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[Xater]

7 Up might have a thing or two to say about that. Dan would probably love that.

Dan loves #brands

 

[strafer]

Welcome to On The Bomb

 

[ratcliffja]

7 Up might have a thing or two to say about that. Dan would probably love that.

Ok fine. Maybe they could call it Yo Noid instead.

 

[erawsd]

Austin did that Batman article he's been talking about.

I think what Austin wants is almost impossible in an open world Batman game without being completely out of character.

Batman hanging out in a diner and just walking along the streets eavesdropping on people just undermines everything about him. You could do that with characters like Superman because Superman is a man of the people, he does press conferences, photo ops, waves to people as he passes by, hes literally saved kittens from trees. Batman is a character that lives in the shadows and what the people of Gotham know of him is largely built on a mythology of second hand accounts since few have actually seen more than a glimpse in person.

 

[Zaph]

Remember during the CBSi purchase everyone was worried they would homogenize Giant Bomb with Gamespot? I have to admit, I was legit worried something like that would happen over time.

Yeah, CBSi outright owns Giant Bomb, but the thing about hiring a bunch of editors who bolted last time to do their own personality-focused thing, if you mess with their style too much, you risk having them bolt again.

GB is fine, it just took a bit to get used to not being able to move at a start-up pace anymore (but I don't think anyone expected that glacial 18 months)

 

[Myggen]

Site is up, no merger this time.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Yeah, CBSi outright owns Giant Bomb, but the thing about hiring a bunch of editors who bolted last time to do their own personality-focused thing, if you mess with their style too much, you risk having them bolt again.

GB is fine, it just took a bit to get used to not being able to move at a start-up pace anymore (but I don't think anyone expected that glacial 18 months)

Yeah I agree, it turned great for them. I hope their move to the new space is relatively painless for them, and that they have a lot of room for antics.

 

[strafer]

That Batman article is probably the greatest article I have ever read on GiantBomb.

Keep it up.

 

[repeater]

Site is up, no merger this time.

Well, there you have it folks, straight from GB insider Myggen -- the merger is coming eventually. :|

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

That Batman article is probably the greatest article I have ever read on GiantBomb.

Keep it up.

I don't want to be a hater, but I feel like Austin actually is what Patrick wishes he could be. Deep, thoughtful examination of games, the industry, and the wider implications of games in society. I feel like the two probably share some ideals that I don't agree with, but I am responding so much more to Austin than I ever did Patrick. I actually want to hear what Austin has to say, and he is so much more eloquent.

 

[Myggen]

Well, there you have it folks, straight from GB insider Myggen -- the merger is coming eventually. :|

Ssssh.

 

[M3z_]

I don't want to be a hater, but I feel like Austin actually is what Patrick wishes he could be. Deep, thoughtful examination of games, the industry, and the wider implications of games in society. I feel like the two probably share some ideals that I don't agree with, but I am responding so much more to Austin than I ever did Patrick. I actually want to hear what Austin has to say, and he is so much more eloquent.

Can't just give a compliment to someone you like, gotta drag someone else through the mud in the process?

 

[Fjordson]

I dunno, some of that stuff in Austin's article doesn't make a ton of sense for a Batman game imo.

edit:

I think what Austin wants is almost impossible in an open world Batman game without being completely out of character.

Batman hanging out in a diner and just walking along the streets eavesdropping on people just undermines everything about him. You could do that with characters like Superman because Superman is a man of the people, he does press conferences, photo ops, waves to people as he passes by, hes literally saved kittens from trees. Batman is a character that lives in the shadows and what the people of Gotham know of him is largely built on a mythology of second hand accounts since few have actually seen more than a glimpse in person.

Basically this. Though maybe there's some comic out there where Batman / Bruce Wayne becomes a public figure. Still, I think how you describe Batman is the most interesting version of him.

 

[funkystudent]

With the PS4 re release I hope we find out what Dan thinks about Journey.

 

[TheMrPliskin]

I think what Austin wants is almost impossible in an open world Batman game without being completely out of character.

Batman hanging out in a diner and just walking along the streets eavesdropping on people just undermines everything about him. You could do that with characters like Superman because Superman is a man of the people, he does press conferences, photo ops, waves to people as he passes by, hes literally saved kittens from trees. Batman is a character that lives in the shadows and what the people of Gotham know of him is largely built on a mythology of second hand accounts since few have actually seen more than a glimpse in person.

I don't see how wanting a city that actually has some life to it is impossible for a Batman game, sure Batman isn't the kind of guy to run down a busy street but even just having the city actually be inhabited would add a lot to those games.

In Arkham Knight Batman continually talks about how he's a protector of Gotham but I found that a lot of that felt off because at this point he's protecting an empty city and a handful of policeman, there's no real feeling that you're actually this great protector of Gotham because there's nothing to protect.

