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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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If anybody needs me, I'll be sobbing quietly in the corner.
Hot Coldman
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AV Club trashed this episode. C+.
For perspective, they gave Cold War an A.
For perspective, they gave Cold War an A.
IdreamofHIME
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The Elephant Man.
Instead of asking silly questions about John Hurt, just watch The Elephant Man.
what the....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTITzdjF-Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTITzdjF-Gg
equippedwithtowel
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They also gave The Wedding of River Song an A.
That was the point I stopped reading them.
See what you've done, Moffat.
I'm watching the first ep of Trial of a Timelord...
lol'd @ the books (Mo by Dick lol) and I really like the 6th doctor "Why did you stop it at the best bit, I was rather enjoying that"
So the Valeyard somehow after he was created went back to a pre-time lock Gallifrey... somehow?
I shouldn't think so hard about it though...
lol'd @ the books (Mo by Dick lol) and I really like the 6th doctor "Why did you stop it at the best bit, I was rather enjoying that"
So the Valeyard somehow after he was created went back to a pre-time lock Gallifrey... somehow?
I shouldn't think so hard about it though...
Hot Coldman
Banned
seriously, the guy is mental
John Hurt's doctor will use a wand instead of a sonic screwdriver, lol
Since Nine. I've gone back and watched classic stuff, and don't get ME wrong, but I definitely consider this episode miles ahead of almost any classic Who episode, but comparing it to what we've had in the past since Nine, it's kinda not really a standout episode in any way.
What I believe should have been done, was a two parter, wherein one half was devoted to Clara going back and saving the Doctor with new footage of 8/9/10, or hell even just 8/9, with the episode ending with the reveal of John Hurt, and then the second episode being told in reverse order with the plot being more or less what we got in this episode with some longer scenes (and this episode felt edited to bits anyway, so I'm sure lots was left on the cutting room floor.)
Yeah everyone should know him from his role in spaceballs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sBROXalU4
Someone on the doctor who reddit posited the theory that maybe John Hurt's Doctor is actually Mcgann's doctor, but aged heavily (apparently his costume looks similar to the 8th's?). I would be okay with that.
But if that were the case, why wouldn't they just pick Mcgann to star in the role. Eh.
But if that were the case, why wouldn't they just pick Mcgann to star in the role. Eh.
I really wish they hadn't dropped that name. :/ So confusing how they could possibly make it work.
Hot Coldman
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no but moffat is bad lol
APZonerunner
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I think it might end up being irrelevant to the Hurt thing, but something they'll tackle as part of the arc when Smith leaves.
I do agree that it would have been better as a two-parter and then leading into the 50th, my only gripe is that it felt a wee bit rushed.
But that being said I always want more.
John Hurt doctor is wearing clothes from the 8th and the jacket of the 9th. He is the real 9th doctor who regenerated from the 8th. The ones after choose to forget him for the crimes he committed during the timewar. Which seems to be the best theory so far.
How is it confusing? The time stream is everything that's happened in the Doc's past, so the Valeyard just hops out the same hole 11 hops out of. We still don't know how 11 and Clara get out of the stream. (This also leaves it open for future writers to say any character from the Doc's past managed to sneak out)
Bobby Roberts
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Matt sticks around after regenerating and is a dark villainous version of himself for a couple episodes?
equippedwithtowel
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I'm just going to assume the Valeyard will fall victim to Moffat's trend of name dropping things that aren't covered again.
I don't even want to imagine how you could sort out having him in the new series with any continuity.
Is likely, not that I'd be happy with it.
I don't even want to imagine how you could sort out having him in the new series with any continuity.
Is likely, not that I'd be happy with it.
Holy, oh my god that was sick. I really enjoyed the entire episode. Hell it seems like I am one of the few who liked the entire season (except for the scarlet episode). But damn that ending has me so hyped for the 50th. When I heard the rumors about a secret regeneration I was unhapppy, but after the way that they revealed it. Man That was sick!
Hot Coldman
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This'll never happen if he intends to have a career beyond Who (which I'm guessing he does if he's doing Gosling films and shit).
I feel like to make it work there must be more to the 8.5th Doctor than just "he timelocked the Time War." After all, the Doctor has never failed to accept responsibility for it. He's never once said "nope, wasn't me. Wasn't the Doctor."
Seems more likely that after doing so, the Doctor may have gone a bit mental and done some bad shit to compensate. Like Ten towards the end but without stopping himself.
Seems more likely that after doing so, the Doctor may have gone a bit mental and done some bad shit to compensate. Like Ten towards the end but without stopping himself.
It felt VERY rushed. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who noticed one second the Doc and Clara were running up stairs, and the next jump cut they were just standing in front of the door with Vastra and co. We clearly lost a big chunk there due to cuts, and that's just one example of many where the episode seemed incredibly rushed.
Christ. Watch Alien.
