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Hands-On with PlayStation 3
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x360/ps3 both 90nm... dc/ps2 both 250nm... This time sony has a full feature state of the art gpu, unlike last time and we all saw how that went. The x360 was probably designed on a budget, and was probably designed as to take on a cell based s/w rendering crippled ps3(judging from some of the ati comments I recall, and things like the aniso issue that I'm commonly seeing.), my expectations are too see difference of a similar degree between these two new platforms.Hajiki said:
The ffvii demo with fully animated clothes seemingly on all characters(yes even cloud's shirt, though it's a bit tough to notice, as are the individual eyebrow hairs and individual eyelashes.), obliterates the psone fmv, and runs at a solid 60fps on some of the earliest and weakest kits. In fact that demo delivers what I had expected a next-gen ff to look like, only it isn't it's a 2month demo on some of the weakest kits as compared to final.xexex said:
Molina quality is said to be possible on ps3 s/w cutscenes, and that goes above and beyond pretty much every psone fmv character, and even above many of the low-mid budget ps2 titles' fmvs, especially those of the earlier titles.
What boggles my mind is how some folks act as though a two console power gap as never occurred.
We have two machines. Both have tons of support, enough to sustain a generation for fans of either. Both have tons of power, enough to assure hundreds of multiplatform releases.
It's a pretty boring scenario, actually. (unless you've never owned a console before)
We have two machines. Both have tons of support, enough to sustain a generation for fans of either. Both have tons of power, enough to assure hundreds of multiplatform releases.
It's a pretty boring scenario, actually. (unless you've never owned a console before)
DjangoReinhardt
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xexex said:
Shh . . . let the damage control continue.
erikevrhrd
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Does anyone really care if PS3 is only just a little bit better than X360, not twice as powerful? It's going to have great exclusive games, the graphics are going to rock, and it's going to be loaded with exciting new features. It's certainly going to make you not want to play your PS2 games again. Bring it on...more consoles = more games for me to enjoy.
MassiveAttack
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Animal said:
Either you don't read very much or you don't spend much time on GAF. That article doesn't deserve the inane 5 page thread it has managed to stir up... but then again, it is GAF and KK has left most us a little technosexually frustrated.
monkeymagic
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erikevrhrd said:
The 150M+ consumers who are going to pick it up don't care, no.
XBox fans do though
Animal
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MassiveAttack said:
Wrong and Wrong. I completely dissagree. Correct.
This article is completely and utterlly honnest in its information from what I can discern. Unlike most of the garbage that is being passed around this forum. In the end its the results and not the methods used to get them. This article has the objectivity I wish more people on GAF had instead of throwing up a bunch of technical garbage that most wouldn't even understand inlcuding the ones posting them.
The conclusion of this article is exactly what I have been expecting from the PS3.
The ones I expect quality at launch is not some third-party but first-party devs, and from what these devs are saying in the interview they are unlikely to be first-party devs. As seen at the last TGS/E3 we've known there are PS3 games such as Sonic/Fifth Phantom Saga/killing Day which are not shooting high and things designed with a modest goal can't be improved except for adding additional filters/AA etc which don't contribute to differentiating them from PC-ish graphics they originated from. Anyway, Kikizo should have clarified at least the title is an exclusive to PS3 or not.
MassiveAttack
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TheDuce22 said:
Unfortunately, and until proven otherwise, there is no proof of this "first hand experience". Literally everything in the article can be culled directly from GAF, Beyond3D, and a few traditionally erudite Edge articles.
Slightly better graphically, can do more stuff at once, with the distance widening over time.TheDuce22 said:
Xbox fans - "if I don't see it, its not real"
Since when has the 360 being slightly weaker than PS3 being seen as a positive by 360 fans anyway, tunes have sure changed since pre-launch.
BlueTsunami
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Just throwing it out there...but I have a feeling Kikizo met with Sega and got a look into Sega games (for the PS3) and 5th Phantom Saga specifically (simply because of their relationship with Sega, which is a good relationship). With that said, you can see that their basing alot of what their seeing off of 5th Phantom Saga and can't really vouch for any other game (due to restraints or possibly not even seeing games by other developers other than Sega).
