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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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I thought it was sweet seeing 10 revisit his old companions, but in retrospect, extremely overdone.
That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Williamses in old age getting a visit from The Doctor at some point before he regenerates into 12. Not in a "farewell tour" kind of trip like 10 did, though. Maybe even just watching them from afar to see how they're doing. He said he can't see them again, but I'm sure there's some timey wimey stuff that he can put at play. Maybe borrow River's vortex manipulator to get the job done.
That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Williamses in old age getting a visit from The Doctor at some point before he regenerates into 12. Not in a "farewell tour" kind of trip like 10 did, though. Maybe even just watching them from afar to see how they're doing. He said he can't see them again, but I'm sure there's some timey wimey stuff that he can put at play. Maybe borrow River's vortex manipulator to get the job done.
BBC America kind of ruined the whole "let's get out of this by committing suicide" thing for me with their damn commercial which prominently displayed Rory and Amy jumping off a building. Bleh. Other than that (and the background looking kind of weird when they were falling) I definitely enjoyed the episode.
It's near the end of the episode, not the scene after she packs up and goes to sit out in the yard. After the Doctor leaves to take the TARDIS out for a spin once its finished rebuilding itself we cut to Amelia sitting and waiting, the TARDIS noise, her looking up and smiling, and then Amy wakes up hearing that noise.
So it went from being a dream to being a memory.
That's good to know to be honest.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Tremendous episode. Only thing that didn't work is the Statue of Liberty. It served no purpose other than a sight gag and made no sense. If they had even said the Angels had the ability to convert statues into one of their own it would get a pass...
That being said my ratings for this season:
Asylum A
Dinosaurs A
Mercy C
Three B
Angels A
That being said my ratings for this season:
Asylum A
Dinosaurs A
Mercy C
Three B
Angels A
Are you talking New Who only? Because the Hinchcliffe era was something special. Moffat is good, but is he Holmes good?
Same ratings for me.
Also, the Doctor did imply that the angels had been converting statues when he asked River how much the angels had taken over or something. The exact quote implies it more than I'm making it out to be lol
Box of Bunnies
Banned
We had the mid-series break last year, too, it just wasn't in a way that spread it over two years. Tennant's last year was a one-off, not the norm. With two of three series having breaks, it's becoming the standard for the show under the Moff.
Yeah, British seasons tend to be shorter than American ones. That's not the issue. When you only get six episodes a year you know what you're getting. This is a standard season of what used to run in one block over a few months being broken in the middle for no discernible reason.
piratepwnsninja
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The Doctor does mention this.
So the continuity is that the Doctor came back, told her the stories, she fell back asleep, then the Doctor from the second big bang comes later, picks her up and brings her to bed, and then he leaves too?
My personal ratings:
Asylum of the Daleks - A
Great start the series, amazed that Jenna-Louise Coleman's appearance was kept a surprise, good twist. Amy and Rory's divorce (while briefly shown in Pond Life) felt rushed and on-a-whim. Dancing Dalek was odd, but overall solid episode. I like that the Doctor's file had been erased, and has been something of a point of interest for each episode afterwards.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - B+
Dinosaurs! On a spaceship! Outlandish setting that totally works. Guest companions Queen Nefertiti and Riddell were amusing, but not necessarily memorable, but Mark Williams as Rory's dad Brian was great. Seeing the Doctor abandon Solomon to die was a turn for the dark side, but it was interesting seeing the Doctor willing to leave someone to their death. Kind of a throwback to the 10th Doctor's "no second chances" line.
A Town Called Mercy - B
I really enjoyed the western setting. It was interesting seeing the Doctor battle with a moral dilemma. I didn't care for the towns people, since there was no effort made into giving the audience some connection to them. My B rating is mostly attributed for the setting, really. The comedy was in good form, too.
The Power of Three - B+
LOVED this episode. I'd give it an A if the ending wasn't so unsatisfying. Seeing Amy and Rory living double lives as a married couple and the Doctor's companion was done quite well. Mark Williams makes another great guest appearance as Rory's dad, and having a meatier role than in "Dinosaurs".
