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How I Left the Jehovah’s Witnesses to Pursue Filmmaking (Chris Stuckmann)

Kimahri

Banned
JW is some vile shit. Through my job I've dealt with multiple JW kids. Every single one struggled with depression and anxiety to some degree. One loved Magic TG, so we played that together. Was the only thing that got him to leave the house for a while. Then his parents took that from him since blasphemous magic shit or whatever.

Fuck these zealots. They're inflicting so much damage on their poor kids.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
These bastards keep sending me pamphlets saying that they are sorry they keep missing me. Are they stalking me?
 

Jethalal

Banned
I like this dude's reviews. I don't know much about JW stuff but sounds like some weird shit. Happy he got out of this. Watching the vid now.
 

Kreen101

Member
I'm a Catholic so JW are not exactly on my team, and there's a million things I disagree or condemn both theologically and more generally in what they do, but it is unfair to take the bad experiences of some and generalize them to the whole religion. Many millions of people love being JW, and find a lot of structure, hope and fellowship in the organization. You can take any religion -- indeed any organization and movement -- and find plenty of ex-members who have nothing but bad things to say about it. But you have to also listen to those who have had good experiences.
 

Jethalal

Banned
So I saw the vid. What is wrong with people? This is a full blown cult trapping people. Shouldn't this be outlawed? I don't believe in god a bit but the only thing I like about religions are the festivals, they bring people together and these dipshits won't even celebrate them. They divide people and are openly anti-LGBT, aren't there any laws to bring them down or is it that people are afraid to take any action.
 

K' Dash

Member
I'm a Catholic so JW are not exactly on my team, and there's a million things I disagree or condemn both theologically and more generally in what they do, but it is unfair to take the bad experiences of some and generalize them to the whole religion. Many millions of people love being JW, and find a lot of structure, hope and fellowship in the organization. You can take any religion -- indeed any organization and movement -- and find plenty of ex-members who have nothing but bad things to say about it. But you have to also listen to those who have had good experiences.

They're a cult my dude, my brother became a JW to marry one of them and they actively tried to "turn" my VERY catholic parents.

When they couldn't turn any member of my family they just kept my brother from seeing or talking to us.

They're vile, they're a cáncer.
 
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teezzy

Banned
They're a cult my dude, my brother became a JW to marry one of them and they actively tried to "turn" my VERY catholic parents.

When they couldn't turn any member of my family they just kept my brother from seeing or talking to us.

They're vile, they're a cáncer.

How hot was she?
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Explains a hell of a lot, namely why Stuckmann acts more like a robot than a real human being. Pretty sure there was a story another internet movie type person wrote going round a while back about how he invited him to his house and how the guy is incredibly socially awkward. I always knew there was something off about the guy, this puts that to bed.
 

taizuke

Member
Chris is awesome. He's probably the first person on youtube i turn to when i am unsure about a movie or just simply to watch his review. But, what i love most about him is his filmmaker's perspective.

I'm glad he's been able to overcome all this shit. I wish him nothing but the best and i will continue to support him.
 

INC

Member
20mins in and......dam

I grew up with a JW best friend (also a chris), didn't know it was like this, to me it was just he never got Xmas presents, or didnt have to go to assembly every morning at primary (because we sang Christian songs)

I feel sad for chris, because he speaks about his dad a lot on the show, and now perhaps, he won't ever get to speak to him again.

Religion is fucked up
 
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Elginer

Member
Tried to bang a chick in HS who was JW her dad was like you can
Only date my daughter if you convert (I’m Catholic). I was like nah dog the pussy ain’t worth it. They did some weird shit, and couldn’t celebrate their birthday.
 

Kreen101

Member
They're a cult my dude, my brother became a JW to marry one of them and they actively tried to "turn" my VERY catholic parents.

When they couldn't turn any member of my family they just kept my brother from seeing or talking to us.

They're vile, they're a cáncer.
I know all about them, and how they operate. They do try to convert everybody, and then shun those that leave. But the fact remains that for millions of people, it's a way of life they enjoy and that you could not take away from them, and there's more to them than simply those aspects which I find abhorrent.