StalkerUKCG
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If you felt this was rushed I'd hate to know what your take on the Gaiman episode was. That episode jumped around so much I still don't have a solid grasp on the story.
no, certain posters are just bad at remembering
last episode the cyber planner in the Doctor's head asked him why there wasn't any record of him in the Cyberiad or whatever, and then said "oh you've been erasing yourself from history. You know you could be reconstructed by the hole you've left." Then the Doctor said "Good point. Have to do something about that."
Makes much more sense that he's the actual 9th regeneration but not considered a Doctor thus keeping the current Doctor count intact.
EleventhDoctor
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I can't wait to see the finale of the Anniversary special when 10 and 11 defeat the Hurt Doctor by pointing both their Sonic Screwdrivers at him.
Hot Coldman
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I was taking the piss out of certain posters jumping straight to saying "Moffat sucks!" without bothering to actually think about things. I remember the Cyber-Planner's callback.
equippedwithtowel
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To be fair the timelock did entail a fair bit of genocide. But I think you are probably right on this one
The thing that confuses me is what was the battle like at the place he was buried? It seems implied from the GI that it was the valyard version of the doctor at the battle. Will they resolve it at christmas or will it be brought up when Smith leaves the show? Is it his future or from the 8.5 doctor when he went mad?
Which makes an evil "Alien" jump out of his stomach.
Oh come on the Tenth's Sonic Screwdriver wasn't that powerful.
Exterminieren
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I'm in the comment section, fighting the good fight.
The reviewer plain didn't understand. He didn't know why River was there.
Planet has war with cybermen, use some super universe dissolving thingy which destroys the cybermen's homeworld, prince who doesn't want to be a prince hides on out a world where some strange guy plays chess with hollowed up cybermen. Cybermen have been taking children prisoner, children have somehow upgraded the cybermen? The doc gets infected with mites and then tricks the mites into leaving him, professor flitwick then sets the bomb and teleports everyone off of the planet while all of the cybermen go boom and one soul cybermite survives and flitwick pulls a verne troyer on Clara.
I followed the plot, it was just a bunch of tosh.
(I LOVED the Doctors Wife, besides, ya know, the baddie being such a terribly written character)
It could cut barbed wire!
Box of Bunnies
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Serious contender for best finale of the revived series.
Liked that, even though there was the whole "millions of blah blah whatevers being destroyed" super stakes thing, they were simply a consequence of what was otherwise a more personal conflict rather than the focus.
Fantastic farewell for River (man enough to say I got a little weepy).
Okay resolution for Clara even though it feels like something that should've come after we knew her a little longer. At least it means she can just be Clara going forward instead of being a walking mystery. The stuff with her spliced amongst older footage was fun, and does the bit with her talking to the first Doctor as he nicks the TARDIS technically mean there's a Gallifreyan Clara? Might be something fun to explore in other media.
And holy shit at the Hurt thing. I'd read the spoilers regarding him, but seeing it was another thing all together. November is so far away.
Only issue I had was that the cut from 11 and Clara wandering the catacombs to them being out front of the tomb with GI and friends felt a bit awkward.
Liked that, even though there was the whole "millions of blah blah whatevers being destroyed" super stakes thing, they were simply a consequence of what was otherwise a more personal conflict rather than the focus.
Fantastic farewell for River (man enough to say I got a little weepy).
Okay resolution for Clara even though it feels like something that should've come after we knew her a little longer. At least it means she can just be Clara going forward instead of being a walking mystery. The stuff with her spliced amongst older footage was fun, and does the bit with her talking to the first Doctor as he nicks the TARDIS technically mean there's a Gallifreyan Clara? Might be something fun to explore in other media.
And holy shit at the Hurt thing. I'd read the spoilers regarding him, but seeing it was another thing all together. November is so far away.
Only issue I had was that the cut from 11 and Clara wandering the catacombs to them being out front of the tomb with GI and friends felt a bit awkward.
equippedwithtowel
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It was the final battle that lead to the doctors death, which implies it is where the doctors final form died. A regeneration that the current doctor knows can't have anything to do with it.
Exterminieren
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They were going through the TARDIS. The Doctor remembered the way to the foyer. Clara had the whole scene where she remembered the events of Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. I don't see the problem.
StalkerUKCG
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So why are some people saying he a hidden regen of the doctor? We know every regen 1-11. Do some people think this is Doc8 aged. I could believe that.
What I was more getting at by my comment was that we still don't know if/who does/doesn't remember the doc. I'm assuming the Dalek's and Cybermen don't?
You could count Akhatan, lol
Exterminieren
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Well, the Eleventh Doctor clearly knew him.
I'm inclined to think that the Eleventh Doctor is really the Twelfth Doctor, but he simply doesn't count the Hurt Doctor for whatever reason.
Criticising someone for not resolving a plot that is still demonstrably in motion is a bit kneejerk, no?
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think you have to assume regarding the Daleks - it was explicitly stated/shown that they don't.
The Cybermen/CyberPlanner seemed completely oblivious as to who he was, only that he was a Timelord.
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