 

[Felix Lighter]

E3 last year I think was an eye opener when it comes to Giant Bomb. Things changed after they were so successful bringing traffic to their video content and with some actual innovation in how they chose to cover the event. It seemed like a lot less talk of fighting for resources and dealing with endless meetings since then. There was a definite shift in how they talked about dealing with CBSi.

 

[Jothel]

Console or PC Jothel?

Oops sorry I should have said. It's a ps4 I bought a few days back

 

[maverickjesus]

Can't just give a compliment to someone you like, gotta drag someone else through the mud in the process?

Comparing two members of staff who held exactly the same role is perfectly acceptable, its just his opinion. Calm down.

 

[AuthenticM]

This is so cool!

Dude. The Bomb Crew totally needs to go to Dublin and get shitfaced with the cast of Contradiction. I'm sure Danny would be ecstatic at the idea of joining them and being their guide. They could film this and make it a series of videos.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Well, there you have it folks, straight from GB insider Myggen -- the merger is coming eventually. :|

:OOOO

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Oops sorry I should have said. It's a ps4 I bought a few days back

Ah, I see. I know the latest update has some issues on PS4 and they're looking into a fix soon. Could be related?

Comparing two members of staff who held exactly the same role is perfectly acceptable, its just his opinion. Calm down.

That's exactly why I was making the comparison. Some people don't want to hear it, I guess.

 

[mintyice]

This is so cool!

ugh she's so pretty

/nerdalert

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Oh, wow! How many of the Contradiction cast members have now reached out to the Giant Bomb community? Certainly they will have some role in the GOTY stuff, right? It's just so perfect!

 

[Xater]

ugh she's so pretty

/nerdalert

She is. Glad I'm not the one who went full creeper first.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

I don't like to diss anyone, but he's like a black hole of fun. He's a gamer designed by committee.

Chris has a better video prescence when he's not doing his video prescence, but no one tells him this.

I remember him as a mod on the Gamespot forums. The Virtual Underground was the sub forum I remember reading a lot of his posts, I think. Seems like a good dude, but I stopped reading the site around the time he was hired. And then The Great Exile happened and it might as well have been shut down, IMO.

Van Ord got Gamespot back its respectability; sucks though, he's one of the best out there.

 

[Myggen]

E3 last year I think was an eye opener when it comes to Giant Bomb. Things changed after they were so successful bringing traffic to their video content and with some actual innovation in how they chose to cover the event. It seemed like a lot less talk of fighting for resources and dealing with endless meetings since then. There was a definite shift in how they talked about dealing with CBSi.

Yeah, Jeff has talked about how they at some point got their bosses to understand what they are and what they need, might've been around that time. Sounds like it was quite the struggle, IIRC Jeff hinted on Tumblr a while back that he wasn't that far from giving up on the site at some point there.

I think getting the bosses to understand the subscription model probably went a long way. I also wouldn't be surprised if Squarespace will be willing to sponsor future GDC and E3 streams like this year's E3 stream, that Phil Spencer gif going viral with their logo all over it must've made it worth it for them alone

 

[repeater]

Dude. The Bomb Crew totally needs to go to Dublin and get shitfaced with the cast of Contradiction. I'm sure Danny would be ecstatic at the idea of joining them and being their guide. They could film this and make it a series of videos.

"Have you seen...

Spoiler

this?"

 

[tuxfool]

I don't want to be a hater, but I feel like Austin actually is what Patrick wishes he could be.

Somebody asked Patrick about Austin. His answer was the same.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Somebody asked Patrick about Austin. His answer was the same.

And that's commendable as hell.

 

[erawsd]

I don't see how wanting a city that actually has some life to it is impossible for a Batman game, sure Batman isn't the kind of guy to run down a busy street but even just having the city actually be inhabited would add a lot to those games.

Its not impossible but I think there are 3 ways to do it

1) They can just say screw it, and let you play an out of character version of Batman.

2) They give you a great big living city but they dream up all kinds of weirdness to keep Batman's interaction with it severely limited. In which case, it probably becomes a matter of whether its worth pumping lots of resources into making a living city if interactivity is so bare.

3) The streets are largely deserted but you do spot the occasional citizen who sees Batman and runs away or needs to be rescued for some reason. That type of things seems very easy to do, but it also sounds like that is exactly what Austin doesn't want.

In Arkham Knight Batman continually talks about how he's a protector of Gotham but I found that a lot of that felt off because at this point he's protecting an empty city and a handful of policeman, there's no real feeling that you're actually this great protector of Gotham because there's nothing to protect.

To be fair the game does address that.

Spoiler

Scarecrow's the gas will engulf the entire east coast

 

[Archaix]

Nobody forced them to make an open world game (Well, WB probably did, but nobody forced them). If the only open world you can do Batman in is a lifeless empty shitty open world like they keep doing, maybe stop making open worlds for Batman games.

