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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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Randy Lanzarote

Randy Lanzarote

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The episode synopsis on the BBC Dr Who portal says that 200yrs had passed for the Doctor since The God Complex, so he is now the 1100yr old who isn't going to get gunned down, so when he says his death was tomorrow he is referring to his literal tomorrow.

Hell of a lot to squeeze into 24hrs though, pterodactyls, eyepatch Amy and Rory etc

(I wonder if the eyepatches are going to be Dr Who's version of Star Trek's alternate dimension goatee beards? :p)
 
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Goldrush

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How did he know that his death is tomorrow? He found the earth date that he will die. Unlike River last finale, nothing is forcing him to go to that time period.
 
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Mr. Sam

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The way I see it is that he's spent two hundred years or so getting his affairs in order and has chosen to go to his death. Craig is to be his last stop on his two century long "farewell tour."
 
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The Technomancer

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Mr. Sam said:
The way I see it is that he's spent two hundred years or so getting his affairs in order and has chosen to go to his death. Craig is to be his last stop on his two century long "farewell tour."
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Which is going to make this all a bit cheap when they revive him in a single episode with a shamallama twist.
 
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OMG Aero

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sionyboy said:
(I wonder if the eyepatches are going to be Dr Who's version of Star Trek's alternate dimension goatee beards? :p)
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I saw a great idea on SA that the eyepatches contain an image of the Silence, so that even when you aren't looking at them you can still see them and keep your memory of them.
 
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Wasn't a huge fan of last night's episode. There were a few good scenes/jokes, but overall I thought it was pretty weak. Also, I watched with one Who fan and two friends fresh to the show. Couple impressions: Moffat's style DOES make you explain more. Trying to explain how the Doctor knows he's dying was very difficult. Also, no one's first episode should ever be a Cyberman episode. They are AWFUL villains.
 
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JoshuaJSlone

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I like Craig and all, but he's the guy the Doctor decides to visit on his last day before death? Really?
Clegg said:
Oh Shit!! Did anyone else notice that the fragrence Amy was modelling was called Petrichor?

Callback to the Doctors Wife. Definitely a message to the Doctor.
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I didn't catch that it was a callback--I just thought it sounded like a really weird makeup company bragging in its name that their products contain petroleum.
 
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JoshuaJSlone said:
I like Craig and all, but he's the guy the Doctor decides to visit on his last day before death? Really?

I didn't catch that it was a callback--I just thought it sounded like a really weird makeup company bragging in its name that their products contain petroleum.
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He wanted to see the galaxy alignment before his death but got caught up in the cybermen thing. I think the Craig thing was supposed to be a quick hello.
 
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electroshockwave said:
Did the American version still have the Amy Pond opening?
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The opening was in the department store. Nothing with Amy.

sionyboy said:
(I wonder if the eyepatches are going to be Dr Who's version of Star Trek's alternate dimension goatee beards? :p)
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We see the Area 52 guards look at a Silent while wearing patches as if they know what they're looking at, so it's fairly clear that they give you the ability to look at a silent. (We also see eyepatch lady and more guards looking at Silents in the end of EP12 in the Library with River)
 
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electroshockwave said:
Did the American version still have the Amy Pond opening?
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"The BBC America and Space broadcasts also retained the opening sequence narrated by Amy Pond."
Guess so.
 
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Ithil

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APZonerunner said:
I think in general there's been a huge issue with the Cybermen and Daleks being credible threats since each of their first episodes in the new series. Well, actually - Parting of the Ways had really threatening Daleks, too. Shame, though. Hope they can do more than that.
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That lone Dalek in The Big Bang felt legitimately threatening.

The numbers is the problems, in huge droves the Daleks tend to just be fodder and not scary. Parting of the Ways avoided that since it was the first time ever seeing a gigantic amount of Daleks, plus they pretty much WERE unstoppable until the very end.
 
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Keyser Soze said:
No, I am still going to answer...

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Amazing GIF !!
 
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EleventhDoctor

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Ithil said:
That lone Dalek in The Big Bang felt legitimately threatening.

The numbers is the problems, in huge droves the Daleks tend to just be fodder and not scary. Parting of the Ways avoided that since it was the first time ever seeing a gigantic amount of Daleks, plus they pretty much WERE unstoppable until the very end.
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Right. Until Donna flipped a lever and made the Daleks spin around in circles.
 
bengraven

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Mr. Sam said:
The way I see it is that he's spent two hundred years or so getting his affairs in order and has chosen to go to his death. Craig is to be his last stop on his two century long "farewell tour."
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This.

He chose when "tomorrow" would be.
 