I mean, there are some communities or groups that, if you were to call them "vile" or "a cancer", you'd get into a lot of trouble and be called a -phobe or an -ist. I don't know why it's ok to refer to millions of decent people as "vile" when -- rightly -- we'd never think of writing such a thing about other groups. And it doesn't get much more "minority" or "misunderstood" than JW.
 

INC

Member
Man, watching his video of him saying he's gonna have to shut down his old review channel, crushing tbh, sounded utter depressed and broken


Imagine seeing that video, as a parent, and not think, wtf am I doing to my kid.........
 

K' Dash

Member
I know all about them, and how they operate. They do try to convert everybody, and then shun those that leave. But the fact remains that for millions of people, it's a way of life they enjoy and that you could not take away from them, and there's more to them than simply those aspects which I find abhorrent.

I mean, there are some communities or groups that, if you were to call them "vile" or "a cancer", you'd get into a lot of trouble and be called a -phobe or an -ist. I don't know why it's ok to refer to millions of decent people as "vile" when -- rightly -- we'd never think of writing such a thing about other groups. And it doesn't get much more "minority" or "misunderstood" than JW.

you say you know their ways?, well, you don't know enough if you think the way they operate and treat others is "decent", they only do it to get you to join.

Removing a person from family just because they don't share the beliefs of your imaginary friend is fucking vile, whether you want to see it or not.
 

eot

Banned
I know all about them, and how they operate. They do try to convert everybody, and then shun those that leave. But the fact remains that for millions of people, it's a way of life they enjoy and that you could not take away from them, and there's more to them than simply those aspects which I find abhorrent.

I mean, there are some communities or groups that, if you were to call them "vile" or "a cancer", you'd get into a lot of trouble and be called a -phobe or an -ist. I don't know why it's ok to refer to millions of decent people as "vile" when -- rightly -- we'd never think of writing such a thing about other groups. And it doesn't get much more "minority" or "misunderstood" than JW.
They're doing something akin to holding people hostage, "you're 'free to leave' but we'll make it hell for you". Forcing your kids into something like that is vile.
 

INC

Member
.......then a gender bit at the end..........oh well, whatever dude, u do you, the 'fuck it' did make me chuckle tho

As long as its just the one off, fuck it, heres how fucked up I had it, type deal, and carries on, just doing reviews, then cool, fair play to him.
 

iJudged

Banned
THE DOOR BELL WOULD RING AND AS I am opening the door, this old lady already has her bible or whatever it is out and is reading, there was always a younger person behind them, dressed very appropriately, with a very ambitious smile on their face, and I am thinking to my self, what the fuck, not AGAIN! So I had enough one day, I opened the door butt naked, fuck it.... After that, no one came for a while, but then they started again, at that point I didn't care, I was moving soon anyways so I just started closing doors as I opened and sew it was them.

Maybe someone can answer this, why are they reading already as I am opening the door and why aren't they taking NO for an answer?
 

Kreen101

Member
They're doing something akin to holding people hostage, "you're 'free to leave' but we'll make it hell for you". Forcing your kids into something like that is vile.
I don't like it, but you know that someone could say about Christianity as a whole: "you have parents telling their children that they have to go to church and follow Jesus or they'll spend all eternity in Hell. How is that not vile child abuse?".
 

Kreen101

Member
Maybe someone can answer this, why are they reading already as I am opening the door and why aren't they taking NO for an answer?
The first part I can't answer, as it's not been my experience; when they knock on my door they always look up as anybody would. Maybe they were reading a passage that was supposed to give them strength.

The second part I can answer: it's part of their method, which telemarketers also use: you stick to the script no matter what, because some people eventually give up out of tiredness.

But I think they're changing their methods now, as door-to-door ministry no longer works in a world where both parents are often out working, people no longer answer the door, and so many people are hostile to religion that you can no longer realistically hope to run into practicing Protestants who are a bit let down by their local church and want the fellowship and structure that JW offer.

I've noticed that a better way they use now is they put two people with a pile of books at several places in the city, and they just give the books away for free to whoever wants one; they engage in conversation with the few passerbys who want to.
 
For me personally I it was a cause to pause and wonder “why are all my classmates, teachers, and their families bad”? At like the age of 6. Something was always odd and off for me.

