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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Dammit, Moffat... Stop trying to make me happy!!
Lol, one question was:
Person: "Why do you think the Angels have been taken into the public's heart, like the Dalek's before them?"
Moffat: "RTD thinks it's because they can both go up stairs."
Yep, sounds like RTD.
^ He said "they both can't go upstairs", i think.
Doctor said that the last angel has barely survived.
Cant wait to see the scene when Doctor comes to River, knowing that this will be their last meeting.
"You turned up on my doorstep with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Derillium to see the singing towers, what a night that was. The towers sang and you cried. You would not tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the library."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Yssg1FBYg&feature=related
T_T In that meeting, Doctor will most surely say "Hush now... spoilers." to her.
Doctor said that the last angel has barely survived.
Cant wait to see the scene when Doctor comes to River, knowing that this will be their last meeting.
"You turned up on my doorstep with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Derillium to see the singing towers, what a night that was. The towers sang and you cried. You would not tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the library."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Yssg1FBYg&feature=related
T_T In that meeting, Doctor will most surely say "Hush now... spoilers." to her.
APZonerunner
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So now we have...
Christmas
7 more episodes
Undisclosed number of anniversary specials in late 2013 (probably 2 - the anniversary is in November)
Christmas
Series 8?
Is that right?
He may change his mind, but Moffat said he didn't necessarily want to show this scene on screen, and may leave it to people's imagination of that description. I hope the last time we see her we get a reprise of "The Greatest Story Never Told," the piece that is used when she dies.
EDIT: For a fun River tidbit, do you guys know that her space gun in the Library episodes is the same one Captain Jack has in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances? The idea is that Jack left it in the TARDIS during The Parting of the Ways - we never see it again - and River loots it as a cool accessory.
Christmas
7 more episodes
Undisclosed number of anniversary specials in late 2013 (probably 2 - the anniversary is in November)
Christmas
Series 8?
Is that right?
He may change his mind, but Moffat said he didn't necessarily want to show this scene on screen, and may leave it to people's imagination of that description. I hope the last time we see her we get a reprise of "The Greatest Story Never Told," the piece that is used when she dies.
EDIT: For a fun River tidbit, do you guys know that her space gun in the Library episodes is the same one Captain Jack has in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances? The idea is that Jack left it in the TARDIS during The Parting of the Ways - we never see it again - and River loots it as a cool accessory.
Well then, the episode itself was solid, but damn the ending was excellent. I'm fucking crushed we won't see them again. To me, Amy and Rory are as essential to the show as The Doctor is. Though I'm not some major super DW fan, more a fan of the current show. The Tennant era (not because of Tennant) was meh for me, it got really good with Matt Smith and Amy/Rory.
Exterminieren
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Fuck it, I'm watching The Eleventh Hour again.
I am so very glad they didn't show the statue of liberty actually moving. That would have completely ruined the episode and it was a dumb idea poorly executed as is. The only bad thing in a fantastic episode, imo.
I went back and lolled at The Next Doctor after this episode because of it. God that was bad. So bad I usually just shove it out of my memory.
Good sendoff. If they reverse it like they did Rose I will kill someone. Also I guess it does give rise to the possibility of Amy and Rory raising River after she regenerates in New York. She has to get to Leadworth somehow. I'm glad they just left that open rather than making anything like it explicit, though.
I remember reading that somewhere, always liked that idea. It's something River would do as well, the Doctor wouldn't notice a missing gun after all.
After watching that clip, one thing stood out. Ten says there's only one reason and one time he would tell someone his name, and since we now know it's not their wedding, (I think Moffat confirmed that?) when exactly will that be?
He has to tell her, so it will happen on screen.
DrForester
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Other Tidbit: Alex Kingston played a character named Miranda Pond in a Law and Order SVU episode in 2009, well before her character's origin was known.
Hot Coldman
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I can see the plot for the Question from a mile away- something will be locked up, and can only be unlocked by saying the password- the password being the Doctor's name.
Now that could be interesting. Doctor Who, after all.
The only problem I see with this is that no one knows his name, apart from him and River. And all mention of him was wiped from the Universe by Oswin.Green Scar said:
Indeed. Although I still think she'll leave the Library sooner or later. No way the Doctor would give her a screwdriver just to upload her to a computer, I've always thought there's a bit more to that. Although I'd be perfectly happy if I was wrong.
King of the Potato People
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Exterminieren
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I liked the Cyber King.
