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[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think you're going to have to provide some proof that you're not a joke character.

If a story about a character that commits suicide after being told he's one of the greatest people that ever lived (that isn't silly, it's a basic fact if you're talking about influential artists) isn't nuanced narrative then what is?

What is this thick vein of subtle, nuanced storytelling from the RTD era that has passed so many of us by?

It's not a nuanced narrative because of the execution. It's 'bombastic' (the very thing people accuse RTD of doing, bizarrely enough). It feels like the writer is shaking me by the shoulder and telling me how I should be feeling.

The idea behind the story is fine. The first 3/4ths of the story are fine. It's only when they take Vincent to the present day that the storytelling goes to shit in favor of basically screaming at the audience and telling them how they should feel.

I think I've already given plenty of examples of what I considered great storytelling from the RTD era. I don't really feel the need to keep repeating myself on that front. I wrote out a pretty long post a few pages back.

Why would I be a joke character? It's not like this is a particularly rare point of view. If I was a joke character (which I would never be), I would probably be going on about how The Android Invasion is the greatest Doctor Who story of them all.

I wasn't aware that a Doctor Who fan loving Robert Holmes and Russell T. Davies was 'joke character' status.

 

[DrForester]

Going to watch the movie for the first time.


See you all on the flip side.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Going to watch the movie for the first time.


See you all on the flip side.

D:

Be warned: 8th Doctor aside, you won't come out of this a better person.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

D:

Be warned: 8th Doctor aside, you won't come out of this a better person.

But he will find a new movie to show on the Sattelite of Love.

 

[mclem]

Sorry, but "Rose" is the worst episode of Doctor Who I've seen. Granted, I've only seen the last 6 series, but still.

"Timelash" is *reknowned* for having an eerily apt anagram.

 

[Mr. Sam]

"Timelash" is *reknowned* for having an eerily apt anagram.

Lame shit? Sorry, it took me about fifteen seconds to figure out and I wanted to spare others the same ordeal.

 

[Furret]

It's not a nuanced narrative because of the execution. It's 'bombastic' (the very thing people accuse RTD of doing, bizarrely enough). It feels like the writer is shaking me by the shoulder and telling me how I should be feeling.

The idea behind the story is fine. The first 3/4ths of the story are fine. It's only when they take Vincent to the present day that the storytelling goes to shit in favor of basically screaming at the audience and telling them how they should feel.

I think I've already given plenty of examples of what I considered great storytelling from the RTD era. I don't really feel the need to keep repeating myself on that front. I wrote out a pretty long post a few pages back.

Why would I be a joke character? It's not like this is a particularly rare point of view. If I was a joke character (which I would never be), I would probably be going on about how The Android Invasion is the greatest Doctor Who story of them all.

I wasn't aware that a Doctor Who fan loving Robert Holmes and Russell T. Davies was 'joke character' status.

It is when you only like their very worst stuff and save your greatest criticism for the very best of the Moffat era.

All I can find of your comments from a few pages back is some nonsense about The Master's finale being really dark and poignant.

But to be honest I've lost interest now. If these really are your real opinions then I hope the rest of season 6 continues to disappoint you.

 

[mclem]

Lame shit? Sorry, it took me about fifteen seconds to figure out and I wanted to spare others the same ordeal.

'zackly.

 

[DrForester]

D:

Be warned: 8th Doctor aside, you won't come out of this a better person.

Only part I've ever seen is the opening to hear the theme song.

Still think it's an awesome version of it.

 

[DrForester]

Probably because of all the hate I read, but I didn't think the movie was that bad. Wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, but I didn't want to claw my eyes out.

Eric Roberts > John Simms

I said it.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Eric Roberts Master was the worst part for me. If you can get past that, then I guess it wouldn't be so bad. But yeah, I couldn't.

Also, Sylvester McCoy getting gunned down in San Francisco? Hardly the most liked Doctor, sure, but that's unfitting for any Doctor. McGann is great despite the story he's in, I really wish there was more of him (on screen).

 

[DrForester]

Eric Roberts Master was the worst part for me. If you can get past that, then I guess it wouldn't be so bad. But yeah, I couldn't.

Also, Sylvester McCoy getting gunned down in San Francisco? Hardly the most liked Doctor, sure, but that's unfitting for any Doctor. McGann is great despite the story he's in, I really wish there was more of him (on screen).

Yeah, I should clarify my Eric Roberts > John Simms comment. It's a dig at John Simms, not an endorsement of Roberts.

 

[maharg]

Probably because of all the hate I read, but I didn't think the movie was that bad. Wasn't a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, but I didn't want to claw my eyes out.

