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[SolarPowered]

-$499 or above
-No backwards compatibility
-No standard controller layout inside the box
-No used games
-Too few exclusives to sell systems
-Massive RROD or YLOD failures

Mostly these, I think. Any of these would apply to Sony and MS.

 

[goomba]

swing momentum to Nintendo?


Why would PS3 and 360 owners buy a Wii U over a 720 or PS4?

It will have minimal third party support, and it is more a move sideways rather than upward.


Wii U is not that much more powerful than 360 or PS3 to be considered a meaningful upgrade for most owners of those machines.


I would not consider Wii U an upgrade over the PS3 or 360, hence I have no interest in buying one.

How about to play games that you want to play that are not available on systems you already have ?

You know , the main reason any console sells.

 

[IrishNinja]

i could be wrong, but i really think if those rumors about blocking used games ever actually existed, they'd put a huge dent in things

599.99

best answer so far

Sony and MS are going to show their heavy hitters at E3. This year, next year. The years after.

usually much of GAF waits until the month before each E3 to hype itself up for inevitable disappointment, it's interesting that you've booked so early here

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Not release them.

Pretty much.

 

[StuBurns]

-$499 or above
-No backwards compatibility
-No standard controller layout inside the box
-No used games
-Too few exclusives to sell systems

The big five, I think. Any of these would apply to Sony and MS.

What does that mean?

 

[Randolph Freelander]

They would probably have to fail so hard it kills the tablet/smartphone market.

 

[jello44]

What does that mean?

Kinect/Move being the main use of control I would bet.

 

[SolarPowered]

What does that mean?

We hear about Sony using something with a screen ala Nintendo's gamepad. It's great that it should allow for a standard layout. It's no good if MS or Sony completely abandon the layout in favor of some uber move/kinect idea.

Kinect/Move being the main use of control I would bet.

Pretty much

Even Nintendo got the standard layout in the gamepad. The one who abandons that will make themselves the odd man out from a controller perspective.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

It all depends on third party support for WiiU, and how fast Microsoft and Sony can get, they're consoles price down to $299.99.

 

[grimshawish]

What does that mean?

Think it means a confused controller situation (?)
E.g. If Sony decided to keep DS3 but launch a touch screen and a new version of Move.

The problem is more that the controllers can't evolve if its not clear what the standard is to be.

 

[Zoramon089]

What does that mean?

Well considering the WiiU controller is somehow not a standard button layout, I'd say it's a controller with anything that you can see that isn't a button/stick

 

[ascii42]

usually much of GAF waits until the month before each E3 to hype itself up for inevitable disappointment, it's interesting that you've booked so early here

Generation shifts always generate more hype

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Much like how the Vita flopped despite a seemingly strong launch lineup and reasonable price, the games GAF will get excited for at E3 and the idealized price points it will settle on in the leadup to the launch may not guarantee success. Announced games will, just like WiiU, not all be available for launch, and some of them will turn out to be less of a draw than expected. CoD, being available on every platform under the sun, and for whom the best version has been on PC for the last six hojillion years, will not guarantee a smashing success. 599 is hardly the only price point that will discourage sales.

I hope that all the consoles do well enough to get strong support and good game libraries, since I'll be purchasing all of them within a year of launch (or at launch, depending on my financial situation at the time). But I'm bracing for sales that don't set the world on fire.

 

[AstroNut325]

Launching with no games or crappy OS/features/functions. Price won't matter unless it's OVER the $599 mark.

 

[Pachterballs]

why would MS+SONY doing a poor showing swing momentum to nintendo? That's my question for you.

 

[erawsd]

Besides 599, the worst they could do is force some inane gimmick. MS has already jacked up Windows 8 with the terrible "Metro Start" -- hopefully, they've learned their lesson.

 

[StuBurns]

We hear about Sony using something with a screen ala Nintendo's gamepad. It's great that it should allow for a standard layout. It's no good if MS or Sony completely abandon the layout in favor of some uber move/kinect idea.

Oh, I see. That won't happen, considering everything is going to be on both systems, they'll both stick to basically the 360 pad.

 

[Synth_floyd]

It's not a zero sum game. Nintendo messed up. If Sony and MS mess up even worse it doesn't mean that people will automatically go to the least bad console.

 

[Evolved1]

usually much of GAF waits until the month before each E3 to hype itself up for inevitable disappointment, it's interesting that you've booked so early here

The fact that other consoles and their offerings are still a ways out is kind of my point.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

-Over betting on HD+ graphics (normal consumers end up not being able to tell the difference)
-Price (more than $300 is too much, as Nintendo will price drop to that)
-No innovation (all the biggest sellers in gaming's recent past have offered something new, the same old+ machines haven't lit the world on fire)
-Port/multi plat heavy line up (everyone will just buy the PS360 versions instead)

 

[Penguin]

Games just looking "good"

While I'm sure the games will be a noticeable improvement, if it isn't a dramatic leap for some, I can see that being a disappointment/turn-off for launch.

