Hideo Kojima treated original MGS voice cast poorly?

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It sounds like Kojima is the type who always wants to be at the cool kids table, and once he makes it, he ditches his old friends.

My impression of Kojima was that he was a very nice guy who treats everyone with respect. For example I thought he still had the right to use the Tappy MGS theme, maybe would have to pay royalties, but chose to stop using it out of respect for the Russian composer. Also he never publicly criticizes anyone in hollywood, even if he thinks their movies suck...he will just not say much about it.

But he ditches David Hayter without a phone call or e-mail in favor of Keifer Sutherland? Very shitty of him. This reminds me of Dana White and the UFC letting old school UFC announcer Mike Goldberg go, and Dana didn't have the decency to even phone call or email him about it, much less meet in person.

Seems like Kojima just worships hollywood. It makes sense he made such a huge effort to get Harry Gregson Williams on board. Harry wasn't even a big name in hollywood TBH.



 
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They get hired on a per game basis. He owes them nothing, its a job and they get paid.

If he wants tinky fucken winky to voice Snake next then he can.
 
Koji-sama can treat me badly all night hehehehehe.

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I don't think so.

Before MGSV, Kojima didn't have anything to do with English voice actors in his games - and even then not so much, because Kiefer isn't a voice actor.

As much as Hayter is iconic, and beloved, I believe I read somewhere that he only met Kojima once; otherwise, I don't think I ever saw Kojima saying anything at all about Hayter - there isn't even one single picture, AFAIK, of the two of them together.

Kojima was always closest to Japanese voice actors, or seiyu if you will, most of them being super iconic, and legendary in their own right in anime.

Famous Kikuko Inoue is his friend, and she worked with him since Snatcher.
 
Kojima couldn't stand that David Hayter gained superstar status for his voice acting as the protagonist of Metal Gear Solid games.
David is still widely respected by fans, myself included. His iconic way of giving Solid Snake a voice is one of the reasons I love the Metal Gear games. He also respects and loves the character and games.
It was Kojima's baby, and he would have liked to receive all the credits for it.
 
I don't think so.

Before MGSV, Kojima didn't have anything to do with English voice actors in his games - and even then not so much, because Kiefer isn't a voice actor.

As much as Hayter is iconic, and beloved, I believe I read somewhere that he only met Kojima once; otherwise, I don't think I ever saw Kojima saying anything at all about Hayter - there isn't even one single picture, AFAIK, of the two of them together.

Kojima was always closest to Japanese voice actors, or seiyu if you will, most of them being super iconic, and legendary in their own right in anime.

Famous Kikuko Inoue is his friend, and she worked with him since Snatcher.
There's tons of pics of Kojima with Kiefer Sutherland. This is something that is brought up a lot.

And from what I read Hayter had to keep auditioning to keep his role to play Naked Snake and Old Snake. Hayter mentioned that Konami liked him, he was probably referring to the leadership of the American division of Konami. And that it was mainly Kojima wanting to replace him with a famous Hollywood actor, specifically had his team ask Kurt Russell to replace Hayter.

The voice director of Konami America who worked on all the MGS games said it was heartbreaking when they moved on from Hayter.

Hayter says he would like to work with Konami again, but not with Kojima.
 
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Yeah it's weird. Kojima definitely seems to want the friendship of Hollywood stars and the approval of the movie industry, but the games themselves are some of the purest games around.

Even MGS2, with a huge amount of cutscenes, is a huge achievement of interactivity.

Anyway, he definitely screwed over Hayter. Sutherland as Boss was dumb.
 
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But he ditches David Hayter without a phone call or e-mail in favor of Keifer Sutherland? Very shitty of him.

Hum…what? Everyone is paid on a game to game basis. He just didn't hire him for one game. He was in all the others. He didn't ditch him…he just didn't hire Hayter.

This isn't high school. And they were both working.

So because you hire a person once you need to always do it? And if you don't, you meed to explain that someone why they won't be hired? Nah…
 
Kojima couldn't stand that David Hayter gained superstar status for his voice acting as the protagonist of Metal Gear Solid games.
David is still widely respected by fans, myself included. His iconic way of giving Solid Snake a voice is one of the reasons I love the Metal Gear games. He also respects and loves the character and games.
It was Kojima's baby, and he would have liked to receive all the credits for it.
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Hum…what? Everyone is paid on a game to game basis. He just didn't hire him for one game. He was in all the others. He didn't ditch him…he just didn't hire Hayter.

This isn't high school. And they were both working.

So because you hire a person once you need to always do it? And if you don't, you meed to explain that someone why they won't be hired? Nah…

This is a strawman. No one is saying he had the legal right to keep playing Snake forever.

South Park or Simpsons could do a new season and change the voice actor of an iconic character. I'm sure it'd be within their rights to do so. And if they did so without a phone call, email, or meeting with the old voice actor, it'd be a shitty thing to do....and well within their rights.

I mean this is pretty basic stuff.
 
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No matter if they send you an email with panda pictures and flowers, being let go is being let go. What did you expect Kojima to do?

Voice actors do their entire work for a game in less than a few days. They're way less important to a game than any grunt code monkey developer on the team.
 
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No matter if they send you an email with panda pictures and flowers, being let go is being let go. What did you expect Kojima to do?

