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[ourumov]

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/english/gcrank_e.html

It's fucking amazing how they have gone...Nintendo launches the system and months later PS0 appears, a semi-port of a DC game. Well, the game easily breaks the 100k mark in a few weeks. The same could be said about SA2 which sold pretty good as well.

Namco's turn. Both SC2 and Tales of Symphonia feature respectable sales...And the same can be said about FF::CC which despite sucking huge ammounts it reached 400k...

Now to Capcom. They release Biohazard which sells pretty good on the first days reaching 300k units which is not bad at all. Months later Biohazard 0 appears selling a respectable ammount too, being the first GC title in Japan from a 3rd party.

NOW, tell me why RE4 is doing SO POOR ! Sorry but I don't get it. The game seems good, they have done tons of adds and there were tons of people who bought 1 and 0 ! How can it be that the JP audience doesn't give a fuck about it ?

I don't get it...And sure CAPCOM must be like me...If this game bombs on both PS2 and GC, I believe Capcom will be in serious finantial troubles.

 

[Speevy]

I can think of very few instances in which porting a game from the Xbox/GCN to the PS2 made it sell better than its original console iteration. It's nice to get more sales, but games like Viewtiful Joe don't appeal to the PS2 audience...not at all. Okami's going to bomb too. (in the US)

 

[SantaC]

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/english/gcrank_e.html

It's fucking amazing how they have gone...Nintendo launches the system and months later PS0 appears, a semi-port of a DC game. Well, the game easily breaks the 100k mark in a few weeks. The same could be said about SA2 which sold pretty good as well.

Namco's turn. Both SC2 and Tales of Symphonia feature respectable sales...And the same can be said about FF::CC which despite sucking huge ammounts it reached 400k...

Now to Capcom. They release Biohazard which sells pretty good on the first days reaching 300k units which is not bad at all. Months later Biohazard 0 appears selling a respectable ammount too, being the first GC title in Japan from a 3rd party.

NOW, tell me why RE4 is doing SO POOR ! Sorry but I don't get it. The game seems good, they have done tons of adds and there were tons of people who bought 1 and 0 ! How can it be that the JP audience doesn't give a fuck about it ?

I don't get it...And sure CAPCOM must be like me...If this game bombs on both PS2 and GC, I believe Capcom will be in serious finantial troubles.

Dunno. Several factors might weight in. Maybe the japanese gamers didn't like changes?

 

[Bebpo]

Ummm, maybe because REmake and RE0 weren't coming to PS2?

 

[ourumov]

Are you telling me that the +300K guys that bought the GC version of RE0 are just waiting for a PS2 release that will come later ?
Why ? I can't see the reason. Just to screw Nintendo ?

 

[Bebpo]

Are you telling me that the +300K guys that bought the GC version of RE0 are just waiting for a PS2 release that will come later ?
Why ? I can't see the reason. Just to screw Nintendo ?

Maybe they sold their systems as GC releases dried up? When RE0 was released GC was still healthy unlike now.

 

[ThirdEye]

Nintendo = GameBoy

 

[Jonnyboy117]

Could be that they think RE4 looks and plays like an FPS. They're wrong, of course, but imagine how Killer 7 is going to bomb.

 

[john tv]

Maybe because the game was only out for three days when they compiled those sales figures?

 

[StRaNgE]

maybe the Japanese gamer does not like the over the shoulder viewpoint and other changes that have made it so popular in the U.S.?

going waaaaay out on a limb on that one.

 

[Zerodoppler]

Maybe the japanese Nintendo fanboys are worse than those in the west. "No exclusive, no buy! Capbitch!"

 

[Solid]

Maybe the japanese Nintendo fanboys are worse than those in the west. "No exclusive, no buy! Capbitch!"

That's my theory as well :lol

 

[norinrad21]

Maybe the japanese Nintendo fanboys are worse than those in the west. "No exclusive, no buy! Capbitch!"

 

[jarrod]

Just for fun...