The Angels Take Manhattan - A
Great bookend to a great first half. The Weeping Angels clearly weren't the focus, and Amy and Rory's departure was. The way they left was well written and is one of the few times Doctor Who has gotten a strong emotion response from me. Moffat couldn't have written a better send-off to the Williamses (they ain't Ponds anymore!) in the story's constraints. It was touching and bittersweet seeing Rory's name empty on the gravestone, then all of a sudden seeing Amy's right under as his beloved wife. Top it off with her being named as "Amelia Williams", and both of them living up to the ripe old ages of 82 and 87 respectively.
Now, bring on Souffle Girl!
Asylum of the Daleks - A
Great start the series, amazed that Jenna-Louise Coleman's appearance was kept a surprise, good twist. Amy and Rory's divorce (while briefly shown in Pond Life) felt rushed and on-a-whim. Dancing Dalek was odd, but overall solid episode. I like that the Doctor's file had been erased, and has been something of a point of interest for each episode afterwards.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - B+
Dinosaurs! On a spaceship! Outlandish setting that totally works. Guest companions Queen Nefertiti and Riddell were amusing, but not necessarily memorable, but Mark Williams as Rory's dad Brian was great. Seeing the Doctor abandon Solomon to die was a turn for the dark side, but it was interesting seeing the Doctor willing to leave someone to their death. Kind of a throwback to the 10th Doctor's "no second chances" line.
A Town Called Mercy - B
I really enjoyed the western setting. It was interesting seeing the Doctor battle with a moral dilemma. I didn't care for the towns people, since there was no effort made into giving the audience some connection to them. My B rating is mostly attributed for the setting, really. The comedy was in good form, too.
The Power of Three - B+
LOVED this episode. I'd give it an A if the ending wasn't so unsatisfying. Seeing Amy and Rory living double lives as a married couple and the Doctor's companion was done quite well. Mark Williams makes another great guest appearance as Rory's dad, and having a meatier role than in "Dinosaurs".
The Angels Take Manhattan - A
Great bookend to a great first half. The Weeping Angels clearly weren't the focus, and Amy and Rory's departure was. The way they left was well written and is one of the few times Doctor Who has gotten a strong emotion response from me. Moffat couldn't have written a better send-off to the Williamses (they ain't Ponds anymore!) in the story's constraints. It was touching and bittersweet seeing Rory's name empty on the gravestone, then all of a sudden seeing Amy's right under as his beloved wife. Top it off with her being named as "Amelia Williams", and both of them living up to the ripe old ages of 82 and 87 respectively.
Now, bring on Souffle Girl!
brucewaynegretzky
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Lies. Tennant >>> Smith.
Also 10 went against the Master. The stories just felt more epic under RTD.
I didn't really want it to end that way. I mean, yeah, it HAD to end, and yeah, it wasn't the most tragic way ever, but for crying out loud, is Martha the only companion the Doctor has
This one of my major complaints with that scene. There's no resolution to it! Does The Doctor really just leave the Angel who "killed" Amy get away with it? Without even a speech?
I also agree with this. Like, honestly, it was pretty dumb. Oh hey this angel survived no explanation and oh no idea what happens after Amy uses it to escape!
I cannot honestly think of a worse way to get rid of such a beloved character. At least have the decency to FINISH THE DAMN SCENE.
who doesn't meet some terrible fate?
This one of my major complaints with that scene. There's no resolution to it! Does The Doctor really just leave the Angel who "killed" Amy get away with it? Without even a speech?
I also agree with this. Like, honestly, it was pretty dumb. Oh hey this angel survived no explanation and oh no idea what happens after Amy uses it to escape!
I cannot honestly think of a worse way to get rid of such a beloved character. At least have the decency to FINISH THE DAMN SCENE.
Rose ended up in the parallel universe with a rich dad, and eventually the Doctor's clone. So, she doesn't really end up with a terrible fate.
Martha spent a year doing a mission for the Doctor, that's pretty torturous. And it all got wiped away after the Doctor pretty much erased that part of time and restored everything as if it had never happened. Shitty deal.