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LProtag

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DoctorWho said:
He wanted to see the galaxy alignment before his death but got caught up in the cybermen thing. I think the Craig thing was supposed to be a quick hello.
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Yeah. He popped in and said he was making a social call. Asked how Craig was doing, said something like "Oh, this is the part where I say I'm doing fine too. Okay, bye." and attempted to leave to go see a few more things. He just happened to, instead of going elsewhere, helping people out yet again. So he spent the last of his time with Craig instead of it just being a quick 'social call'.

bengraven said:
This.

He chose when "tomorrow" would be.
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Possibly, but I thought it was confirmed that his death was a fixed point in time? And relative to his personal timeline he had to go there on his tomorrow.
 
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maharg

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Is there anything to indicate that the entirety of the 200 year gap was on this particular departure? A bunch of it could have been in between the season break. Never mind the possibility that he's been popping in and out and/or switching places with his younger self between episodes, as some speculation would have it.
 
Randy Lanzarote

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maharg said:
Is there anything to indicate that the entirety of the 200 year gap was on this particular departure? A bunch of it could have been in between the season break. Never mind the possibility that he's been popping in and out and/or switching places with his younger self between episodes, as some speculation would have it.
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Interview with Gareth Roberts on BBC DW site:

Could you tell us a little bit about your episode?

Gareth Roberts: It's 200 years after The God Complex - for the Doctor, anyway. All the stuff you saw at the very beginning of The Impossible Astronaut, with him waving to Amy through all time and space, he's been doing that.

But time is closing in on him and he can't put off going to Lake Silencio and his doom. But before he does, he thinks he'll make one last social call - and he ends up working in a shop and fighting the Cybermen.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110917_02/An_Interview_with_Gareth_Roberts

Though this wasn't made very clear in the episode and it really should've been, when I was watching it I thought "But the Dr at the lake was 1,100 yrs old, he's probably only been gone a few weeks". :/
 
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radioheadrule83

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I've been working the last two weekends so I've only just caught up with the last two episodes -- I thought they were both great to be honest. I loved the hotel episode, the concept was great and ancillary characters were treated pretty mercilessly - and this week's episode was fun. I loved the joking around with partner / companion and stormageddon... the way the cybermen were defeated was a bit half assed and schmaltzy but I liked it overall for the way it showed the Doctor trying not to get involved and actually finding the help from 'a mate' a bit useful... the ending has me hyped for next week, looking forward to it!
 
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Holmes

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I've searched and found nothing, but I still might as well ask. Are series 1 - 4 available in blu ray? Are there any plans, if not?
 
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Holmes said:
I've searched and found nothing, but I still might as well ask. Are series 1 - 4 available in blu ray? Are there any plans, if not?
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Just DVDs at the moment. Nothing announced for blu-ray, and I don't think they will anytime soon.
 
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isny

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Holmes said:
I've searched and found nothing, but I still might as well ask. Are series 1 - 4 available in blu ray? Are there any plans, if not?
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1-4 was also shot in SD. They upconverted The Next Doctor for the Blu Ray Tennant Specials boxset, but it doesn't really add much to it.
 
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isny said:
1-4 was also shot in SD. They upconverted The Next Doctor for the Blu Ray Tennant Specials boxset, but it doesn't really add much to it.
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The conversion of The Next Doctor for blu-ray looked OK, but upconverting season 1-3 would really make it look terrible on blu-ray. Season 4 would look about the same as The Next Doctor.
 
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Holmes

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Blah, didn't care for The Next Doctor anyway.

But thanks anyway! Guess I'll just get the DVD sets for those series, then. I was just hoping, since Torchwood is in Blu Ray.
 
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isny

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infiniteloop said:
If you're in the US, they're releasing a Doctor Who: The Complete David Tennant Years set that might be cheaper than buying them individually.


http://www.bbcamericashop.com/dvd/doctor-who-the-complete-david-tennant-years-16091.html
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Buying them from the U.K. is so much cheaper. Most DVD players can be unlocked using a code found online, and all PC DVD players can play any region DVD's.

Amazon.co.uk or HMV.com are your best bets. Both have the sets insanely cheap.
 
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yencid

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Weeping angels episode now. Doctor who needs a haunted house attraction.

Throughout it you would randomly hear "are you my mummy" and see angels in different locations, quick glimpses only.
 
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So I just started watching the shows available on Netflix after finishing the Torchwood that's available on Netflix (that's obviously up to and including Children of Earth and not the new stuff).

If I'm reading right, S1-S4 is the Russel T. Davies stuff and the S5 on Netflix is the new production team?

In any event, I ask because I've gotten up to the first episode of S2 - "The Christmas Invasion" and it really left a bad taste in my mouth. It's mainly the writing, not sure if I should bother spoilering anything, but:

Basically, simply the way the Doctor treats Harriet Jones right at the very end is beyond unreasonable and the writing reeks of misogyny. "Don't you think she looks tired?", really, REALLY?!?! For a character that apparently dislikes messing with the timeline (remember, on account of the horrible dragon-thingys that come to sterilize the world, remember, Doctor?) he really decided to be a misogynistic ass simply because the PM decided to do something that seemed rather reasonable to me as a viewer.

