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Emo lived and died with Rites of Spring.

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Teknopathetic

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This is fact. Is it so much for a band to realize that you can have emotional lyrics without singing like a 13 year old girl? Or said lyrics not being disgustingly vapid, just veiled with verbosity?


Discuss.
 
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demi

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Teknopathetic is sending me a couple songs and they sound like something I would hear on the latest Tony Hawk game.

I'm not exactly feeling it...
 
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shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Young 'uns needs to learn some RESPECT. Rites of Spring started Emo (and what a terrible name that is).

Demi probably wants power ballads.
 
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human5892

Queen of Denmark
How about Sunny Day Real Estate's Diary? That was always one of the definitive emo albums for me.

But hey, nowadays we have bands like Simple Plan! *kills self*
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
is that all it takes to qualify as an 'emo' band or record?

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, Pinkerton.

'nuff said.
 
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Star Power

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I hate this argument. Obviously, emo, much like punk, and straight-edge, and all of these other sub-subgenres, has morphed into something totaly different from it's original intent. Arguing otherwise is pointless.. I mean, I like to believe that punk died in '79, but with such a thriving 'punk' scene, how can you really say that/' even if they don't exactly live up to the ideals of the original scene. What makes RItes of Spring more emo than, say, Thursday? It's all semantics anyway, just fuck it. Listen to the music.





BTW, Rites of Spring sucks. As does Fugazi. Yes, I said it.
 
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Litigation Manuel

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Star Power said:
I hate this argument. Obviously, emo, much like punk, and straight-edge, and all of these other sub-subgenres, has morphed into something totaly different from it's original intent. What makes RItes of Spring more emo than, say, Thursday? It's all semantics anyway, just fuck it. Listen to the music.





BTW, Rites of Spring sucks. As does Fugazi. Yes, I said it.
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Have you listened to "the Argument" by Fugazi? It's much more evolved than their earlier stuff. Nonetheless: :'(
 
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White Man

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Comic books fans are allowed to bitch about retconning. I don't like that the name of e musical style that I liked has been retconned to apply to shitty pop punk bands (and worse). Yeah, music does evolve, but if you listen to the garbage that passes for emo today, and then put on an Embrace or Rites of Spring record, you'll be hard press to defend it as an "evolution." This new emo takes fish-in-a-barrel sappy lyrics, marries them to typical guitar rock, sometimes with an added distortion peddle, and steals the name from a vaguely related school of HC.

Star Power said:
BTW, Rites of Spring sucks. As does Fugazi. Yes, I said it.
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I saw this remark as I was going to comment. That's beyond the pale, lad. Have you even listened to more than a handful of Fugazi songs? Do you even like HC music?
 
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Star Power

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i wouldn't say a band sucks if i hadn't listened to at least one of their albums, so yes I have heard more than a few fugazi songs (I have heard '13 songs' and other assorted songs from their other records). While I"m not a huge hardcore fan, i do like a few bandsw. fugazi's music is just incredibly bland, not to mention their whole belief system and 'DIY OR DIE' sort of lifestyle/aesthetic is beyond pathetic. and, yes, before someone says it, i'm aware they're not the only band who subscribes to it, but they are overly obnoxious about it. and really, i'm not trying to get into an argument here, i'm just giving my opinion, so really just back off.
 
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Flynn

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White Man said:
Comic books fans are allowed to bitch about retconning. I don't like that the name of e musical style that I liked has been retconned to apply to shitty pop punk bands (and worse). Yeah, music does evolve, but if you listen to the garbage that passes for emo today, and then put on an Embrace or Rites of Spring record, you'll be hard press to defend it as an "evolution." This new emo takes fish-in-a-barrel sappy lyrics, marries them to typical guitar rock, sometimes with an added distortion peddle, and steals the name from a vaguely related school of HC.



I saw this remark as I was going to comment. That's beyond the pale, lad. Have you even listened to more than a handful of Fugazi songs? Do you even like HC music?
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I don't know it's so much retconning as the fact that all the emo bands are now shitty.

Every try to convince somebody that all ska isn't crap? It's pointless to argue to them that Reel Big Fish isn't "real" ska. They're what ska became. I'd say the same applies to emo. This is where emo has gone. You don't have to like it. And you don't have to listen to it.

I'd also argue that emo has evolved past being a subset of HC and now does describe other genres.

