Gates to Yamauchi: If you let us buy Nintento, we will do it

trippingmartian said:
What is your point?
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Metaphysically:
I don't think anyone can answer that fully. We're all told that we're put on this rock for a reason, especially by members of the clergy. But the truth of the matter is that in a pure, biological sense, all of our "points" are to simply feed, fuck, and die. Of course, anything that happens between those three goals is all well and good, or at least you should strive for that. You only live once, unless you believe in reincarnation, which is cool on paper, but the actual logistics kind of make you wonder.

In this thread:
Sony hate is lame.
 
Sony brought down the evil empire and made their own evil empire. The difference being some are still sore that the original empire is sorta lost and trying to find its way through the whole mess. See,its all Sony's fault. :b
 
trippingmartian said:
How can we acknowledge what is not publicly known? I have not witnessed either the Xenon nor the Revolution.
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We know enough about Xenon's guts to come to the conclusion that it's *basically* a GameCube-like system. IBM's G5 CPU, ATi GPU, etc. It's a safe assumption to make that the Revolution will follow the same formula, but for more obvious reasons than Microsoft's whiplash-inducing design change from their Intel/nVidia setup.

trippingmartian said:
Retort: What did Sony ever do for you?
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I'm not the one moaning about them (one way or another.) You, on the other hand, want to see Sony "die." I'm guessing you're either still bitter about the Dreamcast, which was about as much Sony's fault as it is Honda's that the Civic outsells the Corolla, or have this strange fixation on not liking whoever's on top "just because."
 
xsarien said:
We know enough about Xenon's guts to come to the conclusion that it's *basically* a GameCube-like system. IBM's G5 CPU, ATi GPU, etc. It's a safe assumption to make that the Revolution will follow the same formula, but for more obvious reasons than Microsoft's whiplash-inducing design change from their Intel/nVidia setup.
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There's a bit of a mixup here. I was only talking about the superficialities. I.E. Casing. Controllers. Peripherals. etc
I'm not the one moaning about them (one way or another.) You, on the other hand, want to see Sony "die."
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What can I say?
 
P90 said:
Sony is in a tight economic crunch. They are cash poor, relatively.

I would expect Nintendo to merge with other software houses before being bought out. Think of the leverage a Nintendo/SquareEnix merger would have. Or a Nintendo/Capcom/Namco merger. They could be even be a third party, console-wise and make Sony or MS give them the sweetest royalty deal ever, forever. Similar to what the Big N makes on their own hardware: 50-75% profit.
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OMG. Where do you get these numbers?

1) Sony has 9 billion in the bank vs 6 billion for Nintendo. Of course, that doesn't match Microsoft's 56 billion (of which, they're dropping 30 billion as a one-time shareholder payout)

2) You think NIntendo makes 50-75% on their hardware? Lunacy!
 
Sony after the Nintendo CD-Rom fiasco...

"The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner,now I am the master."

Gee,somethings not right. Where does that leave Microsoft? I thought they were the most evil.
 
No fair though. Theyre suppose to be the grand emperor of all evil,you can't use the PC market here. It doesn't apply well for Gaming Age arguments. Haha.
 
T-1000_Model3 said:
No fair though. Theyre suppose to be the grand emperor of all evil,you can't use the PC market here. It doesn't apply well for Gaming Age arguments. Haha.
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Why do you think they're in the game market?? To give us good games? LOL. They're here to protect/extend the Windows empire. Not a rap on them. Sony is here to try and protect/extend their CE/Content distribution.
 
Screw it though,Bill's agenda turned out to be a positive for consumers. Its not like Xbox is a bad console.

Its all greed for every 1st party in the end,he is out to protect Windows,as much as Sony and Nintendo are out to protect their own bottom line as well.
 
sonycowboy said:
2) You think NIntendo makes 50-75% on their hardware? Lunacy!
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On all their hardware sure, maybe even higher. On GameCube alone though it's doubtful, they've always had razor thin margins (both in profit and loss) there.
 
jarrod said:
On all their hardware sure, maybe even higher. On GameCube alone though it's doubtful, they've always had razor thin margins (both in profit and loss) there.
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On the Gamecube it's doubtful? That's crazy talk. A margin on 50% on a $99 dollar item is $50. You think the Gamecube or a GBA-SP only cost them $25-$50 per unit to make?

Or are you just referring to the official controllers, cables, peripherals, etc. On those, all these guys make tons o' dough.

When we say hardware, I'm assuming you mean the systems themselves, not accessories.
 
