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[Zaptruder]

The ability and option is there...

So will it be an option we see much? sub screen with map, inventory or what not I guess is expected, but what would be really nice is if it could do things like 2 player 2 screen co-op modes, or in sports games, have 1 screen showing the entire field and the other screen showing the close up of the action. Along with the 'possible' 13 controllers, you could have an entire team playing their own character in the game.

What other possiblities do you see and how likely do you think it is that it will happen?

 

[Bebpo]

Do you mean like with the PSP? Because if you mean with 2 TVs the answer will be never even if it has 2 HDMI outs.

 

[SnakeXs]

Assuming it even stays, I say it won't be used for shit.

Maybe first party stuff, and an oddball here or there, but, all in all it'll be ignored.

Again, if it even makes it in the final hardware.

 

[DCharlie]

bebpo - a few devs are already talking about it.

(well, as an optional extra, not something core to gameplay)

 

[Bebpo]

bebpo - a few devs are already talking about it.

For what? 2 player racing on one console? I have a hard time believing that most racing games that can barely handle one screen at 30-60fps will be able to output a whole 2nd screen for the other player.

 

[choplifter]

play game on one screen, surf the web or videochat about it on the other screen?
holy shit i would go for that.


what about using two HDTV screens PLUS your PSP connected also, for a small screen/HUD/map/etc. lots pf possibilities

 

[krypt0nian]

About as many as supported that 3 screen setup ala GT4.

It is the very definition of superfluous IMO.

 

[RidgeCityFM]

none. this past gen we barely got devs to give us progressive scan. now you want them to fill a whole 2nd screen? :lol

 

[BioFan]

For what? 2 player racing on one console? I have a hard time believing that most racing games that can barely handle one screen at 30-60fps will be able to output a whole 2nd screen for the other player.

dont forget ps3 is capable of 120fps...

 

[GotchaForce]

fwuf?

 

[DCharlie]

For what? 2 player racing on one console? I have a hard time believing that most racing games that can barely handle one screen at 30-60fps will be able to output a whole 2nd screen for the other player.

No, i don't mean 2 player racing on one console
I meant stuff similar to stuff like GT4 monitor system for instance...
different camera angles from around the track, map read outs, pit information etc etc...

 

[alexxx]

People are just now springing for HD displays in real numbers, how many people do you honestly think are going to have two?

 

[Bebpo]

No, i don't mean 2 player racing on one console
I meant stuff similar to stuff like GT4 monitor system for instance...
different camera angles from around the track, map read outs, pit information etc etc...

Ah. So useless stuff that's just for looking nice at trade shows

 

[DCharlie]

Ah. So useless stuff that's just for looking nice at trade shows

basically! ha ha. That's not a million miles from how i heard it described.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

For what? 2 player racing on one console? I have a hard time believing that most racing games that can barely handle one screen at 30-60fps will be able to output a whole 2nd screen for the other player.

Each screen wouldn't necessarily have the same quality as if someone was playing alone. It'd just be like split-screen, without splitting one screen.

But yeah, due to how few would ever take advantage of this feature, I doubt it's used often. I mean, there are certainly millions of households with both GBA and GCN, and even that never went far.

 

[antipode]

I'm not sure why people are so pessimistic on this one. There were a bunch of games with split-screen multiplayer this gen - if a game is going to do 720p split-screen multiplayer, why not offer a 480p dual-screen multiplayer mode also? That way players can get a normal aspect ratio.

 

[Zaptruder]

People are just now springing for HD displays in real numbers, how many people do you honestly think are going to have two?

A few if you count a LCD monitor as a HD capable device.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

for first person shooters, each screen represents your characters individual eye

 

[RidgeCityFM]

for first person shooters, each screen represents your characters individual eye

so does that mean you'll have to play like this?

 

[SolidSnakex]

what about using two HDTV screens PLUS your PSP connected also, for a small screen/HUD/map/etc. lots pf possibilities

 

[Count Chocula]

The obvious use is to have multiplayer games support split screen or dual screen.
Then probably the same group of people who used the Link cable would use it.

