andthebeatgoeson
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I'm not saying they should have but after the week long tribute on every TV station...I understand.
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Fans that rival Philly fans for worst of all: Boo Dead Pope
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I'm not saying they should have but after the week long tribute on every TV station...I understand.
scarybore
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Nothing new here i'm afraid. The racial/religious bigotry here is Scotland (especially in football) is huge imo. I don't quite get all this love for the Pope after his death and I dont worship him for the fall of communism as some may say among other things, but I atleast have the decency to respect others feelings and I would never do such things horrid things like this.
Zilch said:
Calling out the Pope's protection of Bernard Law was a very idiotic thing to do. Sorry.
Pointing out that the Pope told Africans (who are in the midst of an AIDS crisis) not to use condoms is idotic as well. Again, I apologise.
I'm such an idiot.
Flynn said:
:lol I couldn't give a damn about the man myself, and the over coverage of a man who's been living on borrowed time for over a decade got old a long time ago. Move the fuck on already.
Might've been easier to take if Mother Teresa got the same sort of respect for what she spent her entire life doing...alas she made the mistake Johnny Cochrane did of dying in the wrong week.
:lol So true. Mother Teresa was a dmn living saint who lived and worked with the people she loved. If anyone deserved a week or excess, it was her. But her death was as lowkey as the rest of her life. The booing is understandable for many of the people who's had enough already. PEACE.Shinobi said:
Nintendo Ate My Children
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Mother Teresa was a bitter, fundamentalist, hypocritical shrew of a woman who made the former pope look absolutely liberal. Christopher Hitchens has written many an interesting article on this saintly woman.
LinesInTheSand
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You're always going to have people hating the best. All you haters are morons, see you in Hell 
videogamer
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Care to tell us why their points are wrong? Or is the best you can do is make a "see you in Hell" comment?LinesInTheSand said:You're always going to have people hating the best. All you haters are morons, see you in Hell
Wow! I've seen some pretty silly things in my life, but that article takes the cake. I can understand questioning the expenditure of money, and questioning why she should allow herself better healthcare than the people she treated. But give me a fucking break, this guy shits on her for pretty much just those reasons. And with the shallowest of evidence to boot. I didn't work alongside Mother Teresa to see if she was the real McCoy or not. Has this guy? I have no idea who Chris Hitchens is, so bear with me on that.Nintendo Ate My Children said:
Anyway, wtf did the Pope do that would make him look better than Mother Teresa? Being an influence-peddler isn't the same as getting your hands dirty working directly with the poor. That's why that article seems so damn retarded. Maybe she just had a good publicist, but everything we saw of MT was of her working with poor and sick people. I didn't see her living like a king in the Vatican. But again, maybe it was all just a really clever bit of PR. PEACE.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
For the flip side, see : Princess Diana. Theoretically Catholic Jocks would be exstatic at the death of a Royal family member, but I don't recall any booing.
I'm sure if/when Ian Paisley drops, there will be parties in the green half of Glasgow though.
Ninja Scooter
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LinesInTheSand said:You're always going to have people hating the best. All you haters are morons, see you in Hell
Bret Hart>the pope. In fact, Bret Hart should be the new pope.
Nintendo Ate My Children
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Christopher Hitchens is a famous journalist who writes for Vanity Fair, The Nation, Atlantic Weekly (among others) and is also the author of several books, among them one about Mother Teresa. The article I linked to was just a small piece of his work on the subject. Hitchens' argument isn't that Mother Teresa somehow hoodwinked everyone into thinking she was a saint, but that the media simply chose to ignore any uncomfortable facts about her that didn't fit into the image they wanted to project.
I don't know if the article I posted mentioned it, but Mother Teresa was a critical opponent of Vatican II, the council that brought the Catholic Church out of the early dark ages and into the late dark ages. His Holiness supported the work of the council, and while he was opposed to abortion, divorce and contraception, Mother Teresa opposition was much more forceful.
