Hot Coldman
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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The Elite
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I think that's important. If Amy did indeed write the Afterword close to death then we can say that she most likely never did see The Doctor again. Otherwise, all we know right now is that she didn't see The Doctor up until the moment she wrote the Afterword.
The Elite
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Because River has a motorbike but The Doctor gets stuck in traffic
As far as I know, that only applied to the 1938 that was infested with Angels and included the Winter Quay. Once all that was eliminated by the Paradox, the only reason he couldn't visit the Ponds is because the book said he never visited them (at least until the end of the book). After that, it should be fine.
I'm about to start making charts with straws.
I wouldn't call like, less than 10 seconds of footage a trailer.
You're just grasping at straws that aren't there at this point. The book was already proven to be accurate at the point the Doctor and Amy realized it was true. I'm surprised you're nitpicking this when you're not nitpicking the "Yowza" on the chinese vase, which is way more implausible in my opinion, but I thought it'd be much more enjoyable to just go along with it.
I just chalked this up to the fact that they don't have to move if they don't want to.
APZonerunner
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Watching a making of clip on the website, Moffat mentions that the Christmas special features the return of
They were the best bit of that episode. Immediately 100% more hyped.
The Silurian/human couple/team from A Good Man Goes to War!
Made my heart break...because I know exactly how the Doctor feels.
"I hate endings."
Wha!? YES! THANK YOU BASED MOFFAT!!
PhoncipleBone
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Sontaran nurse disagrees. But those two were the second best.
King of the Potato People
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It would have been more tragic if Rory got taken by the Daleks and turned into a pig slave.
Was nice seeing the Weeping Angels being Weeping Angels, having that creepy side and that original power instead of outright death, and the fact that they essentially stole 11's companions from him.
Nice to see Moffat not water down an enemy of the Doctor like so many have been over the years where they just stop being dangerous.
Nice to see Moffat not water down an enemy of the Doctor like so many have been over the years where they just stop being dangerous.
MisterNegative
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Agreed
The way RTD watered down sontarans was just unforgivable.
Losing to unit ? Really ?
Thought the episode had a very chessy ending tbh.
The way RTD watered down sontarans was just unforgivable.
Losing to unit ? Really ?
Thought the episode had a very chessy ending tbh.
Hot Coldman
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Eh, the Sontarans are lame. I prefer their goofier modern style.
bobs...onGaf
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MisterNegative
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I loved them. Each to their own. You can't deny the power decrease that was given to them though. They went from being able to build spaceships with medival age resources and the only Aliens to invade Gallifrey (Pre time war). To losing to UNIT because they switched to copper bullets. Come on.
Dr Zhivago
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The thing I'm objecting to is the odd sense of fatalism the Doctor develops from a paperback book.
Sontarans were always a bit rubbish. Tom Baker beat one in a fistfight.
BackwardsSuggestions
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While you're all moaning about plot holes, I'd like to point out that Alex Kingston has a magnificent chest.
I have a chance!
I have a chance!
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What was the point of it anyways?
Hot Coldman
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Well, no-one's going to escape the Angel's Quay if there's something that ruddy huge guarding it, are they?
Incendiary
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Yeah, I do like that this episode proved the Angels to be still dangerous and creepy. It adds to the mythology that they successfully broke the Doctor away from his companions. None of the other companions leaving really were because of a monster's gambit being successful. While the Angels didn't "win," the Doctor didn't "win" either.
The Angels are pretty tough overall. I mean...so far they've been stopped by getting tricked into an infinite loop, getting sucked into a crack in the universe and being erased from existence, and being destroyed by a paradox. They're made of some tough stuff.
Angel building was erased from existence. One surviving angel send them both just in past, regular style [like in Blink].
King of the Potato People
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It's just one of those ideas like Earth being driven, or the Cyber King that sounded good cool to the writer but doesn't really make sense.
River wrote the book, Amy published it.
Hot Coldman
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They'd go out with a fight.
Ventilaator
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Disclaimer: The following opinion was formed immediately after watching the episode. It may not reflect how I will feel about it after I've gotten some sleep. It's like 1am here.
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What an embarassing piece of shit of an episode. Jesus fuck.
Hey, angels are scary again! Except when not. They really should have clarified which angels are the scary ones. The characters flip-flopped from being scared shitless because an angel was around to not even trying to keep their eyes on one.
And here's River. She says "Husband!" now instead of "Spoilers!" so that's new!
The angels are coming after Rory! Specifically only Rory for some reason! If he could jump off a building, it would create a paradox and save him somehow! Quickly Amy, you jump off the building as well because it's way more dramatic this way!