 

[Incandenza]

This thread made me a fan of vaporwave

Spoiler

, so thanks guys!

Also: happy birthday Brad and glitchesarecool!

.nebula is best vaporwave.

 

[repeater]

.nebula is best vaporwave.

Thanks, that's not bad at all!

 

[Mister Negative]

vaporwave is cooler than it has any right to be

 

[erawsd]

Nobody forced them to make an open world game (Well, WB probably did, but nobody forced them). If the only open world you can do Batman in is a lifeless empty shitty open world like they keep doing, maybe stop making open worlds for Batman games.

I disagree that the open world is "shitty", I think its ok. That said, I actually would like to see them scale down and just focus on smaller and more linear experiences. Instead of one big 25 hour Scarecrow story where you evacuate the whole city and have to crowbar in a bunch of other villains.. just gimme a little 5 hour "episode" where hes threatening City Hall and then move on to the next villain and story.

 

[Glitchesarecool]

On the subject of Batman, you could also just make it an AU or hell, any of the Bat-family that isn't directly involved in the Manor. For example, in the latest animated thing from WB, Gods and Monsters, Batman is actually Kirk Angstrum. In the normal series and in Knight, this is the guy that turns into Man-Bat, but in this universe he turns himself into a vampire instead (using nanites!). Or you make a Nightwing game.

Spoiler

Please. Then we can work towards a Teen Titans game.

What I'm saying is that Batman and comic books in general can be very flexible.

 

[mintyice]

Is vaporwave just a new way of classifying stuff like what m83 has been doing for 10+ years aka electronic shoegaze?

 

[Archaix]

I disagree that the open world is "shitty", I think its ok. That said, I actually would like to see them scale down and just focus on smaller and more linear experiences. Instead of one big 25 hour Scarecrow story where you evacuate the whole city and have to crowbar in a bunch of other villains.. just gimme a little 5 hour "episode" where hes threatening City Hall and then move on to the next villain and story.

I don't think they've made an open world Batman game which I'd describe as "good". The last three Batmens have been mediocre at best games due mostly to their terrible open worlds.

 

[repeater]

Is vaporwave just a new way of classifying stuff like what m83 has been doing for 10+ years aka electronic shoegaze?

I'm the first to agree that proliferation of genres and "waves" seem to have gone completely bonkers in some parts of contemporary pop music (case in point: the Wikipedia page for vaporwave describes it as "a musical genre that emerged in the early 2010s from indie dance genres such as seapunk, witch house, and chillwave", I mean - what?). But I would say that whereas, from my limited experience, there are certainly commonalities between electronic shoegaze and vaporwave, the latter seems associated with some characteristics typically lacking in shoegaze.

 

[mintyice]

I'm the first to agree that proliferation of genres and "waves" seem to have gone completely bonkers in some parts of contemporary pop music (case in point: the Wikipedia page for vaporwave describes it as "a musical genre that emerged in the early 2010s from indie dance genres such as seapunk, witch house, and chillwave", I mean - what?). But I would say that whereas, from my limited experience, there are certainly commonalities between electronic shoegaze and vaporwave, the latter seems associated with some characteristics typically lacking in shoegaze.

Yeah vaporwave seems more tied to a 90s visual aesthetic but really it's not dissimilar to anything you'd hear in an H&M or uniqlo dressing room for the past decade.

 

[Incandenza]

Vaporwave is just muzak that's been chopped and screwed and had some America Online era computer nostalgia layered over it.

 

[mintyice]

.nebula is best vaporwave.

I've been listening to this and it's annoying that the songs usually end as the start to get going.

 

[Jintor]

the only part of batman games i consistently come back to anyway are infinite combat rooms

 

[AuthenticM]

Are we supposed to get a new MGS tonight ? It's less than five hours to midnight but the schedule is not displaying anything about it.

 

[No_Style]

Fuck it. I'm buying Contradiction for my iPad.

 

[Xater]

So I just started playing the iPad version of Contradiction and that version has a bunch of color correction going on to make it seem like it's dark. The scene with the symbol on the tree was in broad daylight in the PC but here it's all tinged in blue. Not a great effect because it's pretty clear this wasn't filmed whole it was dark. That's definitely a plus for the PC version.

 

[Archaix]

Based on the pictures posted earlier by the person who visited the Contradiction town, they did work on the colors in the PC version too. Red in reality is orange in the game.

 

[santeesioux]

I have a feeling this is all going to end with the entire Contradiction crew ending up on a UPF or something.

 

[OdysseusVA]

I have a feeling this is all going to end with the entire Contradiction crew ending up on a UPF or something.

Or maybe the GB crew in the Contradiction sequel?

Eh? Eh?

 

[Xater]

Based on the pictures posted earlier by the person who visited the Contradiction town, they did work on the colors in the PC version too. Red in reality is orange in the game.

There is some color correction going on there as well but it's not as aggressive as in the iPad version.