DUKE3D awesome looking HL2 MOD pwned by 3DRealms :(((
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Kung Fu Jedi
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No big suprise I suppose. 3D Realms wouldn't want to see a Duke mod released before the can finish up Duke Nukem Forever. DNF is going to be rendered mostly irrelevant by the time they release it anyway, and this Mod would probably be better in the long run.
There was a time when I was excited about DNF, but geez, that was like 7 years ago. Does 3D Realms still make games or just vaporware?
There was a time when I was excited about DNF, but geez, that was like 7 years ago. Does 3D Realms still make games or just vaporware?
tahrikmili
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They are probably scared that the HL2 mod will look and play better than DNF (Does Not Finish?) if it ever is released..
I just emailed 3DRealms with a mouthful. I suggest you do the same..
I just emailed 3DRealms with a mouthful. I suggest you do the same..
3D realms doesnt care about their fans or fans of Duke Nukem 3D. Otherwise lots of honest info about the game would have been around.
WTF are they thinking when they sit on the Duke Nukem universe and dont release a shit. They could release some slightly crappy game but at least the fans would be pleased.
WTF are they thinking when they sit on the Duke Nukem universe and dont release a shit. They could release some slightly crappy game but at least the fans would be pleased.
Schafer said:
Please. If anything this release would help reinvigorate more interest in Duke Nukem again. Are they still selling bucketloads of Duke Nukem 3D where they need to protect the property this badly? I'd be more understanding about the company protecting their property if the property at hand wasn't 9 years old. Oh well let Duke Nukem fall into obscurity some more.
Are you people mentally deficient? Has anyone ever successfully stolen an intellectual property for a MOD and not have it foxed? Its the way the industry works, these guys who were working on it should have known better, or at least asked for fucking permission first.
Not doing anything with the Duke Nuken license is not illegal.
Making a bad Duke Nukem game is not illegal.
Copying someone else's intellectual property without permission is illegal.
You people need to get in perspective. Fan opinions don't mean jackshit to the law. Wrong is wrong. The wronged party being a goatfucker or an ex-con or a dumbass doesn't make the act itself any less wrong.
Making a bad Duke Nukem game is not illegal.
Copying someone else's intellectual property without permission is illegal.
You people need to get in perspective. Fan opinions don't mean jackshit to the law. Wrong is wrong. The wronged party being a goatfucker or an ex-con or a dumbass doesn't make the act itself any less wrong.
Yeah, no shit.
If you read up on the whole thread of what happened there was a message board post to stop the project and that was it. 3DRealms doesn't even want to attempt to try and work things out to make this happen. I still say for this dying franchise working out a re-release like this would be a good idea to stir up interest again. Max Payne 2 faltered in comparison to the first game. Duke Nukem Forever falters what does that leave 3D Realms left with? Maybe they can go make Balls of Steel 2 for their heavy hitter....
If you read up on the whole thread of what happened there was a message board post to stop the project and that was it. 3DRealms doesn't even want to attempt to try and work things out to make this happen. I still say for this dying franchise working out a re-release like this would be a good idea to stir up interest again. Max Payne 2 faltered in comparison to the first game. Duke Nukem Forever falters what does that leave 3D Realms left with? Maybe they can go make Balls of Steel 2 for their heavy hitter....
Schafer said:
Like I said, you are not wrong. However, I do believe they are making a mistake with their actions. If Nintendo were to protect their money making Zelda franchise (which I believe they did), that's one thing, but 3D Realms NEEDS the "fans" more than we need them. The entirely property is virtually worthless at this point. Their TEAM has very little support from the community and that community is just WAITING to attack DNF. Do you think the attitude coming out of ION Storm helped them in the long run?
Kung Fu Jedi
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I don't think anyone is too surprised that 3D Realms wants to protect it's own IP's, but they have also damaged those same IP's by not releasing shit in the past 8 years, and continually leaking bits of hype on DNF only to also delay the release of the game. The sentiment here is simply backlash against a company that had a chance to really captialize on a hot game property and deliver a potentially great game, only to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. Five years ago I'd have been happy to get a new Duke game, now, I just don't care.