Martha spent a year doing a mission for the Doctor, that's pretty torturous. And it all got wiped away after the Doctor pretty much erased that part of time and restored everything as if it had never happened. Shitty deal.
piratepwnsninja
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Fixed.
Seriously, yoda doctor plus, "if we all believe!" was some of the most eye rolling tv I'd ever seen.
Rose got her Dad back and managed to hook up with Doctor clone.
Donna lost her memory but oh well, now she's happily married and rich too after winning the lottery.
I think most of them turn out happy actually, just with some unfortunate side stuff. It's mostly the Doctor that feels all the pain.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I guess so, yeah. But still, I mean, geez. All I said going into this was "Please don't let this be like Donna" and boy I wish it HAD been because at least Donna's parting I felt something more than "Good God that's an awful exit for an amazing character".
You spent how many episodes preparing the audience for this and developing the Doctor's character for this just so you could have it be a LOL PSYCHE moment?
I never hated Moffat before this moment, but I will forever hate him for this.
GillianSeed79
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Was that the Tom Baker-era Who? I admitedly didn't get in to who until the season one reboot, but after that ended I was so starved for Who that I'd watch PBS every Saturday night, well morning actually, because Who didn't come on until like 1 am. I caught a bunch of Tom Baker episodes and he's one of my favorite doctors.
You think Donna's was better than Amy's? Man I don't get that on any level. Donna had basically become a time lord and had all that ripped away from her, along with her memories and any character development, to be turned into her old unhappy self. Married and winning the lottery wouldn't have made old Donna happy any more than it would new, she went with the Doctor because her life was wrong.
Amy has Rory and a full life ahead of her with everything she learned and saw fully intact. All she lost is the Doctor, and everyone loses him eventually. And usually not with any say in the matter.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Decent episode. First time I've liked a Moffat story since...A Christmas Carol?
I think the ending ran on a bit too long, but the first 30 minutes or so were pretty creepy and atmospheric. Nothing world shattering, but I enjoyed the experience. Aside from the dreadful Asylum of the Daleks, I enjoyed every episode from this mini-season. A pleasant change from last year.
I think the ending ran on a bit too long, but the first 30 minutes or so were pretty creepy and atmospheric. Nothing world shattering, but I enjoyed the experience. Aside from the dreadful Asylum of the Daleks, I enjoyed every episode from this mini-season. A pleasant change from last year.
piratepwnsninja
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Kuwambara values different things in Who than a lot of people. Derailing the thread to find out how and why for the 15 billionth time isn't productive. There's like 800 posts on it in last season's thread.
I genuinely believe he's not a troll and he really does like Doctor Who.
piratepwnsninja
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Cool. Wasn't trying to derail. I'd just not seen that opinion expressed before so it was a bit jarring. It's cool that people can enjoy things for different reasons though, and Doctor Who is definitely one of those shows that happens to have this happen quite a bit.
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Yeah, RTD's Who.
GillianSeed79
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Daww, I feel so bad for Rory's dad. I kind of wish they'd go with a non-Earth girl companion next time just so I don't have to think about loose ends like this. The doctor does seem like an evil, selfish dick sometimes.
Daww, I feel so bad for Rory's dad. I kind of wish they'd go with a non-Earth girl companion next time just so I don't have to think about loose ends like this. The doctor does seem like an evil, selfish dick sometimes.
Nononono.
I think Donna's exit was better written than Amy's. Amy had the rest of her life with Rory and all that jazz, but the way it was written was terrible. It was all "Yay! A winner is you!" and then "LOL UNEXPLAINED ANGEL SAYS NO."
Donna's ending was given time for the viewer to see it coming, feel it, and move on. Amy's ending happened in like, ten seconds. Donna got the short end of the stick in terms of what happened, but she got the better deal when it came to delivery.
Rodney McKay
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So were they trapped in the hotel room for the last 40 years of their lives, or did they get to leave and do stuff and the Angels would just keep teleporting them back to the same place/time after a while?
