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[BlueTsunami]

Not really...alpha and beta kits were woefully underpowered in the 360 compared to final hardware. The fact of the matter is that the alpha and beta PS3's are far closer to final spec...less powerful to be sure, but not as dramatic as what MS had to endure.

Edited for clarity...

Though, I'm wondering how much of a difference you would get with RSX and FlexIO?

so is kikizo saying that the 360 is comparable to these dated devkits? ouch.

Oh shi...LOL

 

[Shompola]

What would Sony need to prove wrong? I don't get you. This article is good news to PS3 supporters.

Judging by the amount of damage control in this thread, some people are obviously upset.

 

[Mrbob]

Man if so much non information can stir up all this type of discussion, imagine what is going to happen on May 9th.

I don't think GAF is going to make it through E3.

Oh, and Sonycowboy, just like you lowball Sony expectations, I lowball MS X360 expectations.

 

[jett]

UbiSoft's Killing Day seeming like it was a good, honest estimate. Rewatch that below, and consider this is comparable to the technical visual quality of what we've played, and you'll likely conclude that this is, for now at least, really same-generation stuff next to Xbox 360.

Killing Day looks like fucking crap to me. I wonder who are these developers they visited. Meh article, though. No new info whatsoever.

 

[3rdman]

How was I supposed to know it was in the Josh Robinson thread??

Just joking, Klee...I didn't know it was there either, I did a search for "720p" and "achievable"...But I wasn't annoyed or anything, just joking.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

The Playstation Conference at the end of this month should clear all of this hoo-ha up *choke*

 

[xexex]

my feeling is, PS3 will be capable of rivaling in realtime, the prerendered CG that we've seen in PS1 games of the mid to late 1990s, (re: old-ass CG) at better framerates (PSX FMV was like 20-25 fps) but definitally *NOT* on par with the CG demos we saw at E3 2005, or CG cutscenes from PS2 games.

 

[monkeymagic]

I'm not the one claiming I know exactly what version of the devkit that these guys saw.

Which dev kit it was isn't up for debate since they told us in the article.

But you can keep on claiming it was a rack full of reference tools :lol

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Which dev kit it was isn't up for debate since they told us in the article.

But you can keep on claiming it was a rack full of reference tools :lol

When did I claim it was a rack full of reference tools? The article really wasn't very clear at all. Whatever makes you sleep better at night though.

 

[jkeeling]

PS3 was already running Fight Night 3 quality visuals in real-time at E3, not to mention the FFVII demo and others which were pretty impressive nearly 10 months ago, and those were pre-alpha kits.

I'm sure this seems like a fair report in the writer's mind, but my experiences with PS3 have been quite different. Then again I'm judging from more than a couple of friends at third parties working with what plainly sound like older dev kits.

It's not for me to elaborate here, I'm sure Sony will say more when they're ready to.

 

[Striek]

Some of these supporters in the US believe they will have a North American PS3 to play with in the Spring. No controller plus no finished hardware spounds disappointing.

Eh, I'm sure that no one on this board (or in Kikizos target audience) thinks there will be a NA release in Spring.
No controller = deciding on design. Not an issue at all.
No final hardware - Weren't 360 fanboys pulling the "beta-kit" excuse a month from launch? Double...standards?

You have to take this article as it is. An unknown dev of unknown quality is getting near-MGS4 visuals on near-final hardware months from launch. Remember what X360 games looked like months from launch? This is all positive!

 

[Cpl_Cain]

The article said final devkit.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Killing Day looks like fucking crap to me. I wonder who are these developers they visited. Meh article, though. No new info whatsoever.

The best part about that demo was the background interaction. Everything else was rather bleh. Nothing really all that great.

 

[Mrbob]

PS3 was already running Fight Night 3 quality visuals in real-time at E3, not to mention the FFVII demo and others which were pretty impressive nearly 10 months ago, and those were pre-alpha kits.

I'm sure this seems like a fair report in the writer's mind, but my experiences with PS3 have been quite different. Then again I'm judging from more than a couple of friends at third parties working with what plainly sound like older dev kits.