Top 10 GC 3rd Party Sales
01 Resident Evil 0 (Capcom) 400,750
02 Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 2 (TOMY) 396,608
03 Naruto: Gekitoh Ninja Taisen 3 (TOMY) 356,589
04 Final Fantasy: Crystal Cronicles (Square Enix) 354,991
05 Tales of Symphonia (Namco) 315,466
06 Resident Evil (Capcom) 267,470
07 From TV animation ONE PIECE: Treasure Battle! (Bandai) 250,917
08 Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (Sega) 192,186
09 Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! (TOMY) 182,420
10 Resident Evil 4 (Capcom) 145,533


Top 10 N64 3rd Party Sales
01 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 6 (Konami) 323,158
02 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 2000 (Konami) 266,028
03 Mysterious Dungeon: Siren the Wanderer 2 (Chun Soft) 238,227
04 Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber (Quest) 200,770
05 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 4 (Konami) 185,319
06 Bomberman 64 (Hudson) 172,547
07 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 5 (Konami) 164,532
08 Mystical Ninja starring Goemon (Konami) 141,178
09 Goemon's Great Adventure (Konami) 111,945
10 Jikkyo Powerful Baseball basic Version 2001 (Konami) 112,008


Top 10 GBA 3rd Party Sales
01 Megaman Battle Network 4: Red Sun/ Blue Moon (Capcom) 930,850
02 Dragon Quest Monsters: Caravan Heart (Square Enix) 593,812
03 Mega Man Battle Network 3 White (Capcom) 500,001
04 Mega Man Battle Network 2 (Capcom) 446,938
05 Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (Square Enix) 441,926
06 Yu-Gi-OH! Duel Monsters 5 (Konami) 410,534
07 Slime Morimori Dragon Quest: Shougeki no Shippo Dan (Square Enix) 346,299
08 Mega Man Battle Network 5 Team of Blues (Capcom) 332,974
09 Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (Square Enix) 308,534
10 Super Robot Taisen R (Banpresto) 285,314

 

[Mihail]

I'm guessing it's the FPS aiming. Either that or Nintendo has become nearly irrelevant in the market. But, hey, I can't tell; dating and horse racing sims are still huge amongst those crazies.

 

[Axsider]

Ummm, maybe because REmake and RE0 weren't coming to PS2?

!!

 

[Miburou]

That'll teach them to call it "4 Biohazard".

 

[Doogdogg]

That'll teach them to call it "4 Biohazard".

It started with 0 Biohazard.

 

[ge-man]

I definately think a lot of different factors are weighing in. Some posters living in Japan have mentioned store owners telling gamers that RE4 is coming to the PS2, so I think Capcom's announcement may have had an effect, though I suspect that it is small. Also, I'm seriously wondering if the changes to the core game have turned some gamers off from the experince. While it isn't a straight FPS, it's definately an action heavy game with very little of the REisms of past games. The game is also very challenging, which doesn't help Capcom with pull in more casual gamers.

Keep in mind that the second part is mostly speculation based on my limited knowledge. JohnTV has a point--it might be little to early to say anything in spite of how the market generally works.

 

[Miburou]

It started with 0 Biohazard.

Nope.

http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B00006D2D9.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

 

[Jonnyram]

Just for fun...

01 Megaman Battle Network 4: Red Sun/ Blue Moon (Capcom) 930,850
03 Mega Man Battle Network 3 White (Capcom) 500,001
04 Mega Man Battle Network 2 (Capcom) 446,938
08 Mega Man Battle Network 5 Team of Blues (Capcom) 332,974

Holy crap!

02 Dragon Quest Monsters: Caravan Heart (Square Enix) 593,812
05 Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (Square Enix) 441,926
07 Slime Morimori Dragon Quest: Shougeki no Shippo Dan (Square Enix) 346,299
09 Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (Square Enix) 308,534

Go Square Enix!

Although margins on the GBA are typically piss poor, I reckon Capcom must be laughing to the bank with the Mega Man games. Square could also make a lot with cheap and cheerful ports, if they wanted, but it seems like they'll be porting stuff to DS rather than GBA at this stage (bigger margins, for sure).

 

[Blackace]

Holy crap!

Go Square Enix!

