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[Hurricane_Chris]

OK. My company moved to a new office in Oosaki. There happens to be a Club Sega in the lobby area of the building. I've been doing down there on lunch breaks and after work playing some Tekken 5 and Virtual Fighter 4 Final Tuned.

Going from being an expert level player at the various Street Fighter 2 ganes and Sam Sho 1 and 2 games. To being middle level in SF3 to being a weaksauce n00b in most every 3d fighting game sucks.

I am starting to hate getting totally owned by the generic salary man that smells of cigs and is wearing a $50US suit in Tekken 5 and VF4FT.

For those of you that made the transition from SF2 and the other 2d fighters to the 3d fighting game world any pointers/tips/advice?

In the 2d fighting games I was good at, I could see attacks and combos coming and counter. In most 3d games however, its really hard for me to see what is coming. Also if I am unfamiliar with a character and all of his/her combos I might as well quit 'cause I'm toast. I dunno, it seems like the transition between neutral, guard, and retreat to an offensive posture in 3d fighting games has less animation frames or something. Or the moves are less telagraphed.

Please, help me become less of a punk so I stop getting owned by salarymen.

 

[MrAngryFace]

Well Virtua Fighter 4 takes practice. I cant excuse losses in T5 in relation to skill tho.

If you have a ps2 grab VF4 Evo and practice, thats all that will prepare you.

 

[SickBoy]

Yeah, I think it might be harder to play a reactionary style in VF at least. I think to an extent you have to get familiar with your character and feel comfortable with him/her first.

For me, I've put so much time into working on my character from VF1 through 4, I'm extremely comfortable with it and have, I suppose, a certain style that's mine. I can more than hold my own, but I don't doubt there are people out there who could school me big time.

I think it takes practice, and that practice is less about learning who does what (a la Street Fighter) and more about becoming infinitely comfortable not only with your character's move set, but finding a way to use it that suits you.

All this said, it could be complete BS. For me, the game has become so intuitive that I don't really think about what I do to have success... and therefore trying to explain my thoughts on it was a surprisingly difficult task.

And I can't speak for Tekken. I've played it a fair bit, but I'm not a big fan -- it's never really clicked with me.

 

[Trojan X]

I got very lucky because I've started playing 3D fighting games with VF1 and Tekken1 first. Then after that I went on part by part which was VF2 & T2, VF3 & T3 then I sidetracked by playing other 3D fighting games such as fighting Vipers, and so on and forth all the way to VF4FT and T5.

My strongest advice for you... You won't become an expert in the arcades just like that for as you definitely need the games at home. Since you've started late I strongly advise to start with Tekken first then move to Virtua Fighter. Use Tekken as your introduction to 3D fighting games then go to Virtua Fighter as the next level abusing the VF Quest mode. If you really want to stick to VF then I strongly advise you to play VF2 or 3 to get the feeling of VF, then play VF4 abusing the quest mode and training.

Another strong help is a kickass friend who is great with 3D games - play against him or her aplenty to learn new tactics and so on.

You should have an easier time if you stick to this but don't expect to beat those salary guys anytime soon in either fighting games barring Tekken 3 and 4.

 

[pjberri]

If you're already good at 2D fighting games then I think you'll be able to pick things up in these games without too much trouble.

To start off with, in Tekken 5 I'd use Bryan or Steve. Both are pretty quick, and most of their moves are safe so if you can learn a few juggles with each you should be able to compete with average level players quite easily once you've got a feel for the game. For learning combos/juggles head over to the tekkenzaibatsu.com forums and they've got move lists, character specific forums and a media forum for videos.

For VF4FT I'd start off using Pai, Aoi or Lei Fei. Pai is fast, Lei Fei is pretty quick and does some nice damage and Aoi is fast with counter and throw game as well. Again, for combos and general info, head over to the virtuafighter.com forums and you'll be able to find the same kinda stuff TZ has.

Obviously, without the home versions you'll be at a disadvantage, but I think if you practice a little you'll be able to give the other players there a run for their money, I doubt you're going to see many people throw escaping all your throws etc.

I cant excuse losses in T5 in relation to skill tho.

Now why would you say a thing like that?

 

[frogg609]

also, if you are going to get them at home, make sure you play with a real arcade style stick, something from Hori would be good. The transition from pad at home to stick in the arcade can be a major problem.

 

[Blackace]

OK. My company moved to a new office in Oosaki. There happens to be a Club Sega in the lobby area of the building. I've been doing down there on lunch breaks and after work playing some Tekken 5 and Virtual Fighter 4 Final Tuned.

Going from being an expert level player at the various Street Fighter 2 ganes and Sam Sho 1 and 2 games. To being middle level in SF3 to being a weaksauce n00b in most every 3d fighting game sucks.

I am starting to hate getting totally owned by the generic salary man that smells of cigs and is wearing a $50US suit in Tekken 5 and VF4FT.

For those of you that made the transition from SF2 and the other 2d fighters to the 3d fighting game world any pointers/tips/advice?

In the 2d fighting games I was good at, I could see attacks and combos coming and counter. In most 3d games however, its really hard for me to see what is coming. Also if I am unfamiliar with a character and all of his/her combos I might as well quit 'cause I'm toast. I dunno, it seems like the transition between neutral, guard, and retreat to an offensive posture in 3d fighting games has less animation frames or something. Or the moves are less telagraphed.

Please, help me become less of a punk so I stop getting owned by salarymen.