I don't know, I thought this episode felt kinda weird overall. I guess I didn't care how the Ponds left him (voluntarily/forced/dead/etc.), I just wanted to see what effect it had on the Doctor and I don't felt like they did a good job of that. He got a bit mad, and got a bit sad, but oh hey Amy wrote a nice letter to make him feel better and River is still around (not for long if she's a professor now!), so turn that frown upside-down! Honestly, they did a better job of getting me emotionally invested in the brand new woman in Asylum of the Daleks and her story than they did with the death of the Ponds who have been in the last 2.5 seasons!
I guess I wanted to see the Doctor just get emotionally broken. He's so peppy and cheerful since hooking up with the Ponds that I felt like turning him into a more bitter/angry Doctor would be really cool to see, at least temporarily.
And the very end just seemed stupid. He goes and visits her during that period where she isn't suppose to have seen him again until she's an adult? Da fuk?
I don't know, I thought this episode felt kinda weird overall. I guess I didn't care how the Ponds left him (voluntarily/forced/dead/etc.), I just wanted to see what effect it had on the Doctor and I don't felt like they did a good job of that. He got a bit mad, and got a bit sad, but oh hey Amy wrote a nice letter to make him feel better and River is still around (not for long if she's a professor now!), so turn that frown upside-down! Honestly, they did a better job of getting me emotionally invested in the brand new woman in Asylum of the Daleks and her story than they did with the death of the Ponds who have been in the last 2.5 seasons!
I guess I wanted to see the Doctor just get emotionally broken. He's so peppy and cheerful since hooking up with the Ponds that I felt like turning him into a more bitter/angry Doctor would be really cool to see, at least temporarily.
And the very end just seemed stupid. He goes and visits her during that period where she isn't suppose to have seen him again until she's an adult? Da fuk?
FlutterPuffs
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I was surprised that Amy Pond looked a bit chubby in this episode.
And then I realized her face might be puffed up because she has been crying too much.
And then I realized her face might be puffed up because she has been crying too much.
Over on Reddit someone mentioned that Amy thought that the return visit was a dream. I'm a little confused as to how they came up with that explanation,
The doctor doesn't know what she looks like..
Exterminieren
Banned
The audience thought it was a dream.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Rough transcript of me watching this episode: "Ohhh. Haha. Hah. No. NO. NOOOO. NOOOO. NOOOOOOOO. Oh! ... FUCK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO."
Very effective to have Blink-style fates for people who weren't appearing only in one episode.
Very effective to have Blink-style fates for people who weren't appearing only in one episode.
As fans in the time of Internet, it is difficult to do this. I did experience something like this a few years ago; the odd case of a show I cared enough to watch, but not enough to follow any background information on. An exciting middle ground.Randdalf said:
I can accept that their interactions aren't anything like a normal family's, since they aren't anything like a normal family. Even in real-world cases of people being separated for decades after birth, it never turns out that the kid secretly grew up with the parents, ended up older and more experienced, and married one parent's "imaginary friend".ScreenSplitter said:
IdreamofHIME
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L&O is has a new season in the works, but Freema might not be back coz it clashes with filming for HBO's prequel show to Sex and the City....which she's also been cast in.
That was quite sad to watch, it was easy to forget that these guys spend a lot of time with each other that you don't see on screen.
Looking back I think I would prefer every new regeneration to have a new companion, it is a fresh start and is nice to see them grow together.
I think there's value to both ways. I'm glad Who is a show that can accommodate both approaches.
Actually, that reminds me of something I loved about this episode: The vases.
No, I'm not actually talking about the use of them to send a message. Something more subtle.
Amy has read in the book that the Doctor has to break something because the story demands it, and then it goes into a situation where they're messing about with vases; the viewer is led to the thought that they're going to have to smash a vase because that's what the story demands... and then, a few scenes later, the reality hits.
Now *that's* a good bait-and-switch.
I *think* the name "Williams" symbolises 'moving on from the Doctor'. It was flagged up in The God Complex (Amy's a Williams in that one when he's trying to break her faith in him)
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