It seems as though they saw a bunch of Sega games being developed and applied the impressions they got from those games and applied it to every other game being developed on the PS3. As if Sega is the high bar for development prowess for the PS3.
It seems as though they saw a bunch of Sega games being developed and applied the impressions they got from those games and applied it to every other game being developed on the PS3. As if Sega is the high bar for development prowess for the PS3.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
MassiveAttack said:
If an opportunity arises, perhaps a reporter can ask someone from Sony to comment on the article. I am sure they won't. And that is a part of the problem. Sony isn't saying anything.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Striek said:
Seeing that the PS2 is weaker than the XBOX hardware-wise, I guess an XBOT may see the X360 as the next PS2 if it can deliver great games like the PS2 did.
So they saw 3 games on some version of PS3 devkits and by way of the games they used to compare and contrast these anonymous games against, we know they didn't see any of the following:
MGS4
Warhawk
Motorstorm
Killzone
Killing Day
5th Phantom Saga
Sonic
GTA
That's about the most insightful thing I could gather from this article. I was disappointed not to see anything that addressed what Sony might have been telling these developers about flash/hdd storage (how are they doing game saves), networking, etc.
MGS4
Warhawk
Motorstorm
Killzone
Killing Day
5th Phantom Saga
Sonic
GTA
That's about the most insightful thing I could gather from this article. I was disappointed not to see anything that addressed what Sony might have been telling these developers about flash/hdd storage (how are they doing game saves), networking, etc.
Huh? I see Xbox fans rejoicing at this article all over the internet. Besides, its practically 100% of developers and/or hints in PS3s favour now. We have to be realistic at some point. Much like the generation leap that isn't happening.DopeyFish said:
PS2 had the games. Looking at the lists, PS3 has the games. I can't believe you're trying to use this argument that X360 being weaker...eh. Hey the DC was weaker, came out before the PS2...lets use that analogy. No? Good.DenogginizerOS said:
- And way to ignore the first part of my statement.
Oh of course, only specific devs like Factor5 will be influenced by power, but internet braggin rights man!Speevy said:
Actually its just fun to watch the ebb-and-flow of opinions. Can you believe that opinions have shifted that dramatically in just 3 or so months, and more importantly, there was 0 PS3 media/news. Its interesting.
erikevrhrd said:
lol, i'm sure a lot of Sony fans are waiting for payback, where they can go into every Xbox 360 thread and say stuff like,"Geez I hope this comes to the PS3. I can only imagine how this would look on the more powerful PS3." "PS3, superior version for the win." "Why do we constantly have games being built with the weaker Xbox360 as a base for multiplatform? Xbox 360 is limiting the graphics."
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Striek said:
Lists? What lists? Sony hasn't confirmed shit. But at least you are acknowledging that the games matter more than the power of the hardware. Weaker/stronger means nothing if you enjoy playing the game. When both systems are available in the marketplace and games are on shelves to play, then we can start making claims about who has the better hardware and software. Until then, "Killzone will be a Halo killer" faith is a bit premature.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
ThirdEye said:
I'm seriously thinking that Kikizo met with Sega and only saw Sega games now. Not sure, just a hunch, but from what they explain in the article and all the references to 5th Phantom Saga...this seems to be the most likely case....
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
3rdman said:
Hurrrrrrrrrrrr
kaching said:
Yeah, this is true. Basically they are comparing unfinished games by an unnamed developer to the best of XBox 360's complete games and inferring that 'the ps3 is only marginally more powerful than XBox 360.' I want to see the graphics on a launch game by a company such as Namco. That should be grounds for a more reasonable comparison.
I don't believe that the PS3 is a whole generational leap ahead of the XBox 360 and makes its games look like utter trash, but I do believe that the difference in graphics will be noticeable, even from the jump. That's not to say that the Xbox360 won't have beautiful games, just as the PS2 continues to put out beautiful games late in its life cycle.
I doubt the two systems are very very close where as the difference is almost negligible as Kikizo seems to want us to believe, but it isn't going to absolutely blow the Xbox 360 out the water as Sony wants us to believe. As has often been the case, the truth often lies in the middle.
