Gun-GAF, would you kill somebody for breaking into your car?

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A local news story hit today.

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - A man suspected of breaking into a car was shot and killed Monday by a homeowner in northwest Harris County.

According to investigators, the suspect was breaking into the homeowner’s pickup truck just before 5 a.m. The vehicle was parked in front of a house in the 12100 block of Oak Park Drive when the owner, who was tipped off by his barking dogs, spotted the man inside the truck, called 911 and went out with a gun.

Deputies said the 54-year-old homeowner and the 27-year-old suspect had an altercation and the homeowner shot the suspect one time, killing him.
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I just can't picture that. I would not take somebody's life over a car break-in. Would you?

Guess the alternative would be to film it and have video evidence to send the person to jail.

Fuck it. The real story here is they got into a fight and the home owner had a gun.
 
Ekdrm2d1 said:
A local news story hit today.



I just can't picture that. I would not take somebody's life over a car break-in. Would you?

Guess the alternative would be to film it and have video evidence to send the person to jail.

Fuck it. The real story here is they got into a fight and the home owner had a gun.
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What kind of altercation? Were they physically fighting?

And looking up the story:

One neighbor said crime in the neighborhood has gotten worse since Christmas. She said after hearing news of the break-in and shooting, she is taking swift action.
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Maybe the guy was concerned of something like this happening.
 
According to another article, the shooter said the magic words: the suspect had "something in his hand" and "I feared for my life".
 
According to investigators, the suspect was breaking into the homeowner’s pickup truck just before 5 a.m. The vehicle was parked in front of a house in the 12100 block of Oak Park Drive when the owner, who was tipped off by his barking dogs, spotted the man inside the truck, called 911 and went out with a gun.

Why can't the story ever end with the bolded part?
 
Goldenroad said:
According to investigators, the suspect was breaking into the homeowner’s pickup truck just before 5 a.m. The vehicle was parked in front of a house in the 12100 block of Oak Park Drive when the owner, who was tipped off by his barking dogs, spotted the man inside the truck, called 911 and went out with a gun.

Why can't the story ever end with the bolded part?
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It probably does end with that on an hourly basis, but those aren't news headlines.
 
Guevara said:
According to another article, the shooter said the magic words: the suspect had "something in his hand" and "I feared for my life".
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See:

shinobi602 said:
For the simple act of breaking into my car? Hell no. I wouldn't even take out my gun.
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If the owner never had his gun, there wouldn't have been the shooting.

Owner is at fault? Guy doing the stealing just needed money. Guess being a criminal comes at a price :/
 
No. The law's actually pretty clear on that sort of thing, this guy's probably going to jail. That's pretty much all the Concealed Carry class is, is hours of sitting in a classroom listening to all the things you can't do without severe repercussions. Something it might not hurt to have all gun owners go through, not just the ones that want to carry.

That being said, the would-be thief would have a very bad day if I actually laid hands on them.
 
SiegePhalt said:
I have belted somebody with a dumbbell bar because I caught them jumping into my backyard. I got charged but got let off easy with a fine and a good behaviour bond.

Would I shoot someone for something similar? If I had a leg to stand on in court, and a gun, I probably would.
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Damn. I assume the person in your backyard was intending to do malice? Or just somebody who hit their baseball over the fence and into your back yard / a electricity serviceman with the electricity company.

NoblesseOblige said:
I would not even kill a person who was threatening to kill me. I'm that passive when it comes to violence.
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I've asked myself this a few times. I'm not sure if I could kill somebody, period. That's somebody's child and sibling.. I'm not going to "murder" them.
 
Jedi2016 said:
No. The law's actually pretty clear on that sort of thing, this guy's probably going to jail. That's pretty much all the Concealed Carry class is, is hours of sitting in a classroom listening to all the things you can't do without severe repercussions. Something it might not hurt to have all gun owners go through, not just the ones that want to carry.

That being said, the would-be thief would have a very bad day if I actually laid hands on them.
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Yeah, the article says: "A grand jury will determine if the homeowner will be charged. "

There ya go.. rough them up a little bit. No need to end their life.
 
Id probably just issue him a fight ultimatum and fight him for the vehicle. Like Adonis Creed in Creed.
 
If people have no recourse for defending personal property, you are basically telling people their right to own said property can be forfeit at any time. Not a great recipe for a functioning society.
 
No. A gun doesn't make me a cop. I'd call the cops and hope they hurry their asses over. My gun wouldn't get drawn unless my life is in immediate danger.

In this situation, the cops and the cars panic alarm would most likely suffice.

BigBeauford said:
If people have no recourse for defending personal property, you are basically telling people their right to own said property can be forfeit at any time. Not a great recipe for a functioning society.
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I see what you mean and I kind of agree, but I don't know what that thief has and I'm not going to immediately put myself in danger or escalate a situation to a deadly one over personal property. I can replace a car, my family can't replace me.

I guess it just depends. I consider guns tools for self-defense. I feel approaching a robber breaking into a car isn't quite self-defense.
 
