Commander Jameson
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Ha. That's almost as many times as Clara has died.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Ha. That's almost as many times as Clara has died.
They also brought back Rassilon too iirc, so you were partly right, lol.
Looking back I'm wondering if the Dream Lord was meant to be Hurt, or at least some sort of remnants of this lost Doctor, along with possibly what the Doctor saw in the Room that we never got to see. All of which will split off in that last regeneration and become the Valeyard, a hateful angry version Doctor who doesn't want to die and will do whatever he can to not.
Sir_Crocodile
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Did he even ever die? Five doctors was a bit vague on that from memory - might just have been in hibernation.
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EleventhDoctor
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Worth it if they spin those three off.
Has to happen.
Specifically stated that the Time Lords resurrected him to take over as President (presumably from Romana).
Rafa=FedKilla
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Goddam Jenna Louise Coleman has put a spell on me.
She is so cute.
Incendiary
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Really good episode. Good finale, and can't wait for the 50th.
Are they going to do a complete series 7 box set? If they do, will the 50th be a part of it?
Are they going to do a complete series 7 box set? If they do, will the 50th be a part of it?
infiniteloop
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Whenever I watch a first Doctor and he's pissed at the TARDIS, I'll imagine him thinking "fucking Clara."
I think people are jumping to conclusions about Hurt Doctor ending the Time War.
The Whispermen were pretty lame.
Not really, it was needed to open his tomb. Also, it was sort of a play on word with the whole interaction with between Hurt and Smith at the end.
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You expected anything less?
They never gonna going to reveal his name. But they did good stuff with it regardless. And it was worth it for that last line from Smith.Anyway, the weird thing they need to address is Clara should probably remember the Doctor's name, now that she remembers the events of Journey. Although maybe his name just doesn't matter now.
R_thanatos
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The last 25 second of tonight episode made me smile liek no other who moment this season.
There is now a red cross on the 23rd november on my calendar.
I liked this episode
There is now a red cross on the 23rd november on my calendar.
I liked this episode
I really don't think we're seeing a "forgotten" regeneration between 8-9 here like people have been assuming. I think the key here lies in the past, specifically 25 years ago in the 25th anniversary episode of the show, Silver Nemesis.
At the very end the villian touches upon some of the very same plot points we see here:
"Doctor Who? Have you never wondered where he came from? Who he is? ...I know your secrets. I shall tell them of Gallifrey. Tell them of the old time, the time of chaos."
Of course nothing came of that at the time, but I think we're finally going to see that pay off now for the 50th anniversary... I believe the character John Hurt is playing is actually a pre-Hartnell incarnation of the Timelord we know as The Doctor. He was probably some sort of space Hitler initially who changed his name to the Doctor, stole a TARDIS and ran in an attempt to remake himself.
Plus, think about it; This way the numbering stays intact. Matt Smith will technically still be the 11th "Doctor", only he will have had more incarnations that we never knew of prior to becoming the Doctor which I think is a good compromise. I HATED the idea of Smith actually being the 12th Doctor.
At the very end the villian touches upon some of the very same plot points we see here:
"Doctor Who? Have you never wondered where he came from? Who he is? ...I know your secrets. I shall tell them of Gallifrey. Tell them of the old time, the time of chaos."
Of course nothing came of that at the time, but I think we're finally going to see that pay off now for the 50th anniversary... I believe the character John Hurt is playing is actually a pre-Hartnell incarnation of the Timelord we know as The Doctor. He was probably some sort of space Hitler initially who changed his name to the Doctor, stole a TARDIS and ran in an attempt to remake himself.
Plus, think about it; This way the numbering stays intact. Matt Smith will technically still be the 11th "Doctor", only he will have had more incarnations that we never knew of prior to becoming the Doctor which I think is a good compromise. I HATED the idea of Smith actually being the 12th Doctor.
Rewatch it multiple times and its hard to see where they are going.
1. He is the doctor in the future who dropped that title to become a dictator in the name of peace in sanity. The Great Intelligence said this was the final battle for the old man on the planet of his tome.
2. He is the doctor from the time war who is forgotten for what he did. He is dressed like the eighth with the 9th coat.
3. He could be the doctor from the time war but thanks to this episode escapes and becomes the valyard and the other doctors must stop him?
1. He is the doctor in the future who dropped that title to become a dictator in the name of peace in sanity. The Great Intelligence said this was the final battle for the old man on the planet of his tome.
2. He is the doctor from the time war who is forgotten for what he did. He is dressed like the eighth with the 9th coat.
3. He could be the doctor from the time war but thanks to this episode escapes and becomes the valyard and the other doctors must stop him?
Whilst the ending was undoubtedly awesome, it would've been even more awesome if the episode ended without John Hurt turning round, whilst The Doctor carries Clara in his arms away to the distance, fading out to black...
...fading right back into 'The Time War', showing McGann's Doctor falling to the mercy of a powerful adversary. He then starts to regenerate... viewers around the world are like, oh here we go, Eccleston is about to appear, and BAM, it's John Hurt. Cut to black. See you in November, bitches. Internet explodes.
Knowing the BBC they'll release it separately and expect you to fork out for it on its own
APZonerunner
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The numbering stays intact anyway, I think - Hurt is a one-off, rejected Doctor. Plus fandom is smart enough to deal with it.
I think the main thing convincing me down the 'real 9th' path is the jacket, to be honest.
Rewatching the end of the episode, that last couple minutes, when he just stares at the back of Hurt and says "But not in the name of the Doctor" with passion and Hurt turns around and is introduced as the Doctor, so good.
They need their own series already, strax is great in every situation.