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sonycowboy said:
So you think a GBA-SP only cost them $25-$50 per unit to make?

Or are you just referring to the official controllers, cables, peripherals, etc. On those, all these guys make tons o' dough.

When we say hardware, I'm assuming you mean the systems themselves, not accessories.
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Well the GBA cost somewhere around $20 to make, supposedly.
 
AniHawk said:
Well the GBA cost somewhere around $20 to make, supposedly.
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I'd have to see some support for that. I can't imagine they could make it anywhere near that cheap (screen, processor, casing, battery, etc)
 
Templar Wizard said:
jeez, fanbois and their rantings.

ask yourselves this question:
do you care what system the next-gen Zelda or Mario or other stock nintendo brand comes out on?
do you really care??????

and think on this: nintendo are a company, a bidness. money talks. fuck the fans. you will all buy their games regardless of what system.
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Normally I'd agree with you, but we're talking about MS here. One of their long-term goals is to shift this industry (on both the PC and gaming sides) to a Phantom-style model where you never buy software on fixed media, and will be stuck paying monthly fees in order to keep using the games or apps you're interested in. And while DCharlie's pointed out in a previous thread that Sony seems to have similar long-term ambitions, I haven't seen any Sony products surrepetitiously collecting information about their users and sending it back to Sony HQ for resale, use in targeted marketing campaigns, or anything else you'd care to imagine. MS, on the other hand, embeds these kinds of data-gathering routines in everything from PC OS's to cable boxes. (Google for it.) So in the scheme of things, I'd consider them the lesser of two evils.

So while I'll buy and enjoy Microsoft products in the short term, I'm strongly opposed to their long-term plans for PC's and consoles. Unless they abandon that entire mode of thinking (which I don't ever see happening), I wouldn't ever want to see them consolidate their hold on the industry to the point where they're the dominant force in American households. Acquiring Nintendo would bring them closer to that goal, and for that reason alone, I'm strongly opposed to the idea. Sorry, but in this case, it's about more than just the games. An MS-controlled industry could potentially have more serious long-term repercussions.
 
Templar Wizard said:
jeez, fanbois and their rantings.

ask yourselves this question:
do you care what system the next-gen Zelda or Mario or other stock nintendo brand comes out on?
do you really care??????

and think on this: nintendo are a company, a bidness. money talks. fuck the fans. you will all buy their games regardless of what system.
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So why do Xbox "fanbois" want Nintendo games on their console so much? If they were so interested they would go out and buy a GCN and the games they want, wouldn't they?

Nintendo can survive on its own. Think of the SNK Neo Geo system, but with more games.

Viva La Revolution!!
 
sonycowboy said:
On the Gamecube it's doubtful? That's crazy talk. A margin on 50% on a $99 dollar item is $50. You think the Gamecube or a GBA-SP only cost them $25-$50 per unit to make?
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GameCube certianly not... GBA SP is likely within the lower end of that range however, not to mention the old cheapo GBAs (which are still in production) and iQue. Nintendo reaps a healthy profit off hardware, easily 50-75% looking at the volumes of GBAs they push out.
 
jarrod said:
GameCube certianly not... GBA SP is likely within the lower end of that range however, not to mention the old cheapo GBAs (which are still in production) and iQue. Nintendo reaps a healthy profit off hardware, easily 50-75% looking at the volumes of GBAs they push out.
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I doubt that. They'd probably not making that much nor is the SP that cheap. They probably don't make a profit but no loss there either. They reap it in via royalties, game sales (dev time on GBA titles, smaller team, short time = cheaper)

SPEAKING OF WHICH

royalities. The other reason why MS is dying to get MS as its 1st party is also because..

no one in the east wants to make games for their console anymore, so there's a vaccum where the whole point of console making is; collecting royalities from the guys who pay to be on your console. The fact that MS is paying people to get games on their console means that its not going to work in the long term. And I wonder...

which of the companies they work with now will be happy to continue producing titles for the xbox/xenon when their kickbacks are gone. Probably non. SEGA is learning the hard way with their horrible sales; no matter how much they get from MS; you have to wonder how their gonads feel at their sales on the xbox.

The way MS has run their business is and will backfire on them in the long run. The Xbox business model is what consumers and developers are used to and this model is flawed. I doubt its sustainable for another gen.

Xenon = DC
 
Buggy Loop said:
Nintendo is pretty much bulletproof since they bought back their shares in 2002-2003, it was like what, 4.2 billions in two shots? If not more.