Sure, it's wrong, but I think the debate here is whether or not 3DRealms should've acted within their legal rights to shut it down, the mentality being that perhaps it would've been beneficial to them and their franchise to let the project be.duckroll said:Not doing anything with the Duke Nuken license is not illegal.
Making a bad Duke Nukem game is not illegal.
Copying someone else's intellectual property without permission is illegal.
You people need to get in perspective. Fan opinions don't mean jackshit to the law. Wrong is wrong. The wronged party being a goatfucker or an ex-con or a dumbass doesn't make the act itself any less wrong.
That the act itself is illegal is not being contested as far as I can tell.
Look, face it. I don't see how 3D Realms is remotely making the WRONG choice here. Do any of you know what happens when you ignore a copyright infringment after knowing about it's existance? You stand to lose any future claim to that copyright. Copyright holders HAVE to fight to defend their own copyrights, that's why companies have lawyers that do everything they do to keep fanboys under control. Whinewhinewhinesuckswhinewhinebastards. Whatever. Welcome to the real world.
human5892 said:
If they let the mod go forward, they would be setting a precedent, in which any dumbshit can do whatever they want with the license. The fact is, they have no control over what happens with the mod, and as such can't control how they portray the license. Plain and simple, it won't happen, it can't happen, they aren't assholes for stopping it, and you all need a serious reality check if you think otherwise.
you're right.. they aren't assholes for stopping it. they are assholes for:Schafer said:
not releasing a DN PC game in like 10 years
not working with the mod author to actually release a Duke Nukem game, even if not one developed in house or just a mod
basically doing nothing more than taking their toys and going home so NO ONE can play with them.
years ago for quake (or was it quake 2) someone did a Marvel mod.. Marvel, instead of being pricks about it, worked a deal out with the guy and even got him a publisher for the mod. Marvel didn't have any first person shooters out and they new that Marvel combined with Quake is definitely a good thing for the brand...
but no... 3DR wants to keep their little tax shelter safe so they have to shut down anyone who actually tries to get a game where you play Duke Nukem out to the public... hell knows what would happen if 3DR actually worked to get a DN PC game out, even if not developed by them.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Wow. This thread has degenerated quickly into name calling and mud-slingging. That didn't take long.
duckroll and Schafer are correct. 3D Realms does have to protect it's properties, especially when it has so few left to make any money on. Copyright issues are something that should not be taken lightly, and it is well within their rights to protect their investment, namely DNF, so that they can try to regain some of their lost glory, stay sovlent, and keep their doors open. Anyone hoping for this mod to reach the light of day should have known this would happen, as it has many times in the past.
However, the gaming community once loved the Duke franchise, then eventually that love turned to indifference, and now I think it's moved into disdain. 3D Realms has run their own franchise into the ground, and this could have been a move to revive it in some way. Didn't Lucas Arts allow a Star Wars mod for Battlefield 1942? I'm not sure, because I never played it, but I seem to recall that Lucas allowed it. There are few IP's more profitable then Star Wars, and yet the mod was allowed to continue, despite the fact that Star Wars Battlefront was in the works. Did allowing the mod hurt the sales of Battlefront? Possibly, but it could also be that it was just a bad game.
I think it's possible to still understand the copyright issues 3D Realms faces with this mod and why they shut it down, but also be upset with them for doing so. Can't we have an intelligent discussion about this topic without it degrading into mudslingging?
duckroll and Schafer are correct. 3D Realms does have to protect it's properties, especially when it has so few left to make any money on. Copyright issues are something that should not be taken lightly, and it is well within their rights to protect their investment, namely DNF, so that they can try to regain some of their lost glory, stay sovlent, and keep their doors open. Anyone hoping for this mod to reach the light of day should have known this would happen, as it has many times in the past.