Indeed, I think it is pretty obvious from everything that was said in the episode, the multiple nods to the Time War in this second half of this series, to Hurts line.
They need their own series already, strax is great in every situation.
Indeed, I think it is pretty obvious from everything that was said in the episode, the multiple nods to the Time War in this second half of this series, to Hurts line.
I don't think so. His name didn't really matter, and it wouldn't qualify as his big secret, as other characters have known (Clara found out briefly, River knew, Susan would have known, Rassalon and many of the Time Lords would have known - including The Master).
I know we're currently wrapped up in theories and that but... guys, holy shit - John Hurt is playing The Doctor! One of the greatest actors in the world; the first actor to ever have his chest burst; acting and science fiction royalty is playing The Doctor. He could be forgotten because he regenerated and then immediately wandered in front of a truck and it would still be amazing. John fucking Hurt. Wow.
Edit: And he's not a clone or some bloke that accidentally got The Doctor's memories, but the actual bloody Doctor!
Edit: And he's not a clone or some bloke that accidentally got The Doctor's memories, but the actual bloody Doctor!
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I think the capper to Hurt's Doctor being the Time War Doctor is his name in the History of the Time War book. Always struck me as odd that his real name was there, but that makes sense; that wasn't really the Doctor!
bearythebear
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It's kinda weird that we don't see The Doctor actually escape his time-stream with Clara. Episode kinda just ends.
Overall, I liked this episode. The half-season has been OK, but I haven't really warmed up to Clara yet. She's kinda "too perfect", but then again, I've never really loved any of the Doctor's companions (2005-).
Overall, I liked this episode. The half-season has been OK, but I haven't really warmed up to Clara yet. She's kinda "too perfect", but then again, I've never really loved any of the Doctor's companions (2005-).
Rory, Wilf, Donna.
SquiddyCracker
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Mixed feelings about this episode.
It jumped back and forth from awesome to cringe-bad so many times. When it finally ended with the Hurt about to turn around I was in awe - but then burst out laughing uncontrollably as they did the 'Introducing...' shenanigans like it was a stage play or trailer.
It jumped back and forth from awesome to cringe-bad so many times. When it finally ended with the Hurt about to turn around I was in awe - but then burst out laughing uncontrollably as they did the 'Introducing...' shenanigans like it was a stage play or trailer.
This more than likely. TGI name checked the Valeyard, and 11 said he's not The Doctor, even though the silly on screen shit said he was, which I think is more of a red herring, so yeah, totally the Valeyard.
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Kind of wierd that The Silence didn't even come into play with The Question and Trenzalore.
It is very cool, I can't wait till the 50th, Tennant, Smith & Hurt, going to be sweet.
I can understand the ending for the whole shock bit, but the whole clara being lost felt like they cut a couple bits out, the Doctor is talking to her, then ooh a leaf and pop, out of a time stream come here Clara. Felt like there were some rushed bits at the end to get to the reveal and everything toook a bit of a back seat.
It was a bit weird and think they should have shown up considering their presence in the previous series, it would have been sweet to Silents there with Kovarian facing off against The Great Intelligence with the Whisper Men. And some spiel about how they have been trying to stop TGI and The Doctor from reaching this point.
APZonerunner
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I'm pretty sure what was behind that door was the TARDIS exploding/dying. Cloister Bell etc etc. I think when he says "Who else?" it's her, not himself.
Just saw something on Twitter that makes so much sense I'm 100% sure it's true.
Remember The God Complex?
I think we can make a good guess at who was behind that door now.
^It's pretty much been confirmed that it's him, no matter what incarnation it is. Though, having the Hurt Doctor there makes sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRoXBY0kqFo
JonathanEx
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I thought there'd be a weird thing that those nothing people made The Silence or something
This is what is bothering me the most. For all of the Silence Will Fall shit that was in the first two Moffat Series, there's almost no mention of them at all this series. What happened to "Silence will fall when the question is answered"? Hopefully the Silence come into play in the 50th anniversary special.
Also, with everyone debating the whole 13 regeneration limit, doesn't the mention of the Valeyard in this episode (who went crazy because he was so close to his final regeneration/death) essentially confirm that the limit is still canon?
bearythebear
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What happened to the storyline of everyone forgetting who The Doctor is?
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Hot damn until november. Boo
Moff and his terrible job at writing Who, lol
infiniteloop
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Remember The God Complex?
I think we can make a good guess at who was behind that door now.
Who else?
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I kinda think this is the episode Dr Who jumped the shark.
It's so up its own arse in terms of convoluted plot, that's kinda ruining the good moments that do show up in every other episode.
Can't wait for Moffat to be replaced ("Silence shall fall", lol).
It's so up its own arse in terms of convoluted plot, that's kinda ruining the good moments that do show up in every other episode.
Can't wait for Moffat to be replaced ("Silence shall fall", lol).
It kind of happened to those it needed to, The Silence as this big organisation thought they had killed him at the end of series 6, for all they knew any adventures after that around time was his past self. The Daleks had no clue who he was come the first episode of this half of the series and they are easily the biggest bad guys across the show that are around in bulk.
To go back on my previous post further up, it is pretty obvious thinking about it why the Silence didn't show up again in this episode of the series, they still think he is dead and have already stopped him using his name.
He's alright at single series arcs, but for whatever reason he can't successfully carry over one series plotline to the next one. It's frustrating.
But the whole point is that Trenzalore is where Silence (the organization according to the context in which Dorian said this) will fall when the question is answered.
KibblesBits
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Ermahgahd.
These callbacks.
These callbacks.
EleventhDoctor
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I guess there's one in every crowd.
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