I am not too bad at Tekken5 with about a 50% win rate. You have to learn the basics of the game to get down. Moves that all characters can do, like the low attack parry and so on. once you start to get that stuff down you can hang with most. Osaki.. where is that at? I am living in Yokohama now... been looking for someone to crawl the arcades with

 

[Azih]

Now why would you say a thing like that?

Welcome to the boards pjberri. Meet MrAngryFace, he's a troll. Now that's not a rare thing on GAF by any means. The difference is that MAF here has immunity. :shrug: Ignore him.

 

[Hurricane_Chris]

I am not too bad at Tekken5 with about a 50% win rate. You have to learn the basics of the game to get down. Moves that all characters can do, like the low attack parry and so on. once you start to get that stuff down you can hang with most. Osaki.. where is that at? I am living in Yokohama now... been looking for someone to crawl the arcades with

Blacklace... j/k I remember you saying in another thread please don't call you BlackLace...couldn't resist... Anyways..


If you look at this map and find the Yamanote Line, you can find Osaki sandwiched between Gotanda and Shinagawa. I'm currently working Osaki Gate City. Of course the arcade there isnt' huge or anything so if u want to hang out we can always hop a train and find better places to play....


Btw, BlackAce you are a black right? Wow you'd be like the first black person I've hung out with in almost a year!!!! For that matter you'd be like the 3rd non-Japanese I've hung our with in that time. Let's grab DC and meet up sometime!

 

[Blackace]

Yes I am black, but I like to think of myself as a coco brown :lol anyways check your PM and then we can go and show some people that Gaijin can play Tekken 1 out of 5 times or so

 

[Hurricane_Chris]

BlackAce and ddkawaii the kokujin 3d fighting game masters! :lol

Well in my case I deserve the lol regarding the above statement. You're prolly a good player...

 

[Oichi]

Hey! I wanna get in on this too!

For the OP, the one really good thing to do is to learn all of the available options in certain situations. 3D fighters have much more options than 2D games too. Stuff like frame dis/advantage does come into play much more often than in 2D games, whether or not you're a stat whore or not.

 

[Blackace]

BlackAce and ddkawaii the kokujin 3d fighting game masters! :lol

Well in my case I deserve the lol regarding the above statement. You're prolly a good player...

I am not bad... not saying I am great... I lose more money than I take... but I have shocked a few guys with some long win streaks!

Reno welcome! We should all buy some Tekken cards and start team Gaijin

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Find yourself a used saturn and VF2. Tee Hee all the moves from that version survive 3 and 4 and the AI is pretty fuckin insane if you max it in options...akira is untouchable. But thats the point you wanna get your reflex speed up then games like tekken are slow as mollases in comparison. Work on your counters and see how many consecutive attacks you can block with the comp flailing on ya. But anyway i would suggest your learn to use Lau cause he's fast, Pai cause shes even faster, Jacky cause he's balanced, and Kage cause he's da shit. Theres also soul calibur. Alot of people say its just a button masher...and thats true you can mash buttons, but if you really play someone thats learned to sidestep block and parry, you will just be the brunt of a dazzling array of wtfpwned moves that embarras you. SC is good because of the many moves that go low to high or high to low and ublockable, so a turtling style of play doesnt always work. If you can get good at blocking SC flurries you can block anything.

 

[MrAngryFace]

if youre new id stay away from aoi, shun di, or akira. Aoi has a lot of quick strikes, but thats only maybe a third of her game, she's severely limited if thats all you know.

 

[SickBoy]

Find yourself a used saturn and VF2. Tee Hee all the moves from that version survive 3 and 4 and the AI is pretty fuckin insane if you max it in options

The other nice thing about VF2 is "learning mode," which, while it's got its quirks, can really develop a strong AI to counter you specifically. I found it to be a good challenge... it forces you to broaden your skills.

 

[Folder]

We should all buy some Tekken cards and start team Gaijin

That would be the dream!
Make sure you constantly drink milk too.
Perhaps bathe in it before contests.
Just to make a point!
:lol

 

[Blackace]

That would be the dream!
Make sure you constantly drink milk too.
Perhaps bathe in it before contests.
Just to make a point!
:lol

I love it when I walk in and the guys give me a sly look like "why are you even trying" then I own his ass and his friend doble checks to make it is indeed me playing on the other side... that is just great

 

[lachesis]

Well, most of the time, 2D games were based on jump-in. When you block, it's either from top or bottom, and very few and mostly very visible mid-section attacks. (especially the games you've mentioned). So, blocking is more than likely 50/50. However, the Paper-Rock-Scissor scheme (High-Mid-Low) 3d fighters, there's not much you can do. You have to read their patterns and counter back. Since 3d fighters are so much diverse in their animation frames, it might take long training to really to know what your opponent is capapable of, so having playing all the characters from your home console might help you out. After all, it's a different kind of playing.

Good luck beating that salary man!

lachesis

 

[Oichi]

I am not bad... not saying I am great... I lose more money than I take... but I have shocked a few guys with some long win streaks!

Reno welcome! We should all buy some Tekken cards and start team Gaijin

I already got two cards! I'm waiting!

I usually play around Tsunashima (You know where that is, Black) but I'll make the trip anywhere else. Just...not Shinjuku. The level of competition there is far too high.

 

[Blackace]

I already got two cards! I'm waiting!

I usually play around Tsunashima (You know where that is, Black) but I'll make the trip anywhere else. Just...not Shinjuku. The level of competition there is far too high.

I play anywhere... not because I am that good just because I love playing! I have been all over Kanagawa.