The whole part of considering people outside the religion as “WORLDLY” is 1000% accurate. In fact I was given a verbal beat down when I referred to one of my class mates as a friend. “These worldly people can never be your friends”. That was 2nd grade.

The reason it was hell for me and not my siblings is because I could hide or pretend... I didn’t share their views.

Now you can certainly say the abuse I suffered from my household doesn’t reflect the religion as a whole. That’s fair.

However the religions views on people not part of the religion is 100% on the religion it self. It goes beyond believing someone who is Gay is a sinner.
 
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showernota

Member
I don't like it, but you know that someone could say about Christianity as a whole: "you have parents telling their children that they have to go to church and follow Jesus or they'll spend all eternity in Hell. How is that not vile child abuse?".
That's an unfortunate simplification of the gospel. I grew up that way, so I understand it, but it reeks of millennial angst. The difference is that Jesus did not require membership to a specific organization to be saved.

The issue with JWs is the fact that, according to them, involvement in their organization is required for salvation:
The Society states, "A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization" i.e., the Watchtower Society (Watchtower, February 15, 1983, p. 12; emphasis theirs). In fact, it is "essential" that people become Jehovah's Witnesses in order to be saved (Our Kingdom Ministry, November, 1990, p. 1). The Watchtower teaches that people must belong to the Society because, "By means of his organization, including the elders, [God] provides us with direction and protection" (Watchtower, January 15, 1995, p. 28).

The direction provided by the Society is more than simply biblical preaching and teaching; it is for Jehovah's Witnesses the source of all knowledge pertaining to salvation. The Society proclaims, "Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication God is using, we will not progress along the road of life, no matter how much Bible reading we do" (Watchtower, December 1, 1981, p. 27). Membership in the Watchtower Society is so vital for Jehovah's Witnesses that they believe non-members will receive no guidance from God (Watchtower, July 1, 1965, p. 391).
And like many cults, really do hold people hostage based on that fear and exploit relationships and emotions to maintain control. Shunning being the main tool. As well as disfellowshipping
When a person is disfellowshipped or is deemed to have disassociated, an announcement is made at the next midweek meeting that the named individual "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Congregation members are not informed whether a person is being shunned due to "disfellowshipping" or "disassociation", or on what grounds. Shunning starts immediately after the announcement is made.[104][105] A notification form is sent to the local branch office and records of the disfellowshipping are saved in the congregational records. Both are kept until at least five years after reinstatement.[106][107]

Failure to adhere to the directions on shunning is itself considered a serious offense. Members who continue to speak to or associate with a disfellowshipped or disassociated person are said to be sharing in their "wicked works"[108] and may themselves be disfellowshipped.[109] Exceptions are made in some cases, such as business relations and immediate family household situations.[94] If a disfellowshipped person is living in the same home with other baptized family members, religious matters are not discussed, with the exception of minors, for whose training parents are still responsible.[110][111] Disfellowshipped family members outside the home are shunned.[93] Disfellowshipped individuals can continue attending public meetings held at the Kingdom Hall, though they are shunned by the congregation.[112]

You can imagine how many parents would choose to kick out a child who was disfellowshipped, rather than chance the rest of the family being damned because they couldn't attend the only church anymore.
 
That's an unfortunate simplification of the gospel. I grew up that way, so I understand it, but it reeks of millennial angst. The difference is that Jesus did not require membership to a specific organization to be saved.

The issue with JWs is the fact that, according to them, involvement in their organization is required for salvation:

And like many cults, really do hold people hostage based on that fear and exploit relationships and emotions to maintain control. Shunning being the main tool. As well as disfellowshipping


You can imagine how many parents would choose to kick out a child who was disfellowshipped, rather than chance the rest of the family being damned because they couldn't attend the only church anymore.
Yes, they believe being a member of JW is required.

In fact one of the last conversations I had with one was around this topic.

I said “you really believe that you have to be a Jehovah Witness? That being a good person and following all the right things isn’t enough”?

The answer was an instant YES. No hesitation or pondering at all.

I said that I disagreed.

They quoted some scripture that said something about Christ return after gods word being heard around the world, that is the point of their ministry.

Essentially they believe god is waiting on them. The faster they work, the sooner Christ’s return... destroying the wicked.

