Facebook continues it's internet takeover

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didn't they also start sharing a lot of information about everyone over 18 regardless of what permissions you'd set.
 
Man the comments on those blog posts are just filled with hate. People are so insanely resistant to change. I can't believe there is a "movement" to switch the page option from "Like" back to "Become a Fan". They're fucking synonyms. When you click the button, the exact same action occurs. The only thing they changed was the text on the button itself. What's there to get huffy about?

Anyway, this seems pretty rad. The idea of interconnecting everything through a central service makes it easier to share things. Being able to log in to Pandora and have it already know my favorite artists (based on the list on my FB "Info" page) is a smart idea that saves users times and keeps my list of favorite artists consistent across multiple services.

I am of course weary of marketing implications of this, but Facebook has done a good job in the past of giving you an "opt out" for these kinds of features (though it sometimes takes some berating from the user-base for them to add that "opt out"). Besides, it sounds like this system is built around sharing really low-level information like your list of favorite movies and bands. Excluding the tin-foil hat brigade, who really gives a shit if that info is floating around in cyberspace?

soco said:
didn't they also start sharing a lot of information about everyone over 18 regardless of what permissions you'd set.

If you're talking about global search results (ie - a thumbnail of your FB profile showing up when somebody searches your name on Google), you can turn that off. The amount of info shared on that thumbnail is so incredibly insignificant that it couldn't really hurt you though (unless you are paranoid that somebody will find out you like Justin Bieber).
 
StrikerObi said:
Man the comments on those blog posts are just filled with hate. People are so insanely resistant to change. I can't believe there is a "movement" to switch the page option from "Like" back to "Become a Fan". They're fucking synonyms. When you click the button, the exact same action occurs. The only thing they changed was the text on the button itself. What's there to get huffy about?

I don't get it either. I tend to get in a fuss over layout changes, but changing "fan of" to "like" is so incredibly minor I can't believe people are complaining about it.
 
They've only taken over the internet when I can sign into GAF with my Facebook profile.
If that ever happens, I'm bailing
 
Lijik said:
I don't get it either. I tend to get in a fuss over layout changes, but changing "fan of" to "like" is so incredibly minor I can't believe people are complaining about it.

I didn't even know it was an issue until I read those blog posts and saw people complaining about it even though the complaint had nothing to do with the post it was made on. I run a page for my office and when I saw the notice on the screen I thought to myself "whatever" and clicked close. Considering I am one of the few in a position where I might stand a chance of being slightly concerned, I didn't give a shit.

For what it's worth, I've approved of most of the changes FB has made over the years layout wise. Moving the apps to that "boxes" tab was the best decision they ever made. Before that, FB profiles were slowly turning into Myspace profiles (loaded down with fucking shit that made them ugly and unusable). Now that profiles are devoid of sparky glitter font boxes, the world is a better place.

The most recent change was mostly a good one. The only thing I don't like is not having quick-access to certain apps on every page (prior to the change that bar at the bottom was always there). But overall the new layout is an improvement despite losing that.
 
StrikerObi said:
Man the comments on those blog posts are just filled with hate. People are so insanely resistant to change. I can't believe there is a "movement" to switch the page option from "Like" back to "Become a Fan". They're fucking synonyms. When you click the button, the exact same action occurs. The only thing they changed was the text on the button itself. What's there to get huffy about?
I definitely agree here. We see it every time they change something though. People bitch for a week, make stupid groups like they will actually get something done. Then they get used to it. I don't think there's ever been a facebook change I didn't like. I just needed to get used to it.
 
kaskade said:
I definitely agree here. We see it every time they change something though. People bitch for a week, make stupid groups like they will actually get something done. Then they get used to it. I don't think there's ever been a facebook change I didn't like. I just needed to get used to it.

It's the idiot users that complain. I almost hate to say it, but anybody that complained when they lost their sparkly glitter text box on their profile's main page is a fucking idiot. The UI/UX has only improved over time, become less cluttered and more centered around grouping friends which in turn makes finding the content you want easier (want to see what's going on locally, group all your local friends and then filter your news feed down to "locals") and also to restrict content to specific people (I have a friend group labeled "restricted" of mostly coworkers and a few crazy family members that I don't want seeing specific things like religious/political views).
 
SimleuqiR said:
GAFbook... [[ shivers ]]

Where animated gifs of tv-series, beautiful women and anime are replaced by slightly over-or-under-weight white males in their early-mid-20's.
 
Second thread in a row I clicked on that's a repeat of a topic from the last 12 hours. I'm not sure the Google custom search is really cutting it.
 
kinoki said:
Where animated gifs of tv-series, beautiful women and anime are replaced by slightly over-or-under-weight white males in their early-mid-20's.

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StrikerObi said:
If you're talking about global search results (ie - a thumbnail of your FB profile showing up when somebody searches your name on Google), you can turn that off. The amount of info shared on that thumbnail is so incredibly insignificant that it couldn't really hurt you though (unless you are paranoid that somebody will find out you like Justin Bieber).

this is what i was referring to.
 
These tools are incredibly awesome for website creators. I haven't really had a chance to dive into the more complex ones, but I am testing out the new "like" button, and it is awesome. You can see it in action on my site:

http://socialgamecentral.com/

Click the "like" button on one of those stories, and see how buttery smooth it is (you can unclick it a moment later, don't worry).

The button has smart privacy settings, too. If two random people have clicked it, you will see "Two people like this." But if one of the people that have clicked it is your friend you will see "John Smith and one other person liked this."