Although margins on the GBA are typically piss poor, I reckon Capcom must be laughing to the bank with the Mega Man games. Square could also make a lot with cheap and cheerful ports, if they wanted, but it seems like they'll be porting stuff to DS rather than GBA at this stage (bigger margins, for sure).

Capcom: "We made your kid buy the same gameboy game 8 times"

 

[teruterubozu]

Probably cuz you can't blow the heads off villagers in the Japanese version.
They got ripped.

Heh!

Honestly, I think Japanese gamers prefer familiarity. They want that clunky, fixed-camera, item box-style RE. Dragon Quest has to be the same, Final Fantasy has to be the same--NO CHANGES EVAR!

 

[jarrod]

Holy crap!

Go Square Enix!

Although margins on the GBA are typically piss poor, I reckon Capcom must be laughing to the bank with the Mega Man games. Square could also make a lot with cheap and cheerful ports, if they wanted, but it seems like they'll be porting stuff to DS rather than GBA at this stage (bigger margins, for sure).

Remember, those are just single versions of the MMBN games (except 4, which saw both versions release simultaneously). For totals...

MegaMan Battle Network~ 207,288
MegaMan Battle Network 2~ 446,938
MegaMan Battle Network 3 (Blue+Black)~ 668,947
MegaMan Battle Network 4 (Red Sun+Blue Moon+4.5)~ 1,006,879
MegaMan Battle Network 5 (Blues)~ 332,974

...the Colonel version of EXE.5 still has to release yet too (expect another 200-300k). The DS game (EXE6?) should be huge. Also, here's the other notable Square Enix GBA releases if you're wondering...

-Sword of Mana (Square Enix) 277,634
-Final Fantasy 1&2: Dawn of Souls (Square Enix) 270,789
-Dragon Quest Characters: Toruneko no Daibouken 2 Advance (Square Enix) 181,024
-Dragon Quest Characters: Toruneko no Daibouken 3 Advance (Square Enix) 116,948

 

[Shard]

And there was a great weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Odnetnin]

Maybe because the game was only out for three days when they compiled those sales figures?

THE ONLY SANE PERSON IN THIS THREAD and me.

 

[KeithFranklin]

Maybe because the game was only out for three days when they compiled those sales figures?

People that say this dont pay much attention to game sales in Japan. In most cases the games in Japan sell the most on day 1.

 

[Pellham]

RE4 isn't doing so well because the Gamecube is pretty much at the end of its lifespan in Japan. Systems' game sales always tend to do terrible around then.

 

[Particle Physicist]

NOW, tell me why RE4 is doing SO POOR ! Sorry but I don't get it. The game seems good, they have done tons of adds and there were tons of people who bought 1 and 0 ! How can it be that the JP audience doesn't give a fuck about it ?

people are waiting for the ps2 version. capcom prematurely killed the gc version.

 

[jarrod]

In most cases the games in Japan sell the most on day 1.

In most cases on PlayStations. On Nintendo platforms, it varies from 20-50% 1st week usually.

 

[ourumov]

Top 10 N64 3rd Party Sales
01 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 6 (Konami) 323,158
02 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 2000 (Konami) 266,028
03 Mysterious Dungeon: Siren the Wanderer 2 (Chun Soft) 238,227
04 Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber (Quest) 200,770
05 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 4 (Konami) 185,319
06 Bomberman 64 (Hudson) 172,547
07 Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 5 (Konami) 164,532
08 Mystical Ninja starring Goemon (Konami) 141,178
09 Goemon's Great Adventure (Konami) 111,945
10 Jikkyo Powerful Baseball basic Version 2001 (Konami) 112,008

I love when Nintendo fans bash Konami for lack of support...Like if they didn't pay enough for it in the N64 era...

RE4 isn't doing so well because the Gamecube is pretty much at the end of its lifespan in Japan. Systems' game sales always tend to do terrible around then.

Tell that to Bahamut Lagoon, Chronno Trigger, DKC3, DQVI, DQVII...