You didn't, and she didn't. She believed in living an austere life. That fact does nothing to change that fact that when she wasn't at her little nunnery, she dined with presidents, dictators, and royalty, funneled money into expanding her religious order instead of building hospitals, and seemed to have a weakness for indulging the sins of the wealthy and having considerable less tolerance for the sins of the poor.
Space Age Playboy
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Spike Spiegel
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Yes I do, because these fans were booing the Pope for altogether different reasons.Space Age Playboy said:
Look, I don't care if you liked Pope John Paul II in life, or whether or not you disagreed with his conservative, traditional Catholic views (which, btw, I don't agree with either). I don't care that you strongly disapprove of the Church's handling of the American sex scandals, or that you just plain don't like Catholicism or religion in general. I certainly don't care about the little racial/religious bigotry thing these folks seem to have going on, either. Why? Because everyone's entitled to their opinion, so long as I am too.
But if you can't stand your little soccer GAME being interrupted for a few minutes of silence, to acknowledge the passing of one of the most significant world leaders of the last century, or shut the f*ck up long enough to let others that want to honor the Pope do so, then... Well, then maybe you're taking your sports just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle too seriously.
Space Age Playboy
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Are you sure it was only because the game was being interrupted? Surely they wouldn't have booed a tribute to a Scottish hero. They didn't like the pope.Spike Spiegel said:
Spike Spiegel
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Given the absurdly rabid, embarrassingly fanatical nature of European soccer fans? ...Yeah, I'm pretty damn sure it was because they didn't like the game being interrupted. And of course they wouldn't boo "a Scottish hero," nationalistic pride and all that. Look at how Poland has reacted to the Pope's passing; if John Paul II had been from Scotland, you can be damn sure they wouldn't have booed regardless of how they felt about him.Space Age Playboy said:
NO this is just bad form no matter how u look at it.
Shit i was forced to endure a minutes silence for the Sept 11 victims. It was interfering with an AFL finals game. Did anyone utter a sound: NO
Were those people necessarily saints, no some of them were bankers who'd as soon as rip u off as look at u, inside trading stock brokers, crooked cops, etc did i know any of them, no, did i have the decency to mark they're passing by keeping quiet Yes.
It's what u do, whether u agree/know/dislike/don't care etc.
And just for example i suspect Highbury (Arsenal) would keep a minutes silence if Alex Ferguson up and died, and most of those fans hate him.
Shit i was forced to endure a minutes silence for the Sept 11 victims. It was interfering with an AFL finals game. Did anyone utter a sound: NO
Were those people necessarily saints, no some of them were bankers who'd as soon as rip u off as look at u, inside trading stock brokers, crooked cops, etc did i know any of them, no, did i have the decency to mark they're passing by keeping quiet Yes.
It's what u do, whether u agree/know/dislike/don't care etc.
And just for example i suspect Highbury (Arsenal) would keep a minutes silence if Alex Ferguson up and died, and most of those fans hate him.
The_Sorrow
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Flynn said:
The disrepect for the Pope is sickening. The man did so many great things in his lifetime and people are trying to find ways to put him down and the Catholic faith as a whole.
The_Sorrow said:
Mother Teresa did great things in her lifetime. The Pope wore funny hats and drove around in a bulletproof golfcart. You should realize the difference.
The church has lost membership in most civilized countries, has had a fair share of scandals, and still fails to recognize women as an equal.
Not exactly a great resume.
Space Age Playboy
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Look at the history of violence in Northern Ireland between protestants and catholics. There's friction between the two groups. They don't want to honor a man who is the head of a sect they don't agree with, a man who catholics claim is infallible and the leader of the christian religion.Spike Spiegel said:
He ran a medieval bureaucracy, big deal. He and the catholic faith, and all faiths for that matter, deserve any disrespect anyone has for them.The_Sorrow said:
Space Age Playboy
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Why not direct that comment at the grown-up fairy tale believers?Loki said:
Space Age Playboy said:
Because last time I checked, I had a brain, and I believe in God. Therefore, I don't need to "grow" anything-- you, however, do. Further, people are entitled to their own beliefs; the fact that you'd choose to castigate others for their personal beliefs evinces a puerility the likes of which hasn't been seen around these parts in quite some time-- and that's saying something.