It's all implemented with a copy/paste code, too. Some of the more complex social features require new javascript be dropped into your page template, but this like button couldn't be easier.
 
soco said:

I have no idea where they're getting this idea from. Sounds like they read something released by Facebook and started writing a response without properly researching it. This is par the course for a group like the EFF (which I still support). They jump to conclusions in effort to draw attention to themselves and to the potential outcomes of a change like this. Unfortunately they often don't mention the actual outcomes.

EFF Article Dated 4/19/2010 said:
Today, Facebook removed its users' ability to control who can see their own interests and personal information. Certain parts of users' profiles, "including your current city, hometown, education and work, and likes and interests" will now be transformed into "connections," meaning that they will be shared publicly. If you don't want these parts of your profile to be made public, your only option is to delete them.

The example Facebook uses in its announcement is a page for "Cooking." Previously, you could list "cooking" as an activity you liked on your profile, but your name would not be added to any formal "Cooking" page. (Under the old system, you could become a "fan" of cooking if you wanted). But now, the new Cooking page will publicly display all of the millions of people who list cooking as an activity.

Who cares if Facebook is compiling a directory of everybody that "Likes" cooking?

Edit: Oh I see what their problem is now, after doing more research on the topic. What the EFF is concerned about is that anybody that visits the "community page" of a topic you "like" could find your name among the list of people that like that page. Are they really up in arms about this?

It's important to note that a person cannot search for your name and find a list of things you "like" (unless you set your privacy to allow this). They can only search for a topic and find a list of people that "like" it.

Who is going to page through hundreds of thousands of fans of Cooking or another topic trying to find one person? And even if they DO find you, once they click your profile they won't be able to see any info about you (so long as your privacy settings are correct).

So in the end the most information they can attain (through an excruciatingly long and drawn-out process of manually scanning through thousands of people that "like" a topic) is that you like that topic. They can't find out where you live, your age, your friends, or even what other activities you like. Where is the harm? I suppose if you are some sort of moron and "like" the Neo-Nazi Movement on Facebook then you might be in trouble. Somebody might see your name on a list of all the people that "like" the Neo-Nazi Movement and find out that you are a Neo-Nazi (or at least that you like them...). But what Neo-Nazi is stupid enough to list that affiliation on a website like Facebook?

tl;dr: Pro Tip - Don't "like" Smoking Pot on Facebook and you will be fine (and even if you "like" Smoking Pot, the chances of anybody finding you among the 1,000,000+ other idiots that "like" Smoking Pot are slim to none).
 
I'm more concerned about this:
Once you make your choice, any text you'd previously had for the current city, hometown, education and work, and likes and interests sections of your profile will be replaced by links to these Pages. If you would still like to express yourself with free-form text, you can still use the "Bio" section of your profile.
I don't want to lose stuff I've entered in free-form text in the other sections of my profile, either. I don't want to be limited to my "Bio" section for writing stuff that doesn't link to stuff.
 
StrikerObi said:
Edit: Oh I see what their problem is now, after doing more research on the topic. What the EFF is concerned about is that anybody that visits the "community page" of a topic you "like" could find your name among the list of people that like that page. Are they really up in arms about this?

It's important to note that a person cannot search for your name and find a list of things you "like" (unless you set your privacy to allow this). They can only search for a topic and find a list of people that "like" it.

Who is going to page through hundreds of thousands of fans of Cooking or another topic trying to find one person? And even if they DO find you, once they click your profile they won't be able to see any info about you (so long as your privacy settings are correct).

So in the end the most information they can attain (through an excruciatingly long and drawn-out process of manually scanning through thousands of people that "like" a topic) is that you like that topic. They can't find out where you live, your age, your friends, or even what other activities you like. Where is the harm? I suppose if you are some sort of moron and "like" the Neo-Nazi Movement on Facebook then you might be in trouble. Somebody might see your name on a list of all the people that "like" the Neo-Nazi Movement and find out that you are a Neo-Nazi (or at least that you like them...). But what Neo-Nazi is stupid enough to list that affiliation on a website like Facebook?

tl;dr: Pro Tip - Don't "like" Smoking Pot on Facebook and you will be fine (and even if you "like" Smoking Pot, the chances of anybody finding you among the 1,000,000+ other idiots that "like" Smoking Pot are slim to none).

the facebook blog page says: "Now, certain parts of your profile, including your current city, hometown, education and work, and likes and interests, will contain "connections.""

humans have a problem navigating this data, but that's why we have computers and crawlers. a lot of people have already built a lot of crawlers for facebook and grabbed some pretty useful information that isn't always directly written on the pages.

i already know of people who've missed out on jobs for silly things like this already. you don't have to have "smoking pot" as an interest to get passed up. people interpreting some of the data often have flawed connections of their own.
 
There was nothing wrong before with being greeted to a site with a brief message that said, hey buddy, want to connect your facebook to this site? Now for this feature you only get a blanket, yes I would love you to share everything you know about me to whoever you choose facebook, as a default.
 
Apparently the Facebook "Like" buttons that are rapidly spreading throughout the web can track that you've used the page if you're logged in, and possibly even if you're logged out, even without clicking it.

Normally I don't have a problem with such things tracking me, but... Facebook's been playing fast and loose with personal data recently, and I really don't like
ha ha!
the direction they're going.

A year from now there's a good chance I won't have an account there anymore.
 
kinoki said:
Where animated gifs of tv-series, beautiful women and anime are replaced by slightly over-or-under-weight white males in their early-mid-20's.
I am neither white, nor under/overweight nor in my early-mid-20's.
 
Oh, I think I see now.

Because "its" sounds possessive, and in 2nd or 3rd Grade most kids seemed to pay enough attention that they overheard the rule that "an apostrophe is used in many instances to denote possession," people who spell "its" with an apostrophe must have been making paper aeroplanes or something during the key moments when OTHER RULES were taught.

Pretty global phenomenon really!
 
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