And that wicked is anyone outside of the religion.

They also believe that anyone who died before Christ’s return will be resurrected and given a second chance. I never wonder until now... but does that include people like Hitler.
 
I'm a big fan of asceticism, separating myself from certain things to focus on spiritual matters. But this is a personal thing between yourself and God. When you are pulled further and further away from society by your religious group, though that religion teaches you should be a light to the world, you're going to start losing grip on yourself. When a particular religion or religious group enforces separation on its members, you may not even get the chance to gain a grip on yourself like this guy who grew up in it.

Even though they are the butt of (lighthearted) jokes, I've always respected the amish rule to allow children to sow their wild oats before returning to the way of life. The amish are by no means perfect subculture, but they seem to understand that people need the option to leave with no strings attached if they are ever going to be fully dedicated to the cause. It's practical. If you're gonna be riding in a wagon next to a dude in a BMW, you're gonna feel pangs of embarrassment or even resentment at some point in your life, so you might as well be allowed to make the decision instead of being forced into it.

True religion is characterized by love for the sinner, not an avoidance of sin, in my belief.
 
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teezzy

Banned
My first formal job was working at a grocery store bakery. My boss was a Jehovah's Witness and it was funny watching her decorate birthday cakes
 
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MrS

Banned
I had little respect for Stuckmann but now I have even less knowing how much of a fool he was/is. Also, "filmmaker" lmao. The shit youtubers tell themselves man.
 
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K' Dash

Member
I had little respect for Stuckmann but now I have even less knowing how much of a fool he was/is. Also, "filmmaker" lmao. The shit youtubers tell themselves man.

I don't know much about the dudes work, but what can you do when you are born into a cult? all that crazy shit will be normal to you until you start socializing with other kids.
 

VulcanRaven

Member
I had little respect for Stuckmann but now I have even less knowing how much of a fool he was/is. Also, "filmmaker" lmao. The shit youtubers tell themselves man.
I don't think he says that he is a filmmaker now. He wants to direct movies in the future.
 
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Dark Star

Member
I love Chris Stuckmann and I always liked his channel. His reviews are genuinely good. I've watched him for years and always assumed he had a cool/cultured childhood playing video games and watching movies, so it was a huge shock to me when he released that video. His life was awful for a good chunk of his early YT career and nobody ever knew.

It's totally sick and disgusting how those people treated him, forced him to be something he's not, and belittled his passions and interests for petty reasons. Just messed up and for no good reason. It takes so much courage and strength to talk about child abuse as a grown up, so mad props to him. It's insane how innocent people get sucked into this stuff, so I feel sorry for the forced followers, but the leaders of JW have totally created a radical cult on the same level as Scientology.

The part where he talks about his friend's parents basically disowning him, kicking him out of the house leaving him homeless, and pretending he doesn't exist because he came out as gay is just disturbing and sad. I really hope Chris gets the closure he needed, and I hope those JW people don't come back to haunt him again.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Clamping down on individual freedom and personal autonomy in service of a non-provable groupthink reinforced organization via passive aggressive edicts is despicable. I'm glad that Chris is able to find some personal happiness and success now.
 

Shouta

Member
Stuckmann's interview with Double Toasted was where he talked about this initially, like he mentioned in the video. It's a really good one too so I recommend checking it out.

 
We need more fundamental religious people and less degeneracy

Didn't watch and don't know what the Joseph Witnesses are tho
 
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NahaNago

Member

For me personally I it was a cause to pause and wonder “why are all my classmates, teachers, and their families bad”? At like the age of 6. Something was always odd and off for me.

The whole part of considering people outside the religion as “WORLDLY” is 1000% accurate. In fact I was given a verbal beat down when I referred to one of my class mates as a friend. “These worldly people can never be your friends”. That was 2nd grade.

The reason it was hell for me and not my siblings is because I could hide or pretend... I didn’t share their views.

Now you can certainly say the abuse I suffered from my household doesn’t reflect the religion as a whole. That’s fair.

However the religions views on people not part of the religion is 100% on the religion it self. It goes beyond believing someone who is Gay is a sinner.
I was raised non denominational Christian and we pretty much expressed nearly everything that wasn't religion focused as worldly. Kinda miss those simpler days.
 
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