It's not for me to elaborate here, I'm sure Sony will say more when they're ready to.

Oh snap.

This thread just took an interesting turn.

I see what you did there.

 

[DECK'ARD]

When did I claim it was a rack full of reference tools? The article wasn't clear at all. Whatever makes you sleep better at night though.

It seems clear enough to me:

Integrated into an imposing tower set-up, the PS3 development kit is playable using pretty much any standard USB controller, but developers are designing games with the familiar DualShock 2 controls in mind. PS3 controller specifics are "nothing we need to be concerned about as developers," explains the techie.

It's a tower, and there's only one of them.

So its either the first devkit, or the second turned on it's side. Both don't have RSX and are from April last year. So not representative of the PS3, and therefore the basis of the whole article is false.

I'm sure Kikizo can clear up exactly what devkit they saw though ...

 

[monkeymagic]

PS3 was already running Fight Night 3 quality visuals in real-time at E3, not to mention the FFVII demo and others which were pretty impressive nearly 10 months ago, and those were pre-alpha kits.

I'm sure this seems like a fair report in the writer's mind, but my experiences with PS3 have been quite different. Then again I'm judging from more than a couple of friends at third parties working with what plainly sound like older dev kits.

It's not for me to elaborate here, I'm sure Sony will say more when they're ready to.

There ya go Fishie

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

It seems clear enough to me:



It's a tower, and there's only one of them.

So its either the first devkit, or the second turned on it's side. Both don't have RSX and are from April last year. So not representative of the PS3, and therefore the basis of the whole article is false.

I'm sure Kikizo can clear up exactly what devkit they saw though ...

Glad you're so sure you're right. I'm not sure he didn't just use poor wording when describing the devkit. A rack doesn't have to be any bigger than a large tower. And yeah, I would prefer the author of the article update it to make it clear exactly what devkit he saw.

 

[Shompola]

Which dev kit it was isn't up for debate since they told us in the article.

But you can keep on claiming it was a rack full of reference tools :lol

I dont think you get it. When they say rack mount they mean a modular system. 19" rack is a standard in the server industry and other other fields aswell. You mount the HDD, BDROM, PSU(if you want) etc in a rackmounted box.

 

[Phoenix]

Nvidia practically invented this shader stuff, so it's got to be straightforward from here.

I'm still reading through this stuff, but as soon as I saw this - the author lost all credibility whatsoever.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I'm still reading through this stuff, but as soon as I saw this - the author lost all credibility whatsoever.

I was kinda like...whaaaaa at that statement....

 

[Fishie flop oog]

There ya go Fishie

John and Justin check, paging JetJevons.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

PS3 was already running Fight Night 3 quality visuals in real-time at E3, not to mention the FFVII demo and others which were pretty impressive nearly 10 months ago, and those were pre-alpha kits.

I'm sure this seems like a fair report in the writer's mind, but my experiences with PS3 have been quite different. Then again I'm judging from more than a couple of friends at third parties working with what plainly sound like older dev kits.

It's not for me to elaborate here, I'm sure Sony will say more when they're ready to.

Are you a developer? Were these "experiences" development experiences or PR experiences?

 

[Doube D]

ok, so here is a question.

When you don't reveal any names, don't show any pics, can't talk about anything specific whatsoever, what exactly is there that gives you any credibility. Who can say that this is not a pure work of fiction meant to generate hits? Why is it that sites like IGN and gamespot (the ones that actually have an audience) have yet to reveal anything yet such a huge scoop comes our way by virtue of kikizo?

Not saying its not true, but without SOME evidence (like hell, a picture of a freaking dev kit which would mean they actually saw one and which no one could trace to any specific dev), its umm, yea, we shall see.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

ok, so here is a question.

When you don't reveal any names, don't show any pics, can't talk about anything specific whatsoever, what exactly is there that gives you any credibility. Who can say that this is not a pure work of fiction meant to generate hits? Why is it that sites like IGN and gamespot (the ones that actually have an audience) have yet to reveal anything yet such a huge scoop comes our way by virtue of kikizo?