Voice actors do their entire work for a game in less than a few days. They're way less important to a game than any grunt code monkey developer on the team.

They're so unimportant that it was necessary to hire a far more expensive voice actor to replace the original one?

I mean..you know that one of the reasons Konami didn't renew Kojima's contract was that he was going overbudget? I'm sure paying Kiefer Sutherland didn't help with that.
 
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Too much damn news related to Kojima. Can we have something about Miyazaki, you know, the actual GOAT?
Regardless of the quality of his games (only played a bit of Bloodborne, I think), Hidetaka Miyazaki himself just isn't fun, interesting, and controversial enough to talk about as Kojima, Phil Spencer, Neil Druckmann, and some other people.

Even when you google Miyazaki, most results will be those of Hayao Miyazaki.
 
Regardless of the quality of his games (only played a bit of Bloodborne, I think), Hidetaka Miyazaki himself just isn't fun, interesting, and controversial enough to talk about as Kojima, Phil Spencer, Neil Druckmann, and some other people.

Even when you google Miyazaki, most results will be those of Hayao Miyazaki.
I guess that's true.
 
Hum…what? Everyone is paid on a game to game basis. He just didn't hire him for one game. He was in all the others. He didn't ditch him…he just didn't hire Hayter.

This isn't high school. And they were both working.

So because you hire a person once you need to always do it? And if you don't, you meed to explain that someone why they won't be hired? Nah…

High school? How is that even a comparison? Any healthy working relationship spanning over a decade would give a phone call or email before firing or severing ties. It would have been such an easy thing to do. Imagine working with a someone for over a decade and you just get ghosted. How would that make you feel? Unappreciated and disrespected.

Work still carries with it interpersonal relationships. I don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't. Just because money is involved doesn't mean human emotions and feelings go away.

Nintendo just did the same thing with the Princess Peach voice actor. It's just objectively rude to end a longtime relationship without any acknowledgement.
 
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It's like putting the same actor in every movie you make… becomes one note.

He didn't owe Hayter shit. You think if he does a DS3 and doesn't have Sam come back, then he owes Reedus a call or email?

lol. You people are weird. You think him and Hayter were actual friends? He isn't friends with the cast of death stranding either. It's just work.
 
I have always wanted Kojima to direct a Hollywood movie, where he does the writing and everything,. Only because unlike gamecritics who hold him up as some kind of god, movie critics without a real attachment to him would rip his films to shreds, especialy the terrible scripts and writing.
Its actually imo the reason why he never actually has directed a Hollywood movie, even though he desperately wants to. He knows what the critical reception would be and he doesnt want to tarnish his god like status.
 
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George Lucas syndrome.
Kojima is a writing and directing hack.
His actual talents (which do exist!) were only visible when he was restricted by large technical limitations.

Now he jerks off for a living.

Always have someone in the room willing to say "no". In the past the consoles did it for him. Today he's got absolutely nobody to stop him from just whacking off.
 
Wasn't the reason he didn't hire Hayter was because MGSV Snake was a fake snake.
Fake snake not having the OG VA seems to have extra fourth wall brake.

Also it's a job. Nobody owes anyone anything.
 
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To be honest, I always asume any creative that has this "auteur" vibe around them is a bit of an asshole in real life.
It's completely unfounded and it doesn't mean I don't enjoy or admire their work, but I don't associate "auteurs" or "visionaries" with being nice.

I hear Miyazaki hates Kojima. Maybe you should make a thread about that.
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It's like putting the same actor in every movie you make… becomes one note.

He didn't owe Hayter shit. You think if he does a DS3 and doesn't have Sam come back, then he owes Reedus a call or email?

lol. You people are weird. You think him and Hayter were actual friends? He isn't friends with the cast of death stranding either. It's just work.

You people don't seem to grasp the difference between a short term working relationship vs a decade long one.

And you come up with the same old canned strawman line of "He isn't owed anything" as if we are accusing Kojima of being a fraudster, scammer, or cheater or something. No one's saying that.

Yeah, just like if I worked for my employer for years, he still doesn't owe me and thank you and farewell. All he owes me is my last paycheck.

And yet, anyone with a lick of people skills would say that not giving an employee some kind of thank you and farewell after years of work...is shitty behavior.
 
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The way he replaced David in MGSV made no sense too btw, you had two characters in the game Big Boss and Venom Snake, if you wanted Keifer so bad have him voice Venom Snake and that would have made the whole reveal at the end even better, but yeah he is a Hollywood worshiper
 
They're so unimportant that it was necessary to hire a far more expensive voice actor to replace the original one?

I mean..you know that one of the reasons Konami didn't renew Kojima's contract was that he was going overbudget? I'm sure paying Kiefer Sutherland didn't help with that.

Oh I'm not defending that casting choice. Sutherland brings nothing to MGSV.
 
Wasn't the reason he didn't hire Hayter was because MGSV Snake was a fake snake.
Fake snake not having the OG VA seems to have extra fourth wall brake.

Also it's a job. Nobody owes anyone anything.

More that Kojima is in love with American cinema which is a big reason a lot of his games exist in the first place. A lot of people felt Hayter hammed it up in his later performances in the series but I will take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the phoned in performance from Kiefer.
 
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