Outside of that, really launch line-up. I'm still curious to see what both companies have in terms of big exclusives.

 

[HardRojo]

watch nintendo's e3 2012 conference

do that

This, Nintendo had all expectations on their favor, they didn't need to do too much, just show interesting games and explain the Wii U as it was but they managed to ruin it somehow.

 

[RoadHazard]

Outrageous pricing and/or a complete lack of interesting games, I guess? But neither MS nor Sony is gonna release another $599 console, and the games will be there, so I don't know. My feeling is that this generation is gonna end up with Nintendo in 3rd place once again.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

I lol'd at the thread title just thinking how bad things would have to go to make that scenario happen. I mean it's not like people will throw up their hands and make a lateral jump just for the fuck of it. Why would anyone decide to adopt a platform just ever so slightly more powerful than their current one, with only a tiny fraction of the library?

For this to actually happen MS/Sony would have to both give up on current and next gen console completely, and their combined customer base would aldo have to decide against the PC option.

 

[Lambtron]

That's not much more expensive than the WiiU, and for much more powerful hardware.

$599 is slightly over double what the base Wii U SKU costs. That qualifies as "much more expensive" in my book. I'm guessing the Wii U SKUs will both drop $50, and they'll include some extra pack ins.

I spent $499 on my near-launch PS3. Look, I eventually played quite a few games on it, and I enjoyed some of them a lot. But there is no way I'll ever drop five bills on a fucking game console ever again. If they're a cent over $399.99, there's absolutely no way I'm jumping in.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

- Too many ads (Microsoft already crossed that line)
- Charging for online play (it just isn't acceptable anymore)
- Blocking used games

Right now I have no interest in any of them so it may be that when the other 2 release that I maintain no interest in them. I also have no interest in Ouya or Steambox.

 

[User Name Here]

Overprice the console and/or introduce protection against backups.

 

[knitoe]

Needing to have 2 jobs again.

Spoiler

Just let me preorder a X720 & PS4 already.

 

[Mitsurux]

A few small things

Price
To many different SKU's at launch
How they handle PSN/XBLA digital content (ie carry over transefer or nothing etc.)
No big "Name" launch title

 

[Thoraxes]

By releasing them.

Also by not killing off their previous systems, which they won't do because those will still make them more money because of the massive losses they are likely to take with their new consoles unless they charge a lot.

 

[jello44]

Oh, I see. That won't happen, considering everything is going to be on both systems, they'll both stick to basically the 360 pad.

Agreed, although there was a rumor that the ps4 controller would have some sort of touch pad. Dunno how true it is.

 

[Karak]

It would take a combination of things on one of the systems to do that kind of thing and it would most likely just push people to the sister system and not back to the WiiU

Price too high
BC not included(due to the high price making expectations higher)
Something dire missing like Bluray playback in one and not the other.

However, I don't see them BOTH having issues.

 

[RoadHazard]

-Price (more than $300 is too much, as Nintendo will price drop to that)

I believe the PS4 and 720 can handle being a bit more expensive than the Wii U - $400, perhaps. People will notice the jump and be prepared to pay a bit more for it, except maybe the casuals (who all bought Wiis last gen and probably won't bother getting another console anyway, both because they're happy with what they have and because they've all got iPads and whatnot now).

 

[SolarPowered]

Oh, I see. That won't happen, considering everything is going to be on both systems, they'll both stick to basically the 360 pad.

Yep, I expect no BC and $499 before they ever mess with the standard layout.

 

[Trent Strong]

I don't think it's possible, unless Orbis and Durango are incredibly expensive.

 

[Oersted]

Price and always this

Durango requires children's blood to operate.

Besides that, its more about Sony outshining MS or vice versa. Both of them will most likely do the same thing, HD twins with improved specs, so they have to give the average consumer a reason for not buying the competitor. Maybe something crazy like innovations but most likely money-hatting.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

I believe the PS4 and 720 can handle being a bit more expensive than the Wii U - $400, perhaps. People will notice the jump and be prepared to pay a bit more for it, except maybe the casuals (who all bought Wiis last gen and probably won't bother getting another console anyway, both because they're happy with what they have and because they've all got iPads and whatnot now).

It's not that PS4/XB3 won't be worth more than Wii U (they likely will), it's that consoles don't perform well above the $250 mark and Wii U is already disastrously above it. The two new consoles could pack $1000 with of tech for only $500 and consumers still won't see the value.

 

[Thoraxes]

-Over betting on HD+ graphics (normal consumers end up not being able to tell the difference)
-Price (more than $300 is too much, as Nintendo will price drop to that)
-No innovation (all the biggest sellers in gaming's recent past have offered something new, the same old+ machines haven't lit the world on fire)
-Port/multi plat heavy line up (everyone will just buy the PS360 versions instead)

Oh, i'd easily bet Nintendo has a competitive price drop ready for next holiday season. Their strategy always seems to be to be first to the market to use that time to sell higher then cut when competition begins.