 

[drohne]

i don't understand how the announcement of a ps2 version is killing sales of the gamecube version of re4. it'd obviously dissuade people from buying a gamecube to play re4, but i don't see how it affects the x million people who already own gamecubes. do lots of gamecube owners think like that poor gafer who was pilloried by the nintendo mob when he declared that he was waiting for the ps2 version's extra features? or do gamecube owners really disdain non-exclusives, even when they're exceptionally good and exceptionally hyped? both explanations seem inadequate.

if it's that gamecube owners have lost interest in their gamecubes, then that's a broader problem that a ps2 version of re4 can't explain. i also wonder whether re4 is really to the tastes of nintendo's audience.

 

[Azih]

do lots of gamecube owners think like that poor gafer who was pilloried by the nintendo mob when he declared that he was waiting for the ps2 version's extra features?

To be fair it was faaar from only the nintendo mob ambushing that dude. It was a GAF lynching that transcended all system loyalties and factions.

 

[Deg]

a) Nintendo dont want mature games to sell.

b) Nintendo cant even hype their own games.

 

[ourumov]

It's even more dramatic when comparing with the charts for DC:

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/dcrank.html


I refuse to believe Nintendo brought CAPCOM to the GC just to make the userbase grow in order to sell more Nintendo games. Sorry but I don't buy that (despite it makes sense...oh shit).

 

[jarrod]

Yeah, GameCube looks great compared to the other non PS2 platforms this generation.


Top 10 DC 3rd Party Sales
01 Resident Evil Code: Veronica (Capcom) 403,964
02 Seaman (Vivarium) 396,191
03 Soul Calibur (Namco) 288,604
04 Capcom Vs SNK: Millenium Fight 2000 (Capcom) 200,409
05 Grandia II (GameArts) 184,863
06 Tokyo Xtreme Racer (Genki) 160,711
07 Marvel Vs Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes (Capcom) 143,173
08 Power Stone (Capcom) 132,246
09 Dead or Alive 2 (Tecmo) 127,219
10 Capcom Vs SNK 2: Mark of the Millenium 2001 (Capcom) 118,687


Top 10 Xbox 3rd Party Sales
01 Dead or Alive 3 (Tecmo) 217,149
02 Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball (Tecmo) 127,576
03 Dead or Alive Ultimate (Tecmo) 62,089
04 Ninja Gaiden (Tecmo) 56,544
05 Murakumo (From Software) 52,436
06 Genma Onimusha (Capcom) 49,990
07 Panzer Dragoon Orta (Sega) 43,850
08 Shin Megami Tensei NINE: Stand-Alone Edition (Atlus) 42,920
09 Soul Calibur II (Namco) 31,815
10 Crazy Taxi 3: High Roller (Sega) 31,481


Top 10 WS/WSC 3rd Party Sales
01 Final Fantasy (Square) 377,367
02 Final Fantasy II (Square) 241,601
03 Romancing SaGa (Square) 37,031
04 Final Fantasy IV (Square) 36,230
05 Beatmania for WonderSwan (Konami) 21,921
06 Hanjuku Hero (Square ) 17,615
07 Wild-Card (Square) 15,340
08 Makaitoushi SaGa (Square) 14,129
09 Kaze no Klonoa: Moonlight Museum (Namco) 13,766
10 Densha de Go! (Taito) 12,215

 

[BBunny]

68  	Super Monkey Ball  	Sega/ Amusement Vision  	Action  	7,140  	09/14/01  	16,755  	53.65%  	31,232  	601,336

Only 16,755 Japanese aren´t CRAZY !!!

Amazing (poor) sales ... :_(

 

[belgurdo]

Probably cuz you can't blow the heads off villagers in the Japanese version.
They got ripped.

Heh!

Honestly, I think Japanese gamers prefer familiarity. They want that clunky, fixed-camera, item box-style RE. Dragon Quest has to be the same, Final Fantasy has to be the same--NO CHANGES EVAR!

Not enough Rape Rape University Starring Ashley minigames

 

[Bebpo]

I just want to add that the drop in sales has NOTHING to do with the gameplay changes. All the Japanese teenagers I've talked to were really excited about the new gameplay.

 

[ourumov]

It's weird but I don't see the PS2 version selling the units the GC one hasn't sold...But that's just me. For another game, perhaps...but not for this one.