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Help Me Appreciate Blade Runner

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Nepenthe

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The trailer has dropped for Blade Runner's sequel, and honestly the only thing I'm excited about is that the director of Arrival is getting more work. I saw the original (I presume its final cut, as it was on Netflix) for the first time this summer during a sci-fi class, which had been preceded by a good deal of anticipation due to its status as one of the best sci-fi films ever made. Before we watched it we had to read Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and Lord, the style is mediocre. Granted, there were facets of it I liked: the elaboration on Pris and John's relationship, Decker's wife Iran and her fascination with depression as a way to feel, the false religion, but it was all tied around this episodic "why did we go here?" plotting smothered underneath Dick's insistence on hammering the reader over the head with unnecessary reiteration of who's speaking and doing what. It was a slog.

But that's the book, which mainly got put on the map by the film anyway. Surely that wouldn't be indicative of anything to come. Ridley Scott in his prime helming a Harrison Ford feature backed by a beautiful aesthetic that basically wrote the book on cyberpunk design? Sign me the fuck up. I strapped myself in, prayed the teacher wouldn't spend too long on his usual introduction, cozied up in my chair, and off we were!

And I came out of the experience feeling betrayed because I hated it. I hated the stripping of the aforementioned cool elements from the book, the lack of personable relationships, the cheesy Christian symbolism (Roy, why you got a dove?), the editing (Roy, I asked you a question), this insistence that I'm supposed to even feel a damn thing for Roy, the obvious visual metaphors, the feeling that its questions had all been asked before in better realized works, the tacked-on replicant ambiguity at the end. It all felt poorly constructed and meandering, like a bad anime. I mean, I empathized with poor Rachel and I still love the art style. That's something. I understand that it's supposed to be more of a treatise on its philosophical underpinnings about humanity, morality, the relationship between empathy and lifespan, etc., more so than a straight laced sci-fi film like Alien. I don't think I'm missing the theoretical beats or am too dumb to "get it." I just failed to experience that same emotional connection in the moment of watching it, and note that I'm someone that outright loves 2001: A Space Odyssey for Christ's sakes.

So am I missing something particularly vital? Should I watch it again with a particular point of view or mode of thinking
Don't do this to me
? Or is it simply not for me?
 

dhonk

Member
its about the art / visuals / atmosphere

its my favorite movie of all time and I could stare at each frame

the rest kind of fades to me tbh
 

Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
its about the art / visuals
That's it. The rest of the movie isn't worth paying attention to. Watch it on mute, you might like it more.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
It's the aesthetic and mood more than anything, with a very loose narrative. It's not a pulpy action movie, or even a particularly talkative noir. It's largely pretty quiet, dreamy, with some interesting ideas sprinkled in very sparingly.

It's not a friday night, get your friends together for a fun time going "Fuck yeah, let's watch Blade Runner, I hear that's cool!" kind of movie.
 

Oppo

Member
give up, walk away. it's not for you.

i'm not trying to be dismissive, it was kind of a product of it's time. don't sweat it.
 

btrboyev

Member
It's not a very good movie in the sense it will probably bore you to death with how slow it is.

I like it for the visuals and the soundtrack.
 
If you can't appreciate the aesthetics and

I understand that it's supposed to be more of a treatise on its philosophical underpinnings about humanity, morality, the relationship between empathy and lifespan, etc., more so than a straight laced sci-fi film like Alien.

Then I can't help you, sorry.

It's no biggie, though. You don't have to appreciate it.
 

Nepenthe

Member
It's not a very good movie in the sense it will probably bore you to death with how slow it is.

I like it for the visuals and the soundtrack.

I don't mind slow burners, though! I think what got me is that the plot itself seemed, well, utterly batshit and pointless, moreso in service of the philosophy than anything else, but the philosophy that was there wasn't particularly...unique or interesting? But that may be a result of me growing up in a post Blade-Runner world.

give up, walk away. it's not for you.

i'm not trying to be dismissive, it was kind of a product of it's time. don't sweat it.

;~; But I want to be a cool kid.
 

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
If you don't like a movie, then you don't like it. I mean Avatar is one of the great masterpieces of sci-fi according to most, and it left me cold and feeling nothing. Blade Runner is one of my favorite films ever made, and it has some of my favorite scenes in the history of cinema. But it's a slow burn and I know I'm a sucker for good visuals, above all else. And good God is it beautiful.
 