However, the gaming community once loved the Duke franchise, then eventually that love turned to indifference, and now I think it's moved into disdain. 3D Realms has run their own franchise into the ground, and this could have been a move to revive it in some way. Didn't Lucas Arts allow a Star Wars mod for Battlefield 1942? I'm not sure, because I never played it, but I seem to recall that Lucas allowed it. There are few IP's more profitable then Star Wars, and yet the mod was allowed to continue, despite the fact that Star Wars Battlefront was in the works. Did allowing the mod hurt the sales of Battlefront? Possibly, but it could also be that it was just a bad game.
I think it's possible to still understand the copyright issues 3D Realms faces with this mod and why they shut it down, but also be upset with them for doing so. Can't we have an intelligent discussion about this topic without it degrading into mudslingging?
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I think that was what I was aiming for. But before any intelligent discussion could take place, the fanboyism machine going "FUCK 3DREALMS TO DEATH FOR SHUTTING IT DOWN" has got to calm down first. This is like that Chrono Trigger crap all over again and people have got to realize the some companies just don't want to "work with the fans", that fact alone does not make them fuckers. In the case of 3DRealms, not releasing DNF, taking forever, shooting themselves in the foot and basically all the crap in the past few years is the reason why they are fuckers. Perspective is important but some people like to ignore that. For the record, we didn't start the name calling!
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The flaw is that you're an idiot. Do I win something?
Kung Fu Jedi
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duckroll said:For the record, we didn't start the name calling!
LOL! Fair enough!
duckroll said:
I would argue also stuff like this makes them fuckers as well. Sure they have no legal obligation to work with the fans or support fan-made projects, but at this point let's maintain perspective and realize that DNF is NEVER coming out. That's right, I said it.. NEVER. We will see Phantom on store shelves before DNF. So what does 3DR do to keep the DN property alive and kicking? They shutdown everything not officially licensed (aka everything except for a cellphone game) and claim they are just protecting their IP.
As has been said, there are other options they could have pursued besides just letting this go FFA. They could have worked with him, given him a free or reduced license, hell, just endorsed him or even hired him on, etc.. MANY other options they could have taken where we wouldn't be sitting here calling them names... but they didn't... they chose to take the most assholish approach and be done with it.
is it their right? Sure, but it doesn't make them any less of assholes for doing it. I can call in my car stolen when I am pissed at my girlfriend and she takes off for a bit in my car... it's my right to do so..... doesn't make it right though.
Funky Papa
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You know, 3DRealms is one easy target to pick (being myself a long time Broussard troll) but they have a point, Duke Nukem Forever is indeed coming along and this mod could be bad for their plans. It distracts the attention and will generate unwanted comparisons. What if they are going to pull a Source releasing an updated Duke Nukem 3D along Forever? What if the mod achieves enough popularity to secure some talent and ends being a totally kickass remake?
It is sad, but if I was in charge I'd be forced to shut them down. I'd just try to be gentle and polite about the whole thing to mitigate the bad press.
It is sad, but if I was in charge I'd be forced to shut them down. I'd just try to be gentle and polite about the whole thing to mitigate the bad press.
Funky Papa
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Funky Papa said:
Thanks.
Joe3DR said:
Right so there you have it, exactly what I was saying. Nothing about being morally superior, just trying to bring the realistic down-to-earth angle to the thread. Now we can supeculate if 3DR is infact planning some Duke Nukem 1 remake with DNF themselves. It'll be awesome I'm sure seeing how it'll never come out and all.
except
that they could have done other things, ESPECIALLY considering that every god damn project lead in that company knows DNF will never see the light of day. they had a choice about how they wanted to pursue "protecting" their property and they chose the way that, all things considered" pissed the fans off the most. So now they have to deal with the bad PR. They had many other ways of dealing this that wouldn't have nurtured even more animosity towards them, they just chose to give us a collective "fuck you".
Like was said before, 3DR "If we can't release a DN game, no one can." They could have worked to allow the mod out in some form while still protecting their property legally.. they chose not to.. why? because they are a-holes.