I wish I could forget.
I remember watching it at the time and feeling pretty ok with the episode for most of it. Then this happened and it was suddenly like I was watching Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future. Except dumber.
I guess it was better than this, though, from Tom Baker's first serial:
But they is time locked, hopefully forever. Plus we know Moffat doesn't want to use them. The Master on the other hand... I expect he knows the Doctor's name. There's so many different directions this could go. I mean, the Fields of Tranzalore, The Question, the fall of the Eleventh. Could be the Silence, the Daleks, The Master, hell, even the Dream Lord.The Time Lords did! It can be the Genesis Ark all over again
Hot Coldman
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OK, here's my theory for how this could go down (warning, this is basically fan fiction):
- Time Lords park an emergency vault of Gallifreyan tech/weapons/science/whatever on a rock somewhere in space at the beginning of the Time War, in case of they lose
- Vault is protected by password
- The Master is still in the Time War, right? And he's fucking pissed at the Time Lords for what they did to him. Master learns about the vault, wants it dead (so there's no way they can reform), knows destroying it would just make the Time Lords build another one (and bring attention to himself) so he changes password to the Doctor's name
-Master escapes the Time War, sets his sights on killing the Doctor so that there's absolutely no chance any sort of attempt at building a new Gallifrey can be started
-Establishes the Silence via bullshitting about the Doctor's power and the contents of the Vault
-Eventually loses control of the group to the alien Silence
From there, the Doctor's eventually going to blow his cover anyway- the Master could just resort to trying to track down the Doctor and take him out manually, whilst the Silence catch up with him and all hell breaks lose.
Obviously I'm making up one of about a million directions this could go, but I dunno, I really like the idea of the Master being behind the Silence. And I can't see any other use for the Doctor's name than it being a key to something.
As with last episode, everything was pretty goodamazing until the ending kind of came out of nowhere. I mean, okay, yeah, it was set up, it's plausible within the universe, etc; just... it was more of a shocking swerve and the melodrama that followed was so sudden it came off badly. (Obviously there were undercurrents of 'bad end' throughout, but it still felt 'oh whelp' to me
The fake paradox was excellent though, but the graveyard was too idyllic to be real ;__;
The fake paradox was excellent though, but the graveyard was too idyllic to be real ;__;
APZonerunner
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The name, like the Master, is chosen, not given. That can be discerned by dialogue in new Who Series 3 where the Doctor/Master briefly discuss what their choice of names say about each other. So he chose that title, because that's how he sees himself. Simple as.
I'm guessing you're talking about the plan they had late in the show.. very late in Who's original existence before it was axed. The show runners felt that too much had been taken from the Doctor's mystique by having Time Lord society be a major part of it. They hatched a plot to make him more mysterious by having him be "more" than a regular Time Lord, but the show got the boot before they could do it.
Long story short, it was that he was one of the people behind the very creation of Time Lord society, but something had happened to wipe that from memories or whatever.
All of this never got that far in the series and was continued in the expanded universe after the show went off air - books etc. Most of the new series contradicts it, thus wiping it out of the continuity. They got rid of the Time Lords, and thus that shackling leash on The Doctor, via the off-screen war. They never need to revisit this.
:lol
ScreenSplitter
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My god, I'm fucking traumatised. Think that's the most I've cried at something fictional ever.
Not having them raise Melody, or at least shipping her off to England was a huge mistake though. And the amount of me shouting "Rory Williams, do not fucking go in there" was ridiculous.
Not having them raise Melody, or at least shipping her off to England was a huge mistake though. And the amount of me shouting "Rory Williams, do not fucking go in there" was ridiculous.
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So why wasn't Amy's name always on the grave (other than the dramatic effect), If Amy was the publisher who got River's story published than her going back was fixed the entire time, just like with Rory.
ScreenSplitter
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Because we know originally, at some point, Rory was meant to live out his days in that room, dying of old age. That doesn't happen. Rory & Amy made conscious decisions to prevent that future, creating a paradox.
Hot Coldman
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That sounds fucking awful. :lol
Rory read it, so it was fixed, I guess. She got to choose, anyway.
Rory read it, so it was fixed, I guess. She got to choose, anyway.
Did the camera pan down before?
Do you think Moffat will try to tie this into The Question?
It really seems like thats the only thing he could do. Otherwise it would just be a massive copout.