Get'sMad

Member
just appreciate how awesome little things like deckard sipping johnnie walker black in a bath rob out on his balcony during a storm are
 
Blade Runner was something I always appreciated that was kinda it. It never moved me, none of the characters stood out and the story just kinda left me feeling cold and removed from the whole affair. I understood why it was so revered from a production standpoint but the narrative simply never quite worked for me. I checked in on it last year (I think it was my first time with The Final Cut) though and it just clicked. I dunno if it was that particular cut, where I was in my life, movie going or otherwise but by the end I was moved to tears. If it's doing nothing for you now I'd suggest maybe checking back in on it in a few years, you might experience something similar.
 

Nepenthe

Member
I mean Avatar is one of the great masterpieces of sci-fi according to most

I can deal living in a world where Blade Runner is amazing, but I refuse to live in one that puts Avatar anywhere close to that level.

Dude, don't fucking force yourself to like a movie, if you dont like it you don't like it.

I have watched plenty of universally praised movies that I didn't like.

A little harsh for a jokey response, no?
 
just appreciate how awesome little things like deckard sipping johnnie walker black in a bath rob out on his balcony during a storm are

This man gets it.

It's the greatest sci-fi film in my opinion and was ahead of its time.

I consider Blade Runner to be humanity's biopic about the future.
 

AHA-Lambda

Member
Honestly, Blade Runner is a film I feel I can respect and appreciate more as a piece of art than as a film.

Amazing and iconic aesthetic and visual designs, with a great score. But, tbh, I found the actual plot dull and frankly confusing.
 
Production design, art direction, music, all things that create the melancholic atmosphere are why I go back to it. It's just full of memorable imagery. The human/replicant mystery is not that interesting to me. It's Ridley Scott going arthouse, which is all fine by me. Same reason why I love Ghost In The Shell.

It is strange that you have a bother about wanting an emotional connection while loving 2001 which is trying to be as cold and alienating as you can for a sci-fi movie :p

Anyway, don't know if watching Nerdwriter1's analysis of it might change your mind. He brings up a good recurring motif about the eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRlGULqHxg
 
I don't mind slow burners, though! I think what got me is that the plot itself seemed, well, utterly batshit and pointless, moreso in service of the philosophy than anything else, but the philosophy that was there wasn't particularly...unique or interesting? But that may be a result of me growing up in a post Blade-Runner world.

Maybe. There was a thread recently where people called Aliens generic.
 

strafer

member
I can deal living in a world where Blade Runner is amazing, but I refuse to live in one that puts Avatar anywhere close to that level.



A little harsh for a jokey response, no?

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound harsh, I just like to add the word fucking sometimes.
 
I don't think Blade Runner is necessarily put on a pedestal as a definitively amazing film, as much as the people who love it really loving it

If you aren't down to get lost in it for a couple of hours then the story isn't going to make up for that. It's a noir story in a gorgeous and moody setting
 
you have to view it through the time of its release

shut everything modern out of the way for a day and give it a go, even better if its a rainy day!
 
I saw the original (I presume its final cut, as it was on Netflix)

The theatrical cut that was on Netflix earlier this year is different from the Final Cut, which was originally released in 2007. I've only seen the Final Cut, but from what I've heard, it's a good deal better than the theatrical version.

And yeah, even then, I like the film more for its look than its writing, although it's hardly a bad film in that regard.
 

Llyranor

Member
Honestly, Blade Runner is a film I feel I can respect and appreciate more as a piece of art than as a film.

Amazing and iconic aesthetic and visual designs, with a great score. But, tbh, I found the actual plot dull and frankly confusing.

This may be where I stand for now. I've seen it 3 times (Final Cut twice, Workprint once) and the documentary Dangerous Days (which is kind of more entertaining than the movie). I love the craftsmanship that went into building the world/aesthetic, but I kind of wander off in the second half when it spends too much time in the Bradbury. Maybe that's the problem, it spends too much time away from the marvel that is the city.
 

Regginator

Member
I love the aesthetics, I love the design, I love the atmosphere, I love the soundtrack, I love what it has to say, I love pretty much everything about it.


But the acting always puts me off. No one there has a stellar performance, but I think it has primarily something to do with Ford. I just don't like his acting. Never been a big fan of his, also his work in Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

A shame he's also in Blade Runner 2049.
 

Sojgat

Member
It's a mood piece.

There's not much to explain.

Would not recommend the Final cut as the colour timing makes it look too contemporary. It just looses something IMO.
 

