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DS Dictionary "Rakuhiki Jiten" commercial

This is the greatest "non-game" so far.

All I have to do is show this to my boss once, and I can play Kirby all day long she wont know the difference!
 
So, it's worth for everybody which want learn some kanji (and already know hiragana e katakana), drawing kanji with the touch screen ?
 
Jonnyram said:
torauma (trauma) = tora (tiger) + uma (horse)
tonikaku (anyway) = to (rabbit) ni (on) kaku (horn)

Hey Jonny (or anyone) -- do you know what exactly the association with Shigesato Itoi is?

The best I can make of it is that it includes a sort of built-in "ヨメナ語" browser with content taken from his site.

My copy should be here today or tomorrow, so I guess I'll know better then.
 
Does this have any other word games in it besides the ヨメナ語 quiz thing? I don't need another dictionary, but if it has other games that test your language skill I might want to check it out.
 
I saw this commercial last night! I totally understood the first one but the second lost me until I saw this thread, haha. Good commercial though. Any CM with school girls gets the thumbs up!
 
brandonnn said:
Hey Jonny (or anyone) -- do you know what exactly the association with Shigesato Itoi is?

The best I can make of it is that it includes a sort of built-in "ヨメナ語" browser with content taken from his site.
Yeah, that's what it is. It's a bunch of words that are hard to read, and you can broadcast them over pictochat to test your friends. That's what the second part of the ad is showing.

BugCatcher said:
Does this have any other word games in it besides the ヨメナ語 quiz thing? I don't need another dictionary, but if it has other games that test your language skill I might want to check it out.
I haven't found any other word games yet, but it has a comic book function, so you have 50 pages of pictochat in your book which you can flip over quickly to animate (and I think this is all saved too).
 
too bad Nintendo did not think of coming out with a Japanese > English Dictionary
:(

I may still try and get this to see if it would help at all in my learning
 
Smiles and Cries said:
too bad Nintendo did not think of coming out with a Japanese > English Dictionary
It does Japanese > English, English > Japanese, Japanese definitions, and a ton of definitions of English abbreviations too.
 
How's the dictionary? Because if it's as good as some of those 30,000 yen electronic ones, I'd definitely pick this up just for that feature.
 
Reno said:
How's the dictionary? Because if it's as good as some of those 30,000 yen electronic ones, I'd definitely pick this up just for that feature.
It's the regular Sanseido dictionary. English to Japanese has 93,000 entries, J->E has 70,000, J dictionary has 70,000 too.

Bear in mind the E->J dictionary doesn't contain furigana so it might be hard for you to read the Japanese.
 
Kinda makes me feel dumb for buying a 20,000ÂĄ denshi jisho last year. -_-
It does let you draw the kanji to look them up right? If so I'm so fucking sold. I have a program on my PDA that does it, but the PDA is so shitty its not that useful.
 
Jonnyram said:
It's the regular Sanseido dictionary. English to Japanese has 93,000 entries, J->E has 70,000, J dictionary has 70,000 too.

Bear in mind the E->J dictionary doesn't contain furigana so it might be hard for you to read the Japanese.

It would be nice if it was <2500yen like the brain game. I already have a nice electronic dictionary but if this was cheap I'd check it out for the quiz games and just to mess around with. But at full price...I'll stick with Mojipittan portable.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Kinda makes me feel dumb for buying a 20,000ÂĄ denshi jisha last year. -_-
It does let you draw the kanji to look them up right? If so I'm so fucking sold. I have a program on my PDA that does it, but the PDA is so shitty its not that useful.

I'm pretty sure your denshi jisho kicks this crap out of this, so don't feel too bad. I type mad fast on mine and without a keyboard the look up has got to be a lot slower on this. Even if you can just write "Independantly" with the stylus in English and get the Japanese meaning...typing it would be faster for most people.
 
Bebpo said:
It would be nice if it was <2500yen like the brain game. I already have a nice electronic dictionary but if this was cheap I'd check it out for the quiz games and just to mess around with. But at full price...I'll stick with Mojipittan portable.

Holy shit. My girlfriend just got me PSP Mojipittan but when I unwrapped it I was more than a bit confused as to how much I'd play it. We ended up playing the game for about 30 hours in the past week. 37 jiten unlocked so far. ^^
By the way, what the hell is "pittan" anyway? I've only got a rough idea, but a few people I asked just kinda shrugged and gave me a half-answer.
And are there any other games like this worth checking out?
 
RevenantKioku said:
Kinda makes me feel dumb for buying a 20,000ÂĄ denshi jisha
Should I make the joke? Should I? I'm really not an asshole. But... it's right there hanging in front of me...