Why do you think he says they'll buy them if they let it happen? Cause they cant make an hostile takeover on nintendo.
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As stated earlier, the Untouchables.
 
from what i studied of the leaked xenon architecture, and know of the cell and revolution architectures (almost nothing), it seems that all three are similar designs. its not really a case of MS aping the nintendo design, rather choosing to go with parallel processing, rather than brute forcing another intel/nvidia design. i'd say they were influenced more by cell than anything.
 
for the sake of competition, it makes more sense for #2 and #3 to team up (Nintendo and MS) to combat #1 (Sony), much like how HP and Compaq merged to combat Dell. But whatever, it won't happen until Nintendo actually starts losing money.
 
"It would be a great investment," said Perrin Kaplan, vice president of marketing and corporate affairs for Nintendo. "We're a very successful company. But the bad news for Mr. Gates is we're not for sale."-Perrin Kaplan
 
What I'd like to see instead is Nintendo buy MS out, wow that would be a laugh, but its never gonna happen cause well WTF does MS have that Nintendo wants/need :D
 
Lisa Lashes said:
"It would be a great investment," said Perrin Kaplan, vice president of marketing and corporate affairs for Nintendo. "We're a very successful company. But the bad news for Mr. Gates is we're not for sale."-Perrin Kaplan
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Nicely put. :)
 
Lisa Lashes said:
"It would be a great investment," said Perrin Kaplan, vice president of marketing and corporate affairs for Nintendo. "We're a very successful company. But the bad news for Mr. Gates is we're not for sale."-Perrin Kaplan
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Bill Gates could offer to do me in the ass, but I'd say no. Then he'd show up at my doorstep with a trunk load of cash and I'd turn around, pull my pants down, and bend over.

It ain't over.
 
Well, there are these little things that Japanese companies have that you might be lacking in your Billy-Ass-Rape reference. They're called pride and self-respect. Now if MS wasn't a "foreign" entity, we could be looking at a different story...
 
I would love for this to happen personally. If Nintendo had freedom to make what they wanted when they wanted, and had a hand in hardware creation etc.. (like partners), this would be a match made in heaven. Microsoft has the mature shit pegged pretty well and can promote like a motherfucker. Nintendo has the best mascot/franchise games. They would be unstoppable.
 
Halo said:
Bill Gates could offer to do me in the ass, but I'd say no. Then he'd show up at my doorstep with a trunk load of cash and I'd turn around, pull my pants down, and bend over.

It ain't over.
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god, you're such a whore. can I get some gafers to pool a lot of money together and shove hot coals up your ass?
 
"does Kamisama speaks for all the shareholders?"

technically, doesn't kamisama speak for everybody? at least everybody with some sort of faith?
 
From what I see, gamers want to see Halo, Mario, Zelda and Metroid on one platform. So, wouldn't it be easier to move Halo to a Nintendo system, than to move all of Nintendo's titles to the Halo system? :)

Seriously though, I think a collaboration, not buyout, would be advantageous to both companies. Microsoft could release their wares through Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo through Microsoft elsewhere. Personally though, I don't want to see it happen, but I could see the reasoning behind it if it did.
 
"Nintendo is pretty much bulletproof since they bought back their shares in 2002-2003, it was like what, 4.2 billions in two shots? If not more."

Check out the break down of Nintendos shareholders and see why Nintendo are in absolutely no way bullet proof.

"technically, doesn't kamisama speak for everybody? at least everybody with some sort of faith?"

Nope. How many of those shareholders give a shit about Nintendo and what they do? I'm guessing about 1% outside of Nintendo held stock is held by fanboys.

"Nope, but the majority shareholder is by far Yamauchi. Nintendo regularly buys it's stock back to prevent the kind of hostile takeover scenerio you're suggesting, actually "

so... tell me what percentage of stock is owned by Yamauchi and Nintendo, then tell me how that stops a take over bid?
 
Halo said:
Bill Gates could offer to do me in the ass, but I'd say no. Then he'd show up at my doorstep with a trunk load of cash and I'd turn around, pull my pants down, and bend over.

It ain't over.
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That's true, for all we know Yamauchi may actually give in for the right price. BTW this news report is definitely new. CNN, Yahoo!, IGN, etc are all reporting it.

"If Hiroshi Yamauchi phones me up, I will pick up at once," Gates explained to the German magazine WirtschaftsWoche during an analyst conference in Frankfurt yesterday.

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/535/535916p1.html
 
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