Eric Roberts > John Simms

I said it.

I think there's an element of cognitive dissonance to the hate for the movie. That is, it exists as kind of a hybrid of the old show and the new, with some of the worst plot-contrivance and costuming excesses of the old show mixed with the more personable and emotional Doctor. At the time it was hated a lot for the half-human line and the fact that it was the first time the Doctor had a love interest relationship with a human companion.

Personally, I like it for what it was, a stop gap and a shift towards a lot of the things that make the new show great while holding on to some traditions of the old. If nothing else, it was a step up from the shitty state the old show got into, just like while I have a lot of complaints about RTD's tenure it was still a huge step up from the movie. But in context, I enjoy it for the fun romp it is.

 

[Furret]

So nobody has anything to say about the future woman peering through the door at Amy at all? The single strangest thing in the episode and a hint about a whole extra element to the season arc?

I'm beginning to think I imagined it or everyone else's memory of it has been wiped out, Silent style.

I can't remember the whole line but didn't she imply they were watching Amy and that she was dreaming? Is the entire post-Big Bang universe a figment of Amy's imagination?

 

[KibblesBits]

So nobody has anything to say about the future woman peering through the door at Amy at all? The single strangest thing in the episode and a hint about a whole extra element to the season arc?

I'm beginning to think I imagined it or everyone else's memory of it has been wiped out, Silent style.

I can't remember the whole line but didn't she imply they were watching Amy and that she was dreaming? Is the entire post-Big Bang universe a figment of Amy's imagination?

There's been tons of speculation on it.
I spoiler tag'd mine a few pages back.

 

[Furret]

There's been tons of speculation on it.
I spoiler tag'd mine a few pages back.

Oh, that's why I missed it then.

Why are people still spoilering non-spoiler stuff? Is it the 30th time we go over this that everyone gets the idea or the 31st?

How do I know if I unspoiler those pages they'll be actual spoilers or just someone speculating?

Just talk about it normally here, for pity's sake.

 

[KibblesBits]

Oh, that's why I missed it then.

Why are people still spoilering non-spoiler stuff? Is it the 30th time we go over this that everyone gets the idea or the 31st?

How do I know if I unspoiler those pages they'll be actual spoilers or just someone speculating?

Just talk about it normally here, for pity's sake.

I CLEARLY labeled mine as speculation.

 

[Ivan A Nguyen]

Anyone else do a daily task that you usually don't pay attention to and forget soon after, and now think about it a little more?

That might be too confusing. A good example is when I leave the house, I lock the door, I drive down the street, and at the first stop sign I can't remember if I locked the door or not.

 

[Furret]

I CLEARLY labeled mine as speculation.

CLEARLY there was no need to spoiler them then was there?

 

[KibblesBits]

CLEARLY there was no need to spoiler them then was there?

Some people don't like speculation unspoiled.
Mods are putting tags on their speculation.
Take it up with a higher authority.

 

[Eteric Rice]

The actor that plays the little girl's name is Sydney Wade.

The actor that plays the one eyed lady is Frances Barber.

If you type the girl's name into google image search, there are pictures of the actor that plays River Song along with the girl.

 

[Furret]

Some people don't like speculation unspoiled.
Mods are putting tags on their speculation.
Take it up with a higher authority.

Some people are idiots.

From the OP:

"Spoilers concerning episodes not yet aired are to be spoiler tagged. Discussions about episodes that have aired in the UK, however, are not to be spoiler tagged. Not only does this prevent the thread from looking like a giant barcode - which benefits no-one - but it allows members to pick out real spoilers from plot points about episodes they've already seen.

This isn't an effort to be unkind and exclude people, it's simply an issue of practicalities.

Thank you."

 

[KibblesBits]

What does that have to do with spoiler tagging speculation?

You seem salty.

 

[Furret]

What does that have to do with spoiler tagging speculation?

You seem salty.

You seem like a moron.

Speculation is by definition discussion of an episode that has already aired.

If you don't want to discuss the events and implications of the episode what the hell are you doing on a message forum?

 

[infiniteloop]

DW Spoilers has a piece about unanswered questions after the first 2 eps. definitely some spoilers so be mindful of that:

http://doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/2011/05/unanswered-questions-day-of-the-moon/

 

[Htown]

You seem like a moron.

Speculation is by definition discussion of an episode that has already aired.

If you don't want to discuss the events and implications of the episode what the hell are you doing on a message forum?

Um, speculation is making an educated guess about what's going to happen in episodes that HAVEN'T aired yet based on what you've already seen.

Also I don't understand why people get SO FUCKING PISSED when they see a spoiler tag about something that's already aired in this thread. It doesn't happen anywhere else on this forum as far as I know.