 

[SimpleGamer]

Making them $800-$1000. Might as well build you a gaming PC if that was to happen.

 

[Lambtron]

It's not that PS4/XB3 won't be worth more than Wii U (they likely will), it's that consoles don't perform well above the $250 mark and Wii U is already disastrously above it. The two new consoles could pack $1000 with of tech for only $500 and consumers still won't see the value.

I consider myself pretty tech savvy, and I like a lot of the value added features in the game consoles, but I'm buying them primarily for games. Dropping $500 to play videogames is a rough ask. You're looking $600 easily if you buy one game (not including DLC or whatever) at launch with taxes. Ugh.

 

[Trent Strong]

-Over betting on HD+ graphics (normal consumers end up not being able to tell the difference)
-Price (more than $300 is too much, as Nintendo will price drop to that)
-No innovation (all the biggest sellers in gaming's recent past have offered something new, the same old+ machines haven't lit the world on fire)
-Port/multi plat heavy line up (everyone will just buy the PS360 versions instead)

We've seen footage from Watchdogs, that new Star Wars game and Ground Zeros. All those games look leaps and bounds above current gen games. I dont' know how people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

[Darryl]

no games

 

[grimshawish]

We've seen footage from Watchdogs, that new Star Wars game and Ground Zeros. All those games look leaps and bounds above current gen games. I dont' know how people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

They have the art style of current gen games as well as the gameplay. Both of these will have to evolve.

 

[Dark_AnNiaLatOr]

We've seen footage from Watchdogs, that new Star Wars game and Ground Zeros. All those games look leaps and bounds above current gen games. I dont' know how people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Yep, the threads for those games always garner a huge amount of attention. There's no doubt in my mind that we will see some extremely hype inducing stuff, hopefully sooner than E3. Regardless, the hype train has been getting more juiced lately.

 

[guek]

Nintendo's future success has far less to do with what their competition does than it does with their own actions. They've chosen a lower end, but incredibly viable, market to target that's distinct from the markets Sony and Microsoft are targeting, and yet very related in venn-diagram-like fashion.

This is one of the reasons people writing off the Wii U already are just being asinine. There is also the fact that the industry has severely contracted from what it was just a few years ago. Whether or not new consoles will be able to restore the market to a more robust state that's necessary in order to to sustain high budget, AAA development has yet to be seen. What should be overwhelmingly clear (and yet somehow isn't to most people on GAF) is that the market isn't going to fix itself in a day or even a single year.

 

[Of All Trades]

Actually naming them Durango and Orbis.

 

[GillianSeed79]

1. Launch price more than $499.
2. (Unlikely) $70 games due HD tax increase.
3. (Used to it as PC gamer) Anti-used game DRM or always on DRM.
4. No backwards compatiblity for XBLA/PSN games/no way to transfer XBLA/PSN games to Durango/Orbis hard drive.
5. No killer apps within one-year launch window.
6. Over reliance on multi-media functionality instead of games during launch window.
7. (Unlikely) Super inflated development costs that only allow AAAA games with massive budgets to succeed on platforms even more so than this gen.

 

[IrishNinja]

599 is hardly the only price point that will discourage sales.

i think this is also a pretty important point...here on GAF, many threads point to expectations of a $400 PS4, while others within debate that's unreasonable, it has to be $500...i personally believe the latter is sending any device to die, but we're still operating under the assumption that a $400 holiday system would move despite this economy. i'm reminded how many here thought the Vita would fly off shelves at $250 for its tech alone, a number of which still insist this'd clearly have been the case had it not been for memory cards (despite the forms of price cut we've seen since proving this entirely wrong)

But I'm bracing for sales that don't set the world on fire.

quite reasonable...there's going to be as many WU figure comparisons as there were vita ones to it just recently, if not more, i'd imagine

The fact that other consoles and their offerings are still a ways out is kind of my point.

saying they'd have their heavy hitters out for multiple E3's in a row is an odd way to say that, though

 

[StuBurns]

They have the art style of current gen games as well as the gameplay. Both of these will have to evolve.

Yes, hopefully we'll get that. Gears really set the tone for the cinematic/TPS focus of this generation, and CoD4 set the new standard for multiplayer game design, I think we're all ready and eager to see something move the needle, but I'm not sure we should expect to see it in June.

 

[MikeE21286]

Their strategy always seems to be to be first to the market to use that time to sell higher then cut when competition begins.

I think that's actually factually incorrect

Wii was after Xbox 360
GameCube was after PS2 and Dreamcast
N64 was after Playstation and Saturn
SNES was after Sega Genesis