The word "evolve" doesn't inherently imply improvement, just development and change.
 
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shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Fugazi DOES NOT suck. Compare 13 Songs to Red Medicine and tell me there is no change or development. They stick to guitars, bass and drums. They don't need a fucking mandolin to spice up their sound.

Star Power said:
It's all semantics anyway, just fuck it. Listen to the music.
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Then why the fuck does Fugazi's DIY ethic bother you? You contradicted yourself already.
 
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pnjtony

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Just crank the AC/DC and forget all the whiney, dark rimmed glasses, crappy black hair, cry in my sweater music.

As a sidenote..the irony of emo "couples" slays me.
 
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Star Power

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shantyman said:
Then why the fuck does Fugazi's DIY ethic bother you? You contradicted yourself already.
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Calm down, you twat. First off, i did not contradict myself, as i was talking about this genre discrepancy, not the political/whatever belifs of an artist.. their whole DIY thing constantly gets in the way of their music, it's a bit hard to ignore. asshole.

and fugazi doesn't suck.. of course not! because almighty shantyman says so!
 
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Killkernal

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Star Power said:
BTW, Rites of Spring sucks. As does Fugazi. Yes, I said it.
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Please go listen to the album 'In On The Killtaker' before setting your opinion in stone. I doubt you'll change your mind but it's worth a shot.

Speaking of Emo, I've often wondered why a band like Husker Du was able to escape the title with albums like 'Zen Arcade' and 'New Day Rising'. They don't come much more emotional than that. I guess the term wasn't coined as often back then.

I just listened to Zen Arcade again yesterday and I contend that it is still one of the greatest albums ever made.
 
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swoon

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Star Power said:
I hate this argument. Obviously, emo, much like punk, and straight-edge, and all of these other sub-subgenres, has morphed into something totaly different from it's original intent. Arguing otherwise is pointless.. I mean, I like to believe that punk died in '79, but with such a thriving 'punk' scene, how can you really say that/' even if they don't exactly live up to the ideals of the original scene. What makes RItes of Spring more emo than, say, Thursday? It's all semantics anyway, just fuck it. Listen to the music.





BTW, Rites of Spring sucks. As does Fugazi. Yes, I said it.
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it's not more emo, it's good emo. this isn't a measurement of style or something it's a measurement of talent.

anyway, i might put Moss Icon and Indian Summer and maybe Herion over Rites of Spring, but not by much.
 
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Jim Bowie

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Flynn said:
Every try to convince somebody that all ska isn't crap? It's pointless to argue to them that Reel Big Fish isn't "real" ska. They're what ska became. I'd say the same applies to emo. This is where emo has gone. You don't have to like it. And you don't have to listen to it.
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Depends on your particular flavor of ska.

If you're a first or second wave guy, sure, it's not ska.
But if you're a third wave guy, or a person that enjoys punk rock, then it's most definitely ska.

If you're going to be totally hardcore about it, then bands like The Specials, Madness, and Selector aren't ska, either. It's all about King Buster, usually with his All-Stars. Although, around first-wave, it gets really tough to distinguish the bands- it was almost like a genre co-op, everybody pulled their weight.

But overall, I agree with you- music is always evolving, forever changing. If you don't like a particular strand of a genre, fret not- it'll all come around to something "bold and innovative".
 
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shantyman

WHO DEY!?
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Hmm...I'm familiar with Fugazi, but not Rites. I must find some!
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Rites of Spring has Brendan from Fugazi on drums and Guy from Fugazi on guitar and vocals. They are nothing like Fugazi though.
 
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anyway, i might put Moss Icon and Indian Summer and maybe Herion over Rites of Spring, but not by much.
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I would too. I appreciate Rites of Spring, but I could never really get into them. I'm more of a Shotmaker, Policy of Three, Plunger kind of guy. Not necessarily "forefathers of emo", but did enough justice to the sound to carry the name well. So I wouldn't exactly say emo died with RoS. It just became a very sparse genre shortly thereafter (as far as finding really good bands is concerned). I will say, though; City of Caterpillar's only release is the last good record even remotely having anything to do with emo. I'd say it's dead now.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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before the rites of spring
come to meet all things
a little taste of what may come
only a glimpse of what has gone
cause for the moment we are free
we seek to find our release
too young to die
too rich to care
too fucked to swear that i was there


yeah rites of spring rocks
 
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