Not saying its not true, but without SOME evidence (like hell, a picture of a freaking dev kit which would mean they actually saw one and which no one could trace to any specific dev), its umm, yea, we shall see.

Technically, until Sony shows something concrete, all their promises are equivalent to the statement in this article - irrelevant without independent confirmation.

 

[HocusPocus]

Wow some upset folks in this thread.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Some of these supporters in the US believe they will have a North American PS3 to play with in the Spring. No controller plus no finished hardware spounds disappointing.

OK...I am looking forward to PS3 and could certainly be considered a PS3 fan above all, but have always stated it will probably hit Japan in spring (thats as late as June 21, BTW) but who knows, it could slip, no biggie...

The US?

Either Oct. or Nov. 2006 sounds good to me...


Its weird, I hear a lot of "PS3 fans say this and this and think that lol you guys sure are reaching/desprite/trying too hard" but I have not heard too much crazy stuff from my point of view....and I dont think a majority of PS3 fans expect or have been saying PS3 will launch in the US in spring at all.......Japan is what I read from thier expectations most of the time....

And if thats what *most* PS3 fans are saying why latch on obscure statments of the minority???

I think that in the context of TALKING ABOUT PLAYSTATION 3 GAMES/HARDWARE and not comparing to the "other guys" PS3 fans seem very similar to X360 fans...excited for what new hardware could bring and really, really excited to see the cream of the crop from their favorite development teams, whenever those games might arrive.......X360 fans are just like this...

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Are you a developer? Were these "experiences" development experiences or PR experiences?

Justin is press so I assume his experiences like mine have been PR experiences.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Justin is press so I assume his experiences like mine have been PR experiences.

Did these PR experiences involve a final controller with final hardware/dev kits?

 

[CR0N0S]

so, the dev kits weren't final -- no rsx?

uh

so is kikizo saying that the 360 is comparable to these dated devkits? ouch.

That's the kind of spin Peter Moore would make!

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Personal thoughts.
Damn, the lack of open info is getting to everyone.
Going for almost ten months with almost nothing new has all sides on edge as the Kikizo article and this thread are proving.
Whenever Sony unveils something its going to be total pandemonium.

I look forward to the mother of all unveilings.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Glad you're so sure you're right. I'm not sure he didn't just use poor wording when describing the devkit. A rack doesn't have to be any bigger than a large tower. And yeah, I would prefer the author of the article update it to make it clear exactly what devkit he saw.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Personal thoughts.
Damn, the lack of open info is getting to everyone.
Going for almost ten months with almost nothing new has all sides on edge as the Kikizo article and this thread are proving.
Whenever Sony unveils something its going to be total pandemonium.

I look forward to the mother of all unveilings.

Is this a hope or based on information you cannot share with us?

 

[Striek]

I still can't believe that barely-to-significantly more powerful (with better libraries) is being taken by a negative by some Sony fans, and a positive by some Xbox fans. I don't get it.

I look forward to the mother of all unveilings.

Have any idea when that would be?

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Is this a hope or based on information you cannot share with us?

Well its a pretty safe bet that everything Sony shows that is new for PS3 will cause total insanity at this point so its not really hope, its an observation.

 

[Vieo]

This just in: "Sony Playstation 3 and Microsoft Xbox 360 to offer prettier versions of their predecessors' games, though bullet casings will bounce around more accurately in FPSes. Next-gen to really start with the Nintendo Revolution. Revolution for the flawless victory!"

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I still can't believe that barely-to-significantly more powerful (with better libraries) is being taken by a negative by some Sony fans, and a positive by some Xbox fans. I don't get it.


Have any idea when that would be?

I will take a paid day off of work to be on GAF when Sony unveils this shit. I promise!!!!!!!!!