But really, Sony better release some information on PS3 soon, because the longer they let this go on, the more the mainstream's opinion will deteriorate on the system's perceived power.
techdemo on substantially weaker h/w, at 60fps, the clothing animation is probably physics based too, which would bring it closer to an ingame scenario. I honestly don't see how it could possibly end up looking worse on final hw, but it is true ingame demonstrations are already past due. As for another close to ingame demo, we could also mention the gt cars, which while not ingame are certainly car models that will be used in game at 60fps, and have been mistaken for cg.xexex said:
If you want closer to ingame accounts there's those of heavenly sword behind close doors, a demo that held it's own while being presented along the likes of motorstorm and killzone. Some even choose it as most impressive (others killzone and yet others choose motorstorm) amongst this triumvirate which eclipses all other s/w shown, out or upcoming, for any platform.
Here's a quote someone provided earlier in this thread:
Laa-Yosh said:With that said, I think you shouldn't write off nextgen so soon. The word is that Heavenly Sword looks quite a lot better than both the E3 stuff and what's on the Team Ninja website - and that it plays nextgen, too...
TheDuce22 said:
Some consider the demos seen to already be delivering on that gap. The only doubt remaining is that some expect a downgrade on the gphx seen while ingame. Honestly I don't see how something like say mgs4 could look worse on final h/w, considering it's said to even be using recycled ps2 assets. Especially when hearing Laa-Yosh hinting that one of the most impressive of all the ps3 demos(said to've been showing the ingame engine even), appears to've even gone beyond what was shown, a demo that blew the world away.
Not publically, and especially not from unbiased sources. The only non-MS 360-advocate I know, surprisingly, is that fired Sony guy.DopeyFish said:
Oh I can see the generational leap from >insert game< title to Gears, MGS4 etc. I meant there is no gen.leap from 360 > PS3.DopeyFish said:
There are more confirmed PS3 games than X360 thoughDenogginizerOS said:
But yeah, its all about the games, but obviously most people care about power for some inane reason. We like classifying things I guess. At the end of the day its not going to stop anyone buying a 360 or PS3 though. Rev otoh....
DenogginizerOS
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I wonder how much it will cost to make the slightly more powerful PS3 in relation to the X360 and if that slight power difference is going to cost consumers at the checkout line when they buy the PS3? If I were buying Madden 2007 and owned an X360, I would not spend more money to buy the PS3 if it is not graphically better.
maximum360
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It seems like the Sony Bots are in full patrol mode tonight. :lol
This is article was really a waste of time. Sony just needs to get on the ball on release the PS3 already so I can watch my Blu Ray movies. I sincerely hope they don't screw up the controller though.
This is article was really a waste of time. Sony just needs to get on the ball on release the PS3 already so I can watch my Blu Ray movies.
I sincerely hope they don't screw up the controller though.Kleegamefan
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Bebpo said:Really? I'd swear every 4 posts have just been DenogginizerOS trying keenly to put down the PS3 while sounding objective and asking a million questions he knows can't be answered.
Its all about trying to have the house of cards fall without the impression you were the one who did it
DenogginizerOS
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Bebpo said:Really? I'd swear every 4 posts have just been DenogginizerOS trying keenly to put down the PS3 while sounding objective and asking a million questions he knows can't be answered.
Actually, it is 25/244 which is close to 1:10. And I am keenly trying to get someone who knows something concrete about Sony/from Sony to spill some goddamn information.
DenogginizerOS
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ouch (26/249)sp0rsk said:
I don't trust this article it seems to bash more however I do realise that he mentions more physics and realism simultaneously compared to xbox360 and the best part is the hair animation, doesn't sounds to impressive on paper but its about fucking time to get to the details.....
But throughout the article I was sort of convinced that this guy is bashing the PS3, he compared the movies at E3 to the stuff he played... I mean we all saw the Madden video and then got Madden on 360.....
I think if he mentions those details here and there it basically depends on the developer how to use the console to develope his game.
But throughout the article I was sort of convinced that this guy is bashing the PS3, he compared the movies at E3 to the stuff he played... I mean we all saw the Madden video and then got Madden on 360.....
I think if he mentions those details here and there it basically depends on the developer how to use the console to develope his game.
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Sounded like a down to earth article for what they could see. Of course that doesn't fit with some fans expectations.
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