BigBeauford said:
If people have no recourse for defending personal property, you are basically telling people their right to own said property can be forfeit at any time. Not a great recipe for a functioning society.
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Neither is letting individuals become judge, jury and execution. In America, we've collectively decided that breaking into a car doesn't constitute a death sentence.
 
Well, was this guy shot because he tried to steal the car? Or was he shot because when the owner confronted him, he decided to fight instead of run off?

Would I confront someone trying to steal my car? Probably, yes. I really cannot afford to replace my car. If it goes missing, I would be completely screwed. But I would try to scare him off, not shoot him unless he attacks.
 
Never fuck with someone else's car.

I'm a brit so I can't shoot the ahole who tries to steal my car even if I wanted to.

But if the law was on my side, well the would be thief would be in for a very bad day.
 
Ekdrm2d1 said:
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The only correct answer.
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Thanks, I actually carry and shoot actively(at a range). When I mention it, folks immediately think that I think I'm Rambo, it simply isn't the case. Gun ownership is a major responsibility and taking a life is no joke. If you can avoid the situation and let the cops handle it, then that is what you do.
 
Effnine said:
Neither is letting individuals become judge, jury and execution. In America, we've collectively decided that breaking into a car doesn't constitute a death sentence.
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After reading the thread about the guy whose car was broken into, car was basically destroyed when they found it, and now he no longer feels safe enough to live in the city.I can't agree I would just let someone steal my car. I would call 911, confront them with my weapon, and if they ran so be it, but I wouldn't hesitate to protect myself from someone that has no regard for myself or belongings that took hundreds of hours of my time to procure.
 
No, personally wouldn't shoot somebody over a property matter but to be fair theres no details of the altercation they had either.
 
Nope. I'd call 911 and lock my doors. If they try to get at me in the house, sure. I'm not gonna kill someone over my Aerosmith wal mart CDs though.

Hell i've told everyone I know if someone wants to steal your car, let them. And then tell them they can pay for the new transmission and that the radio randomly shuts off with a note left in the dashboard.
 
Nope. As much as it would piss me off and likely cost me in money an time it's not worth escalating the situation if my car is the only thing at stake. I don't know if the thief is dangerous or has a weapon, and I'd really rather not find out if they want to use one.

A person I know tried to go for a thief's gun during a hold up last year and got shot a couple of times in the chest for his trouble. He's all right now, but it was touch and go for a while from what I heard after the fact.
 
Hell no, not unless I was in it at the time. If I am not in it, fuck it let them try and take it and let the cops deal with it. Not even worth confronting them about it really, my vehicle isnt worth someones life.
 
If I lived somewhere with lax gun laws like Texas or Georgia, probably if there was an altercation.

Unfortunately, here in Canada, the law pretty much expects all victims to take it up the ass, while rushing to wrap the criminals in a warm blanket, and coddle them for all the mean things in life that drove them to a life of crime. Boo-fucking-hoo.
 
FyreWulff said:
Nope. I'd call 911 and lock my doors. If they try to get at me in the house, sure. I'm not gonna kill someone over my Aerosmith wal mart CDs though.

Hell i've told everyone I know if someone wants to steal your car, let them. And then tell them they can pay for the new transmission and that the radio randomly shuts off with a note left in the dashboard.
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I'm coming for dat AeroSmith!
 
BigBeauford said:
After reading the thread about the guy whose car was broken into, car was basically destroyed when they found it, and now he no longer feels safe enough to live in the city.I can't agree I would just let someone steal my car. I would call 911, confront them with my weapon, and if they ran so be it, but I wouldn't hesitate to protect myself from someone that has no regard for myself or belongings that took hundreds of hours of my time to procure.
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Auto insurance claims?

A moderately-priced car ($30,000) isn't worth taking somebody's life over. Edit: Any vehicle for that matter.

I understand though. I've been a victim of theft more times than I can count :/
 
Ekdrm2d1 said:
A local news story hit today.



I just can't picture that. I would not take somebody's life over a car break-in. Would you?

Guess the alternative would be to film it and have video evidence to send the person to jail.

Fuck it. The real story here is they got into a fight and the home owner had a gun.
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Speaking of local story, some scumbag was stealing something in a garage and the homeowner turned on the light. Scumbag shot him and he died. If someone is messing with your property then you should shoot first before they shoot you.

http://kfdm.com/news/local/teenager-charged-with-murdering-a-beaumont-man

this pisses me off so much since i live 2 minutes from where this happened
 
This title sounds like "Gun-Gaf, are you a murderer?" -- and that's kind of the real question here.

I mean if you have urges to shoot things at least shoot the tires so he can't run off with your car, but everytime I hear this "I have a gun to defend myself against intruders" I want to vomit.
 
BigBeauford said:
After reading the thread about the guy whose car was broken into, car was basically destroyed when they found it, and now he no longer feels safe enough to live in the city.I can't agree I would just let someone steal my car. I would call 911, confront them with my weapon, and if they ran so be it, but I wouldn't hesitate to protect myself from someone that has no regard for myself or belongings that took hundreds of hours of my time to procure.
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I overlooked something in your posting.

A modified car with man-hours into it? That would piss me off too.
The guy from Houston? Word to him
 
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