Moffat has shown an inclination to just out and out break the rules for finales, so I wouldn't be too surprised to see the Ponds/Williams turn up again for a glorious time warpy extravanganza. I would appreciate it if he didn't break the entire universe though.
/edit oh shit Brian Williams must be pissed especially after last episode
/edit oh shit Brian Williams must be pissed especially after last episode
Little Old Man
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Best episode of the series, though the rest weren't up to much. Good set up and definitely a good exit, but this really needed a 2 parter, or at the very least 60 minutes.
Hot Coldman
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Prepare for a cop-out, then.
The Question is a lock and the answer is the key. Mark your fucking calendars, people.
ScreenSplitter
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It's still weird for me the complete lack of some maternal/paternal relationship between Rory/Amy/River. Between a few lazy "Mother"s and "family outing" reference, I never really bought it.
My hopes for S7 Part 2 (Again, it's fucking beyond dumb that something show in "series" is in parts...), Matt Smith doesn't spend too long moping about Rory/Amy like post-Rose Eleven. That was unbearable for a long time. Also, in the way we got Wilfred as a temporary companion, I hope Brian comes along for an explanatory, conciliatory adventure. Hopefully one where he finds out a certain someone is his Granddaughter.
My hopes for S7 Part 2 (Again, it's fucking beyond dumb that something show in "series" is in parts...), Matt Smith doesn't spend too long moping about Rory/Amy like post-Rose Eleven. That was unbearable for a long time. Also, in the way we got Wilfred as a temporary companion, I hope Brian comes along for an explanatory, conciliatory adventure. Hopefully one where he finds out a certain someone is his Granddaughter.
Hot Coldman
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The Doctor in Westeros?
ScreenSplitter
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You know what, fuck that noise. Moffat isn't RTD, and we won't be getting the "Doctor Who All-Stars Family Reunion!" that was Journey's End. The episode was incredibly poignant, and the mingled sadness and relief that they lived happily through 20th Century New York was just brilliant. Plus, Moffat likes to move on. We'll probably get a tonne of references to Amy & Rory, especially considering the Doctor is still married to their daughter (under what law, I don't know).
If Amy shows up in two years touting a massive gun and blowing up Daleks, I'm going to find some way of shutting down the damn BBC.
Hot Coldman
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I hope they died before the millenium, 9/11 would be a fucking bummer to have as one of the last things you see.
ScreenSplitter
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Maybe 9/11 was originally much worse, but Amy & Rory have made it much less catastrophic...?
Hot Coldman
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How could it be worse? D:
APZonerunner
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We won't get The Doctor's real name, if that's what you mean, ever. I imagine the question "Doctor Who" will have some sort of twist on it where it isn't quite as literal as it seems. Already, it's changing meaning - it's no longer "Doctor Who?" as in what is his name but "Doctor Who?!" as in who IS this person we literally know nothing about him. The Doctor and others tampering with time and memories and databases to delete himself and be forgotten is probably what will bite back and ultimately kill the Eleventh Doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if things snap back to a template where he's more known (though perhaps not quite as well known) at the end, too, as when asked about why he wiped out the Daleks' memory of all the amazing things he's done to them and all their defeats, he suggested people remain calm and wait.
This beat has been repeated throughout the series; the Daleks, River today -- we're not about to find out more in depth details about him.
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Best episode ever.
Fits perfectly in The Ponds Trilogy:
- Amy's Choice
- The Girl Who waited
- The Angels Take Manhattan
All three deal with Rory/Amy and their relationships with The Doctor.
You could show these three episodes to one person and it would all fit perfectly.
My Sunday plans are sorted
Fits perfectly in The Ponds Trilogy:
- Amy's Choice
- The Girl Who waited
- The Angels Take Manhattan
All three deal with Rory/Amy and their relationships with The Doctor.
You could show these three episodes to one person and it would all fit perfectly.
My Sunday plans are sorted
I've been thinking about this since the episode ended and your explanation makes the most sense.
The Doctor will save the universe and his legend will be re-established. I'd still like to learn more about his character but that doesn't seem likely.
I'm not reading the past posts yet as it has yet to air on BBC America, but this special about Doctor Who in America had some behind the scenes stuff for the episode. Showing how many fans gathered around to see them and how humble Matt, Karen and Arthur feel. Going on how much they love the city now.
Next they're going to talk about The Chase, oh hey they're actually recognizing the classic series on these specials.
Next they're going to talk about The Chase, oh hey they're actually recognizing the classic series on these specials.
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