In any event, it's not bad enough to make me stop watching but that just REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. I'm liking it so far, and it reminds me of Berman-era Star Trek in that it's got enough serial tendencies to be interesting thematically and plotline wise, but not so serial as to be unapproachable from the middle like something like Lost.
 
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isny

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teiresias said:
If I'm reading right, S1-S4 is the Russel T. Davies stuff and the S5 on Netflix is the new production team?
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This.

S2 is Tennant's first season though, so cut him some slack.
 
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teiresias said:
In any event, I ask because I've gotten up to the first episode of S2 - "The Christmas Invasion" and it really left a bad taste in my mouth. It's mainly the writing, not sure if I should bother spoilering anything, but:

Basically, simply the way the Doctor treats Harriet Jones right at the very end is beyond unreasonable and the writing reeks of misogyny. "Don't you think she looks tired?", really, REALLY?!?! For a character that apparently dislikes messing with the timeline (remember, on account of the horrible dragon-thingys that come to sterilize the world, remember, Doctor?) he really decided to be a misogynistic ass simply because the PM decided to do something that seemed rather reasonable to me as a viewer.
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The Doctor can mess with certain things, except fixed points in time. The Doctor suggesting that she looks tired isn't messing with anything specific. Those "dragon-thingys" only pop up when a paradox happens (Rose saving her dad from getting hit by that car). I'm speaking of the RTD era, though. Moffat's been extremely liberal with the rules of time travel.

I liked Father's Day, but hated those things. And I hated the idea that creating a paradox sends out those pterodactyl things. I think the episode would've worked out better without the pterodactyl things.

Picture it: Rose and the Doctor are stuck inside the church with all these people because time is in a repeating loop and the only way to get out of the loop is for Pete to die by getting hit by that car that keeps popping in and out. A whole episode dedicated to Rose bonding with her dad, and ultimately letting him get hit by the car. No monsters required.
 
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So anyone else has the theory, that next week really IS the Doctors real, final death and the series just follows the younger (900y) him. He has found a way to revert to an older version of himself just to look familiar to his friends, for his last few days...
 
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Lach said:
So anyone else has the theory, that next week really IS the Doctors real, final death and the series just follows the younger (900y) him. He has found a way to revert to an older version of himself just to look familiar to his friends, for his last few days...
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No.
 
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Ithil

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Lach said:
So anyone else has the theory, that next week really IS the Doctors real, final death and the series just follows the younger (900y) him. He has found a way to revert to an older version of himself just to look familiar to his friends, for his last few days...
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Not in a million years.
 
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maharg

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teiresias said:
So I just started watching the shows available on Netflix after finishing the Torchwood that's available on Netflix (that's obviously up to and including Children of Earth and not the new stuff).

If I'm reading right, S1-S4 is the Russel T. Davies stuff and the S5 on Netflix is the new production team?

In any event, I ask because I've gotten up to the first episode of S2 - "The Christmas Invasion" and it really left a bad taste in my mouth. It's mainly the writing, not sure if I should bother spoilering anything, but:

Basically, simply the way the Doctor treats Harriet Jones right at the very end is beyond unreasonable and the writing reeks of misogyny. "Don't you think she looks tired?", really, REALLY?!?! For a character that apparently dislikes messing with the timeline (remember, on account of the horrible dragon-thingys that come to sterilize the world, remember, Doctor?) he really decided to be a misogynistic ass simply because the PM decided to do something that seemed rather reasonable to me as a viewer.

In any event, it's not bad enough to make me stop watching but that just REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. I'm liking it so far, and it reminds me of Berman-era Star Trek in that it's got enough serial tendencies to be interesting thematically and plotline wise, but not so serial as to be unapproachable from the middle like something like Lost.
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No need to spoiler, but be aware that the policy in this thread is that anything from an episode is fair game as long as it's aired somewhere, so you might want to run away from the thread until you're caught up.

At any rate, a while back I read a really interesting analysis of RTD's era of Who criticizing it for that particular plot point among others where the Doctor seems to go out of his way to remove power from a woman. The other notable examples being one you've just seen, which is when he removes the time vortex from Rose, and one later on that I won't spoil for you, but it involves one of his companions.

Whether that's a trend in his work or not, I dunno. It was interesting, though.
 
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I'd never thought of it like that before, but it's a good point. It's hard to argue, in the UK at least, that female politicians aren't described in the media in terms of their physical appearance, and judged "accordingly", more so than male politicians, so that phrase of the Doctor's would carry more weight directed at a female than it would a male.
 
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