 

[Count Chocula]

People are just now springing for HD displays in real numbers, how many people do you honestly think are going to have two?

It doesn't have to be two HDTV's. Regular AV cable must also go into the HDMI port on the PS3 so should be able to use any old TV.

 

[DefectiveReject]

i don't know about you, but i find it hard concentrating on whats going on, on one screen never mind 3!!!
the only thing it would be used for is multi player no? one screen each?

 

[SolidSnakex]

i don't know about you, but i find it hard concentrating on whats going on, on one screen never mind 3!!!
the only thing it would be used for is multi player no? one screen each?

Yes its for multiplayer. Kojima said he's thinking about doing something like that, where someone can control MKII. Otherwise it'd just be an AI controlled character.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

dont forget ps3 is capable of 120fps...

Wasn't that just a reference to a wish/aim for next generation video format beyond Blu-ray/HD-DVD tech, one that isn't limited to 30 or even 60 fps with video that is seen now.

 

[mckmas8808]

People are just now springing for HD displays in real numbers, how many people do you honestly think are going to have two?

YOU DON'T NEED TWO HDTV'S!!!

 

[SolidSnakex]

Wasn't that just a reference to a wish/aim for next generation video format beyond Blu-ray/HD-DVD tech, one that isn't limited to 30 or even 60 fps with video that is seen now.

From what I remember it's what Kutaragi said movies will be able to run at, it wasn't about the games.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Yes its for multiplayer. Kojima said he's thinking about doing something like that, where someone can control MKII. Otherwise it'd just be an AI controlled character.

Good!
Would it affect development time?

 

[firefoxsux]

play game on one screen, surf the web or videochat about it on the other screen?
holy shit i would go for that.


what about using two HDTV screens PLUS your PSP connected also, for a small screen/HUD/map/etc. lots pf possibilities

Cell is powerful but PS3 use the same 512mb ram.

That dont look the part to run an OS with plethora of features and not suffer in gameplay.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Good!
Would it affect development time?

I'm not really sure, Kojima's said that he's not completely sure it'll even work. He wanted a robot like that in MGS2 but the PS2 couldn't handle it like he wanted so it was removed. So I guess there's still a possiblity MKII will be removed if he can't get it to do what he wants.

 

[boyshine]

Wasn't that just a reference to a wish/aim for next generation video format beyond Blu-ray/HD-DVD tech, one that isn't limited to 30 or even 60 fps with video that is seen now.

No, I think it actually was said in the context of game graphics on PS3. First 1080p, which I have yet to find a TV that supports (in Norway/Europe), and on top of that 120Hz.. This is going to be expensive for the tech nerd who can't live with knowing that it is possible to view the game with an even higher quality display option.

 

[araganekyassuru]

FTW!

 

[Chris_C]

I think it'll be great for CoOp multiplayer. That said I doubt it'll get much support at all.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Just because it's possible doesn't mean they can pull it off successfully. As powerful as the console will be, I very much doubt it can send two similar outputs to two different screens at a quality people expect.

 

[gofreak]

As said before, it's not about rendering two HD pictures to two displays.

In a racing game, as said before you could have data on one screen, the main racing on another. The secondary screen could maybe have a small (lower resolution) window with a rear view perhaps, in addition to the overhead map etc. Not unlike glancing to your left or right in the real world to look at a rear-view mirror. It doesn't have to be painting 1280x720 pixels with graphics.

Another app could be in a Battlefield game, having your first person view on one screen, and a commander-ish view on the other.

That said, filling two screens, two 720p screens, would not be beyond the beyonds for some types of game with more conservative graphical ambitions. If RSX is a 550Mhz G70, that kind of card on PC can throw out high end PC games at an equivalent resolution to two 720p screens, even with AA (yes, the 550Mhz G70 has more bandwidth..but on the plus side you're dealing with a closed box here).

 

[Niko]

I doubt the two screen support will make it to final hardware. That said, I just realized that there are two HDTVs within feet of each other at my house. How's that for a statistical anomoly?

 

[Alien Bob]

it'll hardly be used, don't be silly

 

[CamHostage]

Well, there are usually two Gran Turismos per PS system, so ... two.

