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Fox News: 60% want to keep ACA and make it better; 74% want GOP to reach out to Dems
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Septimus Prime
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"What if we reach out and slap them in the face? Is that still reaching out?" -GOP
Blood Diamonds
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are they serious...after all this time....
titiklabingapat
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It's a scientific poll, not an online poll.
Elfforkusu
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The elected party has lurched to the right due to perceived incompetence and lack of commitment ("RINOs"), not because its constituents have actually lurched to the right doctrine-wise.
"want small government" -> the guys we elected couldn't do it -> go further right -> they couldn't do it either -> maybe an outsider can do it -> nope -> ???
Autodidact
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Fox News actually conducts decent polling; as I recall, 538 gives them an A-. They may spin the hell out of those numbers, but the numbers themselves should be pretty accurate.
SciencePilot
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"Make it better" is such a vague phrase it's hard to derive much meaning from this poll. Who would say no to making something better? It would be more interesting if the poll had proposed a specific way to make it better, and asked about that.
Lots of people wanted the ACA *gone*. Not better, just scrapped and replaced. Indeed it took Trump winning and fucking everything up for people to actually warm up to it.
Lower premiums, lower deductibles, more people covered, ect.
You can safely assume that they don't mean tax breaks for rich people like the GOP thinks should be the core of a healthcare plan.
There are lots of idiots who actually believed that the Republicans care about making the healthcare system better.
Yoshi
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I just wonder, what does "improve it" mean to the people on the poll? If improvement means raising coverage and make substitute it more for financially weaker people, then good, but republicans talked abotu "improvments" as well, which hardly qualify as such.
There's no possible way to make a healthcare act more conservative than the ACA without removing millions from insurance and blocking more from getting it. It's literally a weakened version of Romneycare, hell it's even closer to Nixoncare. It's as Republican as it comes.
People, even those in the right, are starting to not fall for the rhetoric that the GOP was serving for the past few years anymore because their replacement is completely and utterly worse for them. The GOP really need to suck it up and work with the democrats to fix the ACA. It's here to stay unless they want to lose their seats to the democrats in a blue wave ala 2006.
People, even those in the right, are starting to not fall for the rhetoric that the GOP was serving for the past few years anymore because their replacement is completely and utterly worse for them. The GOP really need to suck it up and work with the democrats to fix the ACA. It's here to stay unless they want to lose their seats to the democrats in a blue wave ala 2006.
Even most Republican voters think that such things are improvements. The people that they elected lied to them.
Yep.
Yep, most people are not right wing ideologues.
They're old. Their coverage got better with ACA. That irrationality that Fox News has drilled into them begins to crack once their own lives are on the line.
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Autodidact
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What an interesting health care proposal!
Pretty much. People are idiots, but they sure can smarten up when something affects them directly.
Having said that, I have to say I really wasn't expecting the numbers to be as high as they are. 74% is a lot.
I don't even know how I managed to post this here instead of the NRA thread. It's been a long day folks
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Conciliator
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yeah, the GOP's constituency ain't the people so it doesn't really matter what they think.
Uh, it's their people, so it kind of does quite a bit when the GOP has the power it currently does.
It is a pretty rightwing healthcare bill (well about as rightwing as one could be and still be an improvement). But that's because they had to get conservative Democrats to vote for it. Joe Lieberman (well, technically he had left the Democratic party by that point) basically killed the public option.
Zero Republicans voted for it.
Shadow Puppetry
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FAKE POLLS BY FAKE NEWS CNN!
Oh, wait.
Oh, wait.
Azure Dream
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Still would be a pretty good one. Would cut down on the demand for health care significantly.
Kuroi Gogeta
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This is Obama's biggest success. No matter what happens, he will be remembered as the president that made healthcare a priority for voters. Now if a politician even implies that things would be going back to the way they were, will literally be shouted down and threatened by their constituents.
The only way the healthcare "debate" can go now is how to get more coverage for more people and for less money.
The only way the healthcare "debate" can go now is how to get more coverage for more people and for less money.
TheUzukiLives
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So I guess the high of our Anti-PC, 14th dimension chess strategist, cheeto encrusted overlord is finally wearing off, huh? I can only hope rural America is coming to the realization that their Manly man of a president doesn't give two fucks about them.
Who would have thunk that a conman, billionaire, reality TV star from NYC doesn't give a shit about rednecks in West Virginia?
FullMetalx117
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Fox News viewers aren't even much of an issue compared to those who watch The Blaze
Isn't The Blaze owned by Glenn Beck who is anti-Trump?
astroturfing
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since when has it mattered what the public wants?
it matters more what the biggest industries want.
it matters more what the biggest industries want.
Bubba_Sparks
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I mean, to the Breitbart readership it's all part of Big Journalism. So basically it's all fake news.
The healthcare industry seems pretty anti-Trumpcare.
DeaconKnowledge
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Trump will never do this. He's on a mission to destroy everything Obama had anything to do with.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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:lol He's successfully making Obamacare popular, it's incredible that by trying to destroy Obama's legacy he's actually made it stronger.
Nappuccino
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They had a lot of input from republicans who, like you said, didn't vote on it. The ACA could have been more left-wing if they hadn't valued the views of the opposing side.
They gave the Republicans a chance to have input. But Republican input didn't actually alter the bill in any meaningful way.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-health-plan-incorporates-ideas-of-Democ/
The real reason that Obamacare is not as liberal as many would like is because of blue dog Democrats, especially in the Senate.
Pretty much. Hell, just replace ACA with Obamacare and the numbers would invert.
The Fox New poll referred to it as Obamacare. I used ACA because Obamacare wouldn't fit in the thread title.
Hooligan69
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FTFY
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