earth days). Then Amy would have been stuck in a weird loop.
After the end of last season/ Christmas special - get dumped by the Dr, gets a letter from the Dr and then goes to the location.
See's the Dr die but then see's young Dr and goes on adventure with him.
Dr makes them settle down. (Amy could become model here)
Dr sees them in department store a day before his death
Amy sees old Dr die and then goes onto have adventures with younger dr
loop repeats messing up Amy's life lol. (Wouldnt she know that she has already done it all already lol?)
The other alternative is that there would be 2 Amy's and 2 Rory's running around between the time that the Dr forces them to settle down and the day of his death. This makes more sense.
After the end of last season/ Christmas special - get dumped by the Dr, gets a letter from the Dr and then goes to the location.
See's the Dr die but then see's young Dr and goes on adventure with him.
Dr makes them settle down. (Amy could become model here)
Dr sees them in department store a day before his death
Amy sees old Dr die and then goes onto have adventures with younger dr
loop repeats messing up Amy's life lol. (Wouldnt she know that she has already done it all already lol?)
The other alternative is that there would be 2 Amy's and 2 Rory's running around between the time that the Dr forces them to settle down and the day of his death. This makes more sense.
But I suppose if the day of Saturdays episode is in the future (relative to the day the Dr dies.) and the Dr travels in time to his tomorow then things work out.
Yeah im never looking that deep into it ever again. I just couldn't help but feel it all didnt sit right.
bengraven
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I don't think so. I think he brought Rory and Amy to this summer: July - Sept. 2011. Amy became a supermodel after that.
The Doctor actually "dies" in April.
Edit: ^^ Yeah, I think "tomorrow" doesn't mean that in Craig's world it's April 10th. I think it's just a figurative thing.
The Doctor actually "dies" in April.
Edit: ^^ Yeah, I think "tomorrow" doesn't mean that in Craig's world it's April 10th. I think it's just a figurative thing.
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