 

[Drinky Crow]

anyone sane isn't taking it as any sort of confirmation one way or another. they're just pointing out the article is grossly specious.

fuck, I *dig* the 360. Live may be my gaming future. But Kikizo's little old-school spec war disingenuity is only gonna HURT the 360 in the end, not help it. 360 fans should emphasize what the 360 is doing right instead of engaging in ultimately pointless and hopeless penis-slapping over numbers that, as I stated previously, are deltas on a plateau of performance. Even the asthmatic Rev hardware's gonna have shit that looks close to the PS3/360 given certain constraints, and Kikizo sure as fuck isn't qualified to extrapolate hardware potential from looking at images generated by beta kits.

You kids just need to LEAVE THE NUMBERS ALONE. You just don't know what they mean. You have no context; you're a child walking into a theatre, Donny; all that. Talk about GAMES. Talk about LIVE. Talk about FUCKING SALES IN FOREIGN MARKETS, for the love of Gawd. Specs are, as of this coming generation, meaningless to you as fanboy ammunition. GO HOME.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Well its a pretty safe bet that everything Sony shows that is new for PS3 will cause total insanity at this point so its not really hope, its an observation.

Nothing is a safe bet, and like you, I am growing tired of the lack of information. At this point, I absolutely have no reason to be excited.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I will take a paid day off of work to be on GAF when Sony unveils this shit. I promise!!!!!!!!!

A non-paid day off would be more impressive.

Icebeezy FTL!

 

[Goreomedy]

Well its a pretty safe bet that everything Sony shows that is new for PS3 will cause total insanity at this point so its not really hope, its an observation.

I'm already exercising my right index finger just for the photoshops to be birthed on that day.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

anyone sane isn't taking it as any sort of confirmation one way or another. they're just pointing out the article is grossly specious.

fuck, I *dig* the 360. Live may be my gaming future. But Kikizo's little old-school spec war disingenuity is only gonna HURT the 360 in the end, not help it.

How?

 

[Striek]

Nothing is a safe bet, and like you, I am growing tired of the lack of information. At this point, I absolutely have no reason to be excited.

Why are you in a PS3 thread then? Well, that much is obvious, but whats the point....

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I will take a paid day off of work to be on GAF when Sony unveils this shit. I promise!!!!!!!!!

I just may do the same.

 

[Syb]

My friend told me that the PS3 is twice as powerful as the Suxbox 360. Care to confirm? kthnxabi.

:lol

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Why are you in a PS3 thread then? Well, that much is obvious, but whats the point....

Because I am a member of GAF who eagerly awaits the PS3 but has grown tired of the lack of information. My excitement has been replaced by worthless silence.

 

[MrDaravon]

I don't expect anything resembling a generational leap between the PS3 and 360. I expect the difference in power to be significant, but I also anticipate completely diminishing returns when it comes to what actually gets pumped out to your TV set.

There's gonna be fucking REVOLUTION games with visuals that will wow you, and it has fucking gutless hardware in comparison. This generation will be about art and cinematic direction, not whether or not Feature X > Feature Y. What one console can do brute force, another will be able to reasonably fake behind the scenes. We're not talking about a DS to PSP feature delta here. We're just talking about raw numbers on a rapidly plateauing curve.

I like how this is one of the best posts I've seen on GAF and it got totally ignored by this non-news discussion.

 

[Goreomedy]

My friend told me that the PS3 is twice as powerful as the Suxbox 360. Care to confirm? kthnxabi.

:lol

This contributed nothing of value to the topic. You should write for Kikizo.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Nothing is a safe bet, and like you, I am growing tired of the lack of information. At this point, I absolutely have no reason to be excited.

Why do you feel the need to bring Xbox 360 availablity into this discussion...

 

[xexex]

Even the asthmatic Rev hardware's gonna have shit that looks close to the PS3/360 given certain constraints, and Kikizo sure as fuck isn't qualified to extrapolate hardware potential from looking at images generated by beta kits.

DRINKY, YOU AREN'T QUALIFIED EITHER :lol :lol

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Why do you feel the need to bring Xbox 360 availablity into this discussion...

I think you just did that. Not me.