"here, we are granting you a free/reduced cost conditional license to continue on with your mod." There, now they aren't obligated to let anyone and everyone make a mod, they still have control of their property, and they can pull the license if they ever feel the mod is diluting the property or they actually ever release DNF.....
LOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!
sorry.. just realized I wrote "ever release DNF.." lol....
anyway, there are many things they could have done.
that they could have done other things, ESPECIALLY considering that every god damn project lead in that company knows DNF will never see the light of day. they had a choice about how they wanted to pursue "protecting" their property and they chose the way that, all things considered" pissed the fans off the most. So now they have to deal with the bad PR. They had many other ways of dealing this that wouldn't have nurtured even more animosity towards them, they just chose to give us a collective "fuck you".
Like was said before, 3DR "If we can't release a DN game, no one can." They could have worked to allow the mod out in some form while still protecting their property legally.. they chose not to.. why? because they are a-holes.
"here, we are granting you a free/reduced cost conditional license to continue on with your mod." There, now they aren't obligated to let anyone and everyone make a mod, they still have control of their property, and they can pull the license if they ever feel the mod is diluting the property or they actually ever release DNF.....
LOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!
sorry.. just realized I wrote "ever release DNF.." lol....
anyway, there are many things they could have done.
Funky Papa
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DNF is COMING. Really. They have been fucking around for years, but it is certainly coming.
sorry.... 8 years ago I believed. 6 years ago I wanted to believe. 4 years ago I stopped caring. 2 years ago I started getting annoyed still hearing about it. at this point I am actually kind of bitter about it...Funky Papa said:
who knows where I'll be 2 years from now..
"CELEBRATING THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF DNF!!!"
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How can they 'lose' the property?
Without Ken Silverman to fall back on I'm starting to think 3D Realms are nothing but hacks. Get your sh*t together or sell your icon game. Thats like MS going 9 years without doing a sequel to Halo 2. OF Course the fans would be fed up to the point where they themselves will make their own damn sequel because they love it so much.
Didn't a mod team start remaking the original Doom? Did ID interfere with them and tell them to cease and desist? Doom is way more popular than Duke and yet ID sees the need for the fans to express themselves paying tribute to a franchise that they love.
Didn't a mod team start remaking the original Doom? Did ID interfere with them and tell them to cease and desist? Doom is way more popular than Duke and yet ID sees the need for the fans to express themselves paying tribute to a franchise that they love.
MrPing1000
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I understand why they did it. But I do not like that they did
Shaheed79 said:
This is what I was getting at ...
And FYI - they allowed it to continue if it didn't actually contain any of the levels from the original game. AFAIK, they reached a compromise by creating a BSP-builder that would take a .WAD file, extract the maps, and convert them into BSPs (of course, "optimized" to the Doom and Doom 2 levels). There are a number of ways 3drealms can "protect their IP" without sending a blanket cease-and-desist letter. Creating the "expectancy" that no project can continue using game assets of theirs is absurd - there are clearly precedents in the mod-making field for this. Of course, as is expected of 3drealms, they took the lazy way out.
3dr is very friendly to the community.
they simply have to enforce their trademarks/copyrights or risk losing the ip.
as for duke nukem forever-: we will finally be seeing duke nukem forever(for the first time again) THIS YEAR. it may be as soon as this year's e3 show.
alot of vendors want to showcase the game on their hardware to.
don't give up on 3dr or duke nukem.
welcome back duke, it's been a long time!
(p.s.) visuals are said to be more advanced then doom3 and hl2.
they simply have to enforce their trademarks/copyrights or risk losing the ip.
as for duke nukem forever-: we will finally be seeing duke nukem forever(for the first time again) THIS YEAR. it may be as soon as this year's e3 show.
alot of vendors want to showcase the game on their hardware to.
don't give up on 3dr or duke nukem.
welcome back duke, it's been a long time!
(p.s.) visuals are said to be more advanced then doom3 and hl2.