LQX

Member
Blade Runner is movie you cannot watch with ANY distractions or it will lose you. Same goes for other classics like the 2001: A Space Odyssey. I have watched a lot of older movie and really did not think much of them despite all the praise they get but I then found a new appreciation for many of them after basically quarantining myself when watching them, and came away with my mind blown. So yeah, IMO, no distractions is the key to to really appreciating some of these classics.
 

Bold One

Member
...You don't have to like it because everyone else does.

There is no need to feel like you are missing by not being part of the zeitgeist.
 

Nepenthe

Member
Production design, art direction, music, all things that create the melancholic atmosphere are why I go back to it. It's just full of memorable imagery. The human/replicant mystery is not that interesting to me. It's Ridley Scott going arthouse, which is all fine by me. Same reason why I love Ghost In The Shell.

It is strange that you have a bother about wanting an emotional connection while loving 2001 which is trying to be as cold and alienating as you can for a sci-fi movie :p

Anyway, don't know if watching Nerdwriter1's analysis of it might change your mind. He brings up a good recurring motif about the eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRlGULqHxg

It's funny. I just watched Ghost in the Shell a few weeks ago in prep for the live-action one, and I liked it a lot. xD But I feel like the plot, aesthetics, and theme all worked in a more harmonious service of each other than Blade Runner's. GitS works roughly as well taken as a straight story about an android cop wrestling with her identity in a world where identity can be hacked and manipulated as it does a meta commentary on something like how we are defined by our ability to subvert or deal with our inherent limitations. Blade Runner instead is more of an arthouse piece strung together by a sorta-kinda wack plot about a cop hunting robots, which I don't think I'd mind so much if, well, empathy wasn't one of its big themes!

And you're right; 2001 isn't about warm, empathetic characters, aside from maybe HAL in a fucked up way? However, what I was in love was the epic, sprawling overview of humanity's development, the relationship between our intellectual progress and violence, our ability to create versus the monoliths', Bowman's ascension to the Star Child and the hope it brings. It's not an empathetic film, but I feel that's because it's not concerned with a microcosm that is the development of a few people or of being warm and fuzzy feeling. Instead, it's a huge, surprisingly optimistic epic about where we as a species came from and what we might become. Big idea stuff there.

Also, the space scenes are lit. I liked just sitting in space with the classical music playing in the background, or seeing people walk on the walls and ceiling like it was no biggie. It was calming!

As for Nerdwriter1, it's funny because I literally subscribed to him last night. I'll give this video a go!
 

kamineko

Does his best thinking in the flying car
I was ambivalent about it the first time I saw it (original release). The plot didn't really grab me. I'm not sure I even understood it, honestly.

A few years later, I was encouraged to give it another try. The Director's Cut had come out, so we gave that a try. Somehow, cutting out the narration voiceover eliminated the need to follow the plot so closely. Instead I was able to focus on the imagery, and that seemed to make all the difference. It is a visually stunning film, and it has since become one of my favorites.

People like what they like, though. Seems like you gave it a fair shot, TC
 

Spectone

Member
For me the movie was about what makes us human. If we can make machines in our exact image are they not human? Or consider the fake memories, if none of your past is real then are you any less human than someone who has a real past? Are you the product of past experiences or can we create a past for you? Is a human their past or their present?
 

Ezalc

Member
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was amazing man. I actually thought the movie didn't do it justice by removing the whole religion aspect and making that dumb mystery of if Deckard is a replicant, he's not btw.

Also, pretty sure Philip K. Dick was a known author before the movie OP, given that the movie came out almost 20 years after the book. No need to shit on a great author.
 
To me the entire idea of "how do you know you are alive?" was just a powerful and fascinating idea from Blade Runner. Never thought about that concept before, and it wasn't really a popular thing in 80s and 90s scifi - no one questions whether C3P0 deserves rights, it came about a bit in TNG but was more goofy (data the sexy studbot!) than philosophical.

Nowadays with stuff like Matrix, Westworld, Ex Machina, Chappie, etc and Siri in your hand or chatbot on the net its an idea that isn't as transformative as it was in the 80s I think.
 

