Has Samsung+Samsung almost finished the design of the in-house PSP screen ?
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The screen is supplied by Sharp, but eventually I'd guess Sony will want to off-load at least part of the PSP LCD production to their own manufacturing plants.
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Deg said:
I disagree as through the joint-venture Sony will be able to manufacture new tech LCDs in their own manufacturing plant sooner or later.
I said "almost" as there are a few things still off.
PSP's LCD actually has a maximum brightness of 200 cd/m^2 (only when connected to AC power) and it is bigger than 4'' (~4.3'').
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1. Not every R&D project at Sony is somehow magically linked to the rest of their empire
2. Deg is correct, Sharp has great economies of scale, and it is unlikely Sony will replace them anytime soon.
2. Deg is correct, Sharp has great economies of scale, and it is unlikely Sony will replace them anytime soon.
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tehrik-e-insaaf said:
I fail to see how technology for 7th generation LCDs co-developed with Samsung in a co-owned fab could be "not"-applicable to a potential in-house manufacturing of the PSP screen.
I am not saying that they would completely replace Sharp as supplier, but increase the sources for the screen technology: the yelds may be low and explain the manufacturing cost of the PSP, but instead of just yelds of the chips we could be talking about low yields/low manufacturing volumes of the PSP screen.
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>>>I fail to see how technology for 7th generation LCDs co-developed with Samsung in a co-owned fab could be "not"-applicable to a potential in-house manufacturing of the PSP screen.
We aren't talking about a product that might be released 2 or 3 years down the road. If this were the case your speculation might be warranted.
To assume that any late-breaking technology coming fresh out of R&D labs at Sony will be implemented into the PSP (when there is no clear indication) makes no sense both upfront investment/cost-wise and in terms of planning for the long-term drop off in price. The PSP as we see it today arose from years of pre-planning.
If Sony's intention was to change the LCD to something in-house all the time, they would have pumped extra money into this project to churn it out quicker and not have signed a long-term supply agreement with Sharp.
Now if you were to say something like - PSPLite - a budget version of the current portable that came out in 3 years time would possibly use this screen - I would say "OK." However, to assume Sony is going to simply substitute a derivative of this technology in place of the Sharp screen for "cost" reasons with the current PSP model is a little silly.
We aren't talking about a product that might be released 2 or 3 years down the road. If this were the case your speculation might be warranted.
To assume that any late-breaking technology coming fresh out of R&D labs at Sony will be implemented into the PSP (when there is no clear indication) makes no sense both upfront investment/cost-wise and in terms of planning for the long-term drop off in price. The PSP as we see it today arose from years of pre-planning.
If Sony's intention was to change the LCD to something in-house all the time, they would have pumped extra money into this project to churn it out quicker and not have signed a long-term supply agreement with Sharp.
Now if you were to say something like - PSPLite - a budget version of the current portable that came out in 3 years time would possibly use this screen - I would say "OK." However, to assume Sony is going to simply substitute a derivative of this technology in place of the Sharp screen for "cost" reasons with the current PSP model is a little silly.
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tehrik-e-insaaf said:
I did not say completely substitute, but try to make more PSP per month by producing screens in house.
Sony did not have the necessary technology in the LCD field to start working on that kind of screen for the PSP (Sony fell a bi behind in the last few years regarding LCDs ' tech) and get it out on time: Sharp according to these "rumors" might be having some yield issues as well.
Btw,
http://news.com.com/Sony,+Samsung+complete+LCD+plant/2100-1041_3-5271407.html
The manufacturing plant was completed early this summer and mass -production of LCD panels should start by 1H 2005: I do not see why Sony would have to wait like 3 years from now (November 2004) to dual-source the PSP LCD screen to increase PSP monthly shipments and reduce costs.
The output is not incredibly high (60,000 panels a month), but hopefully it will be increased or the plant will only be useful for TV production which uses much lower volumes.
Still, Sony does not have a lack of LCD manufacturing plants which are probably going through the upgrade now.
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Deg said:
Yes it can and it is.
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Deg said:
You are comparing two low cost and low clocked ARM chips, one N64/M2 performance GPU with ~60 MPixels/s of fill-rate, 802.11 Wireless LAN technology, ~4 MB of RAM, and two 3.0'' normal back-lit screens (~240,000 colors, one of them is a touch screen panel) against two MIPS R4000i clocked at 333 MHz with 1 FPU each, one 2.6 GFLOPS VFPU attached to one of the MIPS cores, one 33 MVertices/s T&L unit on the GPU, 648 MPixels/s of fill-rate on the GPU, 32 MB of main RAM and 2 MB of e-DRAM for the Media Engine with other 2 MB of VRAM running at 10.4 GB/s (512 bits bus), one 4.3'' back-lit high-resolution screen capable of 200 cd/m^2 and 16.76 Million colors, one MP3/ATRAC3+/etc... re-configurable Sound DSP (the VME), one MPEG4 AVC/H.264 Hardware decoder (the AVC decoder chip), USB 2.0 High Speed interface (480 Mbps), full 802.11b Wireless LAN implementation (not a subset and also both Infrastructure and Ad-hoc modes are supported), Memory Stick Pro Duo interface, etc...
The engineering value of the PSP is quite high: can they manufacture it cheaply enough ? I believe they will when yields will normalize over-all.
Truth to be told I expect the DS to cost less than $150 to manufacture, keeping the manufacturing cost difference the same.
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