 

[O D I N]

Spoiler

7 river song is Amy's daughter?

On a side note season 6 iTunes pass bought!

Damn it! I knew I forgot to add that. That was another theory I had.

Spoiler

...Spoilers...

Going to watch the movie for the first time.


See you all on the flip side.

D:

Be warned: 8th Doctor aside, you won't come out of this a better person.

I need to rewatch this. When this aired on TV (96?), I watched it with my dad. I think I was 12 at the time, so I didn't understand much. It was my first exposure to the Doctor though. Now that I'm a Whovian, I wanna see it again.

 

[KibblesBits]

You seem like a moron.

Speculation is by definition discussion of an episode that has already aired.

If you don't want to discuss the events and implications of the episode what the hell are you doing on a message forum?

I love it when personal insults are tossed out.
It indicates someone losing their shit.

And I will continue to spoil my speculation.
And clearly label it until told otherwise by a mod.

 

[EvilMario]

Looking forward to episodes with a single tale to tell, as I haven't been feeling this season's (or most of last season's) primary story arc. The one off episodes always seem to be more captivating, less drama, and more not taking themselves seriously.

 

[Spotless Mind]

Looking forward to episodes with a single tale to tell, as I haven't been feeling this season's (or most of last season's) primary story arc. The one off episodes always seem to be more captivating, less drama, and more not taking themselves seriously.

I really like Moffat's story arc episodes thus far, but i'm kind of lamenting the fact that he won't be doing many standalones, if at all, now that he's showrunner. The are usually the ones that stand out most for me and keep me coming back for repeat viewings.

 

[electroshockwave]

The actor that plays the little girl's name is Sydney Wade.

The actor that plays the one eyed lady is Frances Barber.

If you type the girl's name into google image search, there are pictures of the actor that plays River Song along with the girl.

Those are probably from Marchlands. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1834598/

 

[bengraven]

Truth. I tried getting into Doctor Who a couple of years ago and turned off Rose halfway through. I had a friend sit down and more or less force me to watch Eleventh Hour, which is what hooked me on the series. I'm starting to go back and re-watch previous episodes.

So far, I've hooked four other people into watching the show by starting them with Eleventh Hour. I really think the way Moffat did that episode is a perfect introduction.

Yeah, it actually killed the 9th Doctor stories for me. I watched the next couple, which were improvements, and may go back to them, but "Rose" was so bad I just skipped to Tennant.

 

[infiniteloop]

That's a shame. Eccleston's a great Doctor; better than Tennant imo.

 

[Hot Coldman]

That's a shame. Eccleston's a great Doctor; better than Tennant imo.

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If it wasn't for the convenience of introducing the concept of regenerations so quickly, I'd hate hate haaaaaaate Eccleston having such a short term as Doctor.

 

[O D I N]

That's a shame. Eccleston's a great Doctor; better than Tennant imo.

I think every Doctor has their own merits. There's a different sort of charm from each Doctor, and it's hard to really place a favorite for me. I default to Tennant because I loved his style, and most of the stories he was involved in. Matt Smith is catching up, quickly. Eccleston had the charm and the anger down. Quirky when he needed to be, deadpan I'll eff you up when the time called for it. I agree that it was a shame he wasn't around longer. Would have loved to see him do more.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That's a shame. Eccleston's a great Doctor; better than Tennant imo.

Yeah, Eccleston was an amazing Doctor. He's just shy of my personal Top 3 (Baker, Pertwee, Hartnell). He had so many different layers to him. He could be angry and cold, but he also had so many joyous and triumphant moments ("Everybody lives", "and so was I", etc). He had me right from "Nice to meet you, Rose. Run for your life!".

It's such a shame that he didn't have at least three years on the show.

 

[Jintor]

I saw a radio thingy floating around where Eccleston said he would NEVER RETUUUUURN, which blows. Don't know where it is, but I'm sure it's just a googlesearch away. Sucks, too - he's up their on the god tier Doctors, he's brilliant.

Kuwabara, you're crazy, but I respect your opinions.

 

[infiniteloop]

I saw a radio thingy floating around where Eccleston said he would NEVER RETUUUUURN, which blows. Don't know where it is, but I'm sure it's just a googlesearch away. Sucks, too - he's up their on the god tier Doctors, he's brilliant.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27508088&postcount=2798

makes me sad

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Ok so I got all nostalgic from that and was looking up some Eccleston stuff when I saw the new series he's in, The Shadow Line. Any way an American like me will be able to get this show? Itunes, Amazon?