LionPride

Banned
The trailer has dropped for Blade Runner's sequel, and honestly the only thing I'm excited about is that the director of Arrival is getting more work. I saw the original (I presume its final cut, as it was on Netflix) for the first time this summer during a sci-fi class, which had been preceded by a good deal of anticipation due to its status as one of the best sci-fi films ever made. Before we watched it we had to read Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and Lord, the style is mediocre. Granted, there were facets of it I liked: the elaboration on Pris and John's relationship, Decker's wife Iran and her fascination with depression as a way to feel, the false religion, but it was all tied around this episodic "why did we go here?" plotting smothered underneath Dick's insistence on hammering the reader over the head with unnecessary reiteration of who's speaking and doing what. It was a slog.

But that's the book, which mainly got put on the map by the film anyway. Surely that wouldn't be indicative of anything to come. Ridley Scott in his prime helming a Harrison Ford feature backed by a beautiful aesthetic that basically wrote the book on cyberpunk design? Sign me the fuck up. I strapped myself in, prayed the teacher wouldn't spend too long on his usual introduction, cozied up in my chair, and off we were!

And I came out of the experience feeling betrayed because I hated it. I hated the stripping of the aforementioned cool elements from the book, the lack of personable relationships, the cheesy Christian symbolism (Roy, why you got a dove?), the editing (Roy, I asked you a question), this insistence that I'm supposed to even feel a damn thing for Roy, the obvious visual metaphors, the feeling that its questions had all been asked before in better realized works, the tacked-on replicant ambiguity at the end. It all felt poorly constructed and meandering, like a bad anime. I mean, I empathized with poor Rachel and I still love the art style. That's something. I understand that it's supposed to be more of a treatise on its philosophical underpinnings about humanity, morality, the relationship between empathy and lifespan, etc., more so than a straight laced sci-fi film like Alien. I don't think I'm missing the theoretical beats or am too dumb to "get it." I just failed to experience that same emotional connection in the moment of watching it, and note that I'm someone that outright loves 2001: A Space Odyssey for Christ's sakes.

So am I missing something particularly vital? Should I watch it again with a particular point of view or mode of thinking
Don't do this to me
? Or is it simply not for me?

Please tell me you realize that people knew who Phillip K. Dick was prior to Blade Runner

Please
 

Nepenthe

Member
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was amazing man. I actually thought the movie didn't do it justice by removing the whole religion aspect and making that dumb mystery of if Deckard is a replicant, he's not btw.

I liked the religion aspect too, and I was disappointed that it was left out because I found it and Iran one of the more interesting concepts put forth. Indeed, I almost kinda want to see a more accurate take on the original novel.

And yeah, I never thought Deckard was a replicant, so the hints being there just... annoy me further.

Please tell me you realize that people knew who Phillip K. Dick was prior to Blade Runner

Please

Also, pretty sure Philip K. Dick was a known author before the movie OP, given that the movie came out almost 20 years after the book. No need to shit on a great author.

I could've sworn I read that Blade Runner put his books back on the map. Not that he wasn't known at all, but that the film popularized him again. That's what I meant to say.

I'm sorry, but Dick's actual writing style is too elementary and pulpy for me. The amount of "he said" alone killed me, like I'm too stupid to follow properly established quote chains. Had more fun with The Martian, of all things.
 

dvolovets

Member
Please read the source material -- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. It is an excellent meditation on the human condition... on what it means to be human. And the movie is as well, by extension, but apparently a lot of posters in this thread missed that. No, it's not just about the atmosphere, and fuck no don't watch the movie on mute... the score is absolutely incredible.
 

dvolovets

Member
I...

I did read it.

Sorry, I wasn't addressing you specifically -- more so the posters in this thread who thought that the movie was a "mood piece" and the plot lacked substance. To specifically address the OP, yes you are right that a lot was lost during the transfer to film, but I feel like the movie retained enough of the core message regardless. Not sure why you thought the plot was meandering... the progression was ultimately still patterned after the book's plot, and although a number of characters and situations didn't make the cut, I'm not sure why you didn't feel the emotional connection to the characters as depicted in the film. There *is* a certain coldness to everything in the movie, which makes the entire thing feel distant, but I thought that's how the book felt too. I certainly didn't directly empathize with any of the characters... but I think to a degree that sort of empathy is not the point. I dunno, I am rambling now haha.

Also, re: your issue with the Christian symbolism, the book has plenty of religious symbolism... Mercerism... "empathy boxes"... etc.
 
I don't really like the Final Cut. It messes with the atmosphere, which is the thing that is cool about Blade Runner. Watch all of the cuts and you might find one you like.
 

A-V-B

Member
Why do people keep asking GAF to make them like something like they don't like? Don't plead to your peers. It's your opinion.
 
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