Fact: Supposedly grown men who actively disrespect others based on their personal beliefs (whatever the ideology-- religious or otherwise) have shown themselves to be anything but. For your own sake, I hope you learn how to get along in the world one day. You do yourself no favors in the eyes of anyone here by behaving in the manner in which you have.
DjangoReinhardt
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Spike Spiegel said:
The Pope isn't being recognized because he's a world leader; he's being recognized because he was a prominent Judeo-Christian. Sporting events are not an appropriate place to push ideology on people. Hell, I don't even think we should have "God Bless America," "The Star-Spangled Banner" or equivalent at them.
Space Age Playboy
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I apologize for directing your insult back at you. You obviously have a brain, because the human brain is what created and perpetuates the myth of "god".Loki said:
Space Age Playboy said:
There's no need to apologize to me-- believe me, my ego's not that fragile. You're well within your rights to disagree with, and even internally mock, the very idea of religion and/or God. When that disagreement turns into disrespect and ultimately vituperation, however, you've crossed all sorts of lines...
Let this be a lesson to you.
Manick Joe
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Pfft whatever about the Pope.
But seriously, screw yourself with the Philly comments. My city is no worse then Boston, New York, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc.
But seriously, screw yourself with the Philly comments. My city is no worse then Boston, New York, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc.
Ninja Scooter said:
The post of the thread.
seanoff said:
Pffft...I'd be drinking gin and juice and whooping it up myself. :lol
DjangoReinhardt said:
Agreed here...never understood why anthems are played before club games. A lot of time it simply asks for trouble.
And I bet the Pope doesn't get booed if Hearts is playing say, Dundee United. Because Celtic has been a soccer power in Scotland since the dark ages and likely despised by fans from every other team, and because it's fanbase is largely Catholic, I reckon the fans felt they had to respond in their own appropriate fashion. Was it right? Probably not...but neither is stuffing the Pope down everybody's throat for over a week.
SatelliteOfLove
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Ristamar said:
But the Pope was a SINNER! Don't you see? He should be damned forever for those sins in the minds of the public at large, because that's the way it is!
OK, the tributes go on too long at times for me, I admit it; but what place have I got to mock and make snide remarks? None. I give the man respect, understand he made a few stupid judgements, and get the hell on with my life; I wish some people would, too.
On one hand, the booing was a bit stupid.
On the other hand, expecting Scotland soccer fans to observe a moment of silence for a man who represents what they don't really like, especially after a week of constant unending media bombardment is also a bit stupid.
I personally see it as a glaring lack of common sense on both sides. At least naked people with websites on their backs weren't running on the field.
On the other hand, expecting Scotland soccer fans to observe a moment of silence for a man who represents what they don't really like, especially after a week of constant unending media bombardment is also a bit stupid.
I personally see it as a glaring lack of common sense on both sides. At least naked people with websites on their backs weren't running on the field.
SolidSnakex
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The only downside to this is that its going to give the media the media even more stuff to talk about. This time about how anyone could possibly dislike the guy. So another week of nonstop Pope conversation.
Stevie Gerrard
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Hearts are traditionally the protestant team in Edinburgh.Spike Spiegel said:
Glasgow: Celtic = catholic, Rangers = protestant
Edinburgh: Hibs = catholic, Hearts = protestant
Although the bigotry and hatred between the edinburgh fans is nothing like the glasgow fans, there is still some feeling there. It's ridiculous I know. But it's nothing to do with football really.
I'm from Poland and I... gave up on defending John Paul II on the internet. Too many stupid motherfuckers spewing shit about Pope only because they are on messageboards. Go meet your family or co-workers and try to do the same.
Fucking cold bastards. Try to be a part of society SOMETIMES at least.
R.I.P.
Karol Wojtyła
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Fucking cold bastards. Try to be a part of society SOMETIMES at least.
R.I.P.
Karol Wojtyła
18 V 1920 - 2 IV 2005
SolidSnakex
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Borys said:
You really think people aren't vocally against the Pope when they aren't on the internet? Come on now.
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