 

[Big Papa Husker]

Sounds like John Simms wants to come back to Doctor Who...
http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/entertainment/tv/john-simm-speaks-of-return-to-doctor-who-$21386351.htm

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27508088&postcount=2798

makes me sad

Man... that sucks. I can't believe he wouldn't even do it as a one off cameo.. >:|

 

[andylsun]

Rewatching The Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon back to back. They get better each time I watch.

Did anyone else think the red recording pulse, with Amy's voice in the girls room was harking back to Silence in the Library when a shadow touched someone, and their fading personality could continue to be heard.

 

[stupei]

Rewatching The Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon back to back. They get better each time I watch.

Did anyone else think the red recording pulse, with Amy's voice in the girls room was harking back to Silence in the Library when a shadow touched someone, and their fading personality could continue to be heard.

Yeah, definitely. In fact the connection is so clear that there was a split second where I didn't realize what the device was and thought we were meant to think that Amy had in fact died. Even the vocal quality is similar.

(There was also a callback to this in River's second appearance in The Time of Angels.)

 

[isny]

I need to rewatch this. When this aired on TV (96?), I watched it with my dad. I think I was 12 at the time, so I didn't understand much. It was my first exposure to the Doctor though. Now that I'm a Whovian, I wanna see it again.

If you take it for what it is, it's a fun romp. It at least tries to tie into the classic series as much as it can. (Daleks, The Master, Jelly Babies, the TARDIS, 8 almost putting on a scarf that looks like 4's, Cloister Bell, Eye of Harmony, etc.)

Just ignore the part about The Doctor being half human on his mothers side and you'll enjoy it.

Sounds like John Simms wants to come back to Doctor Who...
http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/entertainment/tv/john-simm-speaks-of-return-to-doctor-who-$21386351.htm


Man... that sucks. I can't believe he wouldn't even do it as a one off cameo.. >:|

Simm will come back eventually, even if just to regenerate.

Eccelstone will also be back. Yes we know he doesn't want to come back, but money talks, and they could probably get him in for 2-3 days of shooting no problem with the right amount of cash. (He's probably also just trying to misdirect us, like all who actors have done in the past)

 

[PhoncipleBone]

So, the wife and I were sitting down and rewatching Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone. Then I pop onto GAF while watching and see the twitter rumor that Bin Laden has been killed.

From now on, I will remember exactly what I was doing when it was announced Bin Laden was dead...because I was watching The Doctor.

Random post, I know.

 

[Keyser Soze]

So, the wife and I were sitting down and rewatching Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone. Then I pop onto GAF while watching and see the twitter rumor that Bin Laden has been killed.

From now on, I will remember exactly what I was doing when it was announced Bin Laden was dead...because I was watching The Doctor.

Random post, I know.

The Doctor helped a president again

 

[PhoncipleBone]

The Doctor helped a president again

Maybe they just sent River after him.

 

[isny]

So, the wife and I were sitting down and rewatching Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone. Then I pop onto GAF while watching and see the twitter rumor that Bin Laden has been killed.

From now on, I will remember exactly what I was doing when it was announced Bin Laden was dead...because I was watching The Doctor.

Random post, I know.

Same here, I'll remember reading the GAF Doctor Who post while nomming on Pizza =D

Hopefully Moffat didn't write binladens death, or else we'll find out it was wibbly wobbly timey wimey and he won't really be dead. Maybe the silents just made us believe he's dead?

 

[maharg]

Yeah, Eccleston was an amazing Doctor. He's just shy of my personal Top 3 (Baker, Pertwee, Hartnell). He had so many different layers to him. He could be angry and cold, but he also had so many joyous and triumphant moments ("Everybody lives", "and so was I", etc). He had me right from "Nice to meet you, Rose. Run for your life!".

It's such a shame that he didn't have at least three years on the show.

Hey, look. Something we can agree on.

 

[isny]

Eve is a brunette now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppf1Z0poxnA

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Just finished watching Day of the Moon. That was just fantastic. Loved it. Liked the Silent as an enemy... so damned creepy and eerie. And I really doubt that it's over for them... they were built up so much in the past season only to be offed permanently in the first two episodes of this season - super unlikely, though I figure everyone knows that. But seriously, eerie things. Really liked all the guest actors. Nixon was great, very funny and charming in a weird way... and you guys catch the Doctor telling him to record everything? Such a little thing, but Nixon definitely took it to heart. Loved Mark Shepard as a good guy... he's great in the role of Everett, and it's not too often he plays a decent person. Also, the creepy guy at the orphanage... felt very sad for him... very good actor, creepy performance.

Also that ending! What the fuck?! My jaw dropped and I rewinded three times. Damn.