EDIT: oh, you edited. hm.
 
Bebpo said:
I'm pretty sure your denshi jisho kicks this crap out of this, so don't feel too bad. I type mad fast on mine and without a keyboard the look up has got to be a lot slower on this. Even if you can just write "Independantly" with the stylus in English and get the Japanese meaning...typing it would be faster for most people.

My main issue though is that I'm still in the "fuck I don't know a lot of kanji's readings" part. And while most (all?) games lack furigana (wait, no, Wind Waker had them), I spend a lot of time using a combo of my PDA/denshi jisho/laptop to look up kanji. Drawing them out and looking them up is usually pretty decent speed on my PDA, but like I said the thing sucks.
 
Kobun Heat said:
Should I make the joke? Should I? I'm really not an asshole. But... it's right there hanging in front of me...

Hey now, I caught the mistake...eventually :p
Fuckin' hate romaji.....
 
RevenantKioku said:
My main issue though is that I'm still in the "fuck I don't know a lot of kanji's readings" part. And while most (all?) games lack furigana (wait, no, Wind Waker had them), I spend a lot of time using a combo of my PDA/denshi jisho/laptop to look up kanji. Drawing them out and looking them up is usually pretty decent speed on my PDA, but like I said the thing sucks.

To be fair I really I have no experience with looking up Kanji by drawing them out. I never had any applications that could do this, so all my years of Japanese study had me looking up kanji by the radicals and stroke count. So yea, this could definitely be good if you draw most of your kanji in.
 
Yah, looking up by radical or stroke count or anything like that is a huge pain in the ass compared to being able to just write it in. That alone makes this look worthwhile to me, but yeah, 4,800 is a little steep...
 
I used to own this years ago, IIRC one of only two Japanese dictionaries with stylus-based input at the time:

DIC-XD-470-N-photo.jpg


Being able to draw kanji is really handy if you:
1) Know less than 1000 kanji. After you get to that point, the kanji you don't know should be few enough that looking them up isn't such a pain, or you can try and wing it by guessing based on kanji you already know.

2) Know less than a couple dozen radicals. There's over 200 radicals (list, meanings), but if you know the names of even a handful you can narrow down most kanji searches far enough that searching isn't a pain. If you don't, then you're stuck with stroke order, which is by far my least favorite way of searching for kanji.

3) Can't make out a character. When text is small, blurry or in a strange font and you can't quite make out what it's supposed to be, you can copy it's shape roughly and see if any of the matches look right. This is pretty useful when reading text on a TV screen.

I outgrew that dictionary after about a year, but during that time it helped me out immensely. I didn't know the names of any radicals, and I screwed up the stroke count of complex kanji all the time, so being able to just draw them was a real time saver. I didn't have to have the right stroke order, or even stroke count; usually my crude approximations were close enough that I could pick the appropriate character out of the possible matches. As helpful as it was for kanji, as a dictionary it was complete crap. At the time, I paid 9800Y for it, which was a deal (most places sold it for 12,800Y). Luckily for today's students, Rakubiki Jiten looks better in every way, and is half the price! To me, it looks like a great choice as an introductory J<->E dictionary.
 
Thing is, though, when I asked Bill and Miyamoto at E3 if the dictionary would let you draw a kanji to look it up, they said it didn't have that function -- only drawing furigana with the stylus.

Maybe I totally misunderstood, though.
 
Yeah it doesn't have that function. At least if it does, I haven't found it yet, and I've been looking pretty damned hard!
 
Doh, looks like you guys are right.

rakubikijiten.jpg


I take it all back! Without kanji input I can't see paying 4800 for this. What a waste of potential... Judging by this picture, I take it the character recognition can't even discern between kana, the alphabet, and numbers automatically? Come on!
 
It's the Casio EX-word XD-470. If you google it you'll find various sites selling it. After 60 seconds of searching, this is the cheapest place I found: http://www.tantan.co.jp/detail/XD-470 (12,500Y ~= $115)

There are US stores selling it too, for a huge markup. I warn you though, I'm not kidding when I say the dictionary is crap. It's also limited to jouyou kanji. Even so, I think it's worth it as a supplementary dictionary for beginners/intermediates. When I was an exchange student, a lot of my classmates had proper electronic dictionaries, but after seeing how easy it was to look up kanji they later bought XD-470s as well and used both together.
 
Yeah... no kanji. If it had kanji and a super-jump feature, this would have totally replaced the Sharp dictionary that I spent $300 on a couple of years back. Without the kanji, it's pretty useless (unless you're Japanese, of course).
 
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