 

[Zaptruder]

I doubt the two screen support will make it to final hardware. That said, I just realized that there are two HDTVs within feet of each other at my house. How's that for a statistical anomoly?

It wouldn't cost them anymore for dual screen support then the few pennies required for the extra port. Everything else is already in place just because it is.

 

[Servizio]

I thought the Armored Core games on the PS2 could output to two TVs for multiplayer arena matchs. Or maybe it still needed two PS2s.

 

[TTP]

I thought the Armored Core games on the PS2 could output to two TVs for multiplayer arena matchs. Or maybe it still needed two PS2s.

of course, unless you had the PS2 Dual Video Out Limited Edition

 

[Ghost]

Imagine these two TVs connected to a PS3:

http://www.edengaming.com/TVs 2.JPG

battleship will become a killer app on PS3.



If they keep it in (doubt it) some devs will find a use for it...and the people who can be bothered to set up two TVs in the same place will benefit.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

No, I think it actually was said in the context of game graphics on PS3. First 1080p, which I have yet to find a TV that supports (in Norway/Europe), and on top of that 120Hz.. This is going to be expensive for the tech nerd who can't live with knowing that it is possible to view the game with an even higher quality display option.

No, the whole 120hz thing was totaly miss-quoted. It was made in the context of movies. Not games.

 

[Acosta]

Worthless gimmick for me.

I don´t think developers will put much resouses on this apart of some extravaganza from Polyphony.

 

[dorio]

I always dreamed of something like this for full screen coop games on one box.

I wonder will it ever happen since most devs would want to concentrate all their rendering power to one screen. Maybe devs will offer it as an option for those who are willing to sacrifice high def altogether to play a coop game.

 

[Hyoushi]

I figure it'll be as widely used as the System Link feature on Dreamcast.

 

[SonnyBoy]

If this is even possible then it'd be a great feature for me. I get tired of having to lug my console around. It'd be great to just be able to utilize one console and have two screens. Splinter Cell co-op goodness, here I come.

 

[mrklaw]

stupid idea. Even if you have a PC monitor in your house, how often will people have one next to their main TV?


If it works, I'd like it used to pipe the same thing to two different devices - eg I can play on my HDTV or my HD projector. Saves the expense of an HDMI switcher.

 

[gofreak]

I wonder will it ever happen since most devs would want to concentrate all their rendering power to one screen.

This is true, but not every PS3 game is going to be shooting for the stars, visually. Particularly early on.

It's pretty much the same argument as for 1080p, as 2x 720p is effectively about the same resolution. You could probably sustain a current high-end PC complexity of graphics, or there abouts, at either 1080p or 2x720p - if not more in fact. Though I guess it also depends on developer willingness/laziness, and there may be more issues than simply more resolution* (I guess you'd need to be rendering to two buffers which may introduce caveats asides from shader cost..).

Scaleable graphics depending on the setup could be an interesting, an likely option - it worked well enough for splitscreen. Scaleable resolution may also be an option..Sony may allow devs a choice of less intensive resolutions for the secondary screen, for example, or even for both.

I know for sure it'd be very nice to play with 2 or 4 or 8 people out of one box on two screens. We'll see what happens, I guess it'll be first/second parties that take advantage of this stuff most.

And if not, there's always offloading "non-core" functionality to that screen. That'll probably be the most immediate benefit anyway.

* edit - actually, of course there are, but how significant they are depends on where your bound is, i guess.

 

[Forsete]

FTW!

Now thats what I'm talking about.

I hate playing Tennis games in 2 player mode when your player is positioned at the very top of the screen.

If there is a new Conflict (Conflict Desert Storm, Vietnam etc) game on PS3 I hope it supports 2 screens for CO-OP even if the graphics are downgraded.

Oh and in GT5 even when playing in GT mode, you could have your primary screen display the game but without an HUD (maybe a minimalist HUD, like RPM and KM/H). The HUD could be moved to the second screen, displaying a more detailed map of the track, detailed info about road/wheel temperature, car damage etc. and of course lap/section times.