...and so on and so forth. It seemed like Moffat had an ending written and couldn't wait for everyone to see it so he quickly cobbled together some lazy mess to explain what lead up to the finale.
The episode was so bad that it made me not want to follow this show every week anymore. I'll let the season run out and watch it all in one go because between Moffat taking a dump on a piece of paper and calling it a script there will always be some actually competent writers to write some good episodes. Honestly, can't wait for Moffat to get the hell away from this show. RTD wrote a couple awful endings, but I can't remember an episode of his that made me roll my eyes for the entire runtime. I'd take doctor-Jesus over this any day.
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What an embarassing piece of shit of an episode. Jesus fuck.
Hey, angels are scary again! Except when not. They really should have clarified which angels are the scary ones. The characters flip-flopped from being scared shitless because an angel was around to not even trying to keep their eyes on one.
And here's River. She says "Husband!" now instead of "Spoilers!" so that's new!
The angels are coming after Rory! Specifically only Rory for some reason! If he could jump off a building, it would create a paradox and save him somehow! Quickly Amy, you jump off the building as well because it's way more dramatic this way!
...and so on and so forth. It seemed like Moffat had an ending written and couldn't wait for everyone to see it so he quickly cobbled together some lazy mess to explain what lead up to the finale.
The episode was so bad that it made me not want to follow this show every week anymore. I'll let the season run out and watch it all in one go because between Moffat taking a dump on a piece of paper and calling it a script there will always be some actually competent writers to write some good episodes. Honestly, can't wait for Moffat to get the hell away from this show. RTD wrote a couple awful endings, but I can't remember an episode of his that made me roll my eyes for the entire runtime. I'd take doctor-Jesus over this any day.
EleventhDoctor
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Don't feed the trolls.
They got married at the end of last season after all, maybe not with a 100% completed ceremony, but still close enough.
I would just like to say... LOL. That is all.
Exterminieren
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Just iPlayered.
The tears started in Rory's room, and didn't stop until the end. The Doctor slumped, facing away from the camera as Amy interacted with the old Rory got me bad.
Speaking of which; holy mother of fuck were Smith, Gillan and Darvill amazing in this episode.
Hang on, have to gather myself...
The tears started in Rory's room, and didn't stop until the end. The Doctor slumped, facing away from the camera as Amy interacted with the old Rory got me bad.
Speaking of which; holy mother of fuck were Smith, Gillan and Darvill amazing in this episode.
Hang on, have to gather myself...
King of the Potato People
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It was high-art compared to fecking Jesus Doctor and the Master dancing.
Duebrithil
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but (pre-opening spoilers)
Maybe it's just a random sound effect but I can't help but feel this is some Flesh and Stone jacket level thing going on.
In any case I think it's a pretty good episode to close the first batch of episodes, although I'm kinda bummed I'll have to wait until Christmas for more Who.
At least there's this, more
is a good thing.
what's with the sonic screwdriver-like sound when the doors to the Winter Quay open for the detective?
In any case I think it's a pretty good episode to close the first batch of episodes, although I'm kinda bummed I'll have to wait until Christmas for more Who.
At least there's this, more
Vastra
I liked the book/storyline interaction, it's a very Moffaty idea. Was thinking that it was a bit sad that Rory never got to say goodbye, but then realised old Rory did exactly that earlier in the episode.
Christmas episode will also haveNurse Strax!
Is this confirmed!? This years Christmas episode is going to be awesome.
It's definitely not River's end, since we've already seen that. Plus she's off doing her own thing at the end so she's still alive.
Dunno how the last Angel survived, maybe it was there the whole time? They had already been to the graveyard. Either that, or it came with the Doctor/Amy/Rory/River after the paradox.
Exterminieren
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Yep.
In fact, all three seem to be recurring characters in the Special and the second half of the series.
In fact, all three seem to be recurring characters in the Special and the second half of the series.
There are so many ways around the "fixed" time caused by the book/gravestone that it doesn't really make sense for the Doctor to act like it's something that has absolutely happened and can't be changed. What if, after Amy writes the book (or even before, she can write whatever she likes after all) the Doctor comes to pick them up, then goes and plants a fake gravestone in the cemetery with their names on it? No paradox, Amy and Rory are fine.
Having said that, I enjoyed this episode. Think part of what made the Angels work so well again was having them not move on screen again. That was where the 2-parter messed up, in my opinion. Makes them much more sinister when you can't see them moving.
Having said that, I enjoyed this episode. Think part of what made the Angels work so well again was having them not move on screen again. That was where the 2-parter messed up, in my opinion. Makes them much more sinister when you can't see them moving.
King of the Potato People
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The Silence must be on holiday this year.
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