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[scogoth]

Is it bad to leave a side panel off? my pc is in a corner and no one can see the open side (which also had the graphics card on it) and ive been using it with the side panel off so that it always allows the hot air to escape.

Thats what I'm doing now cause my PC is basically perpetually under construction. It gets really dusty but I clean it about once a week. I also live in a very dusty place.

It's still scary to me.. Because shit happens.

But do you have anything I can read up on about the hadron PSU ?

I can't find any specific review but it has a 3 year warranty and EVGA is pretty damn good when it comes to customer service.

 

[Betta Lines]

My 360 controller ain't working. I have windows 8.1. I am trying arkham city

Is it showing up in the game controllers section in Control Panel?

 

[mkenyon]

My 360 controller ain't working. I have windows 8.1. I am trying arkham city

Wired or wireless controller?

Figured I'd fill that out anyway. Me and a friend put together a list of parts for a build last night, it looks pretty sweet to me but I wanted to run it by GAF first to make sure. Object is really to just be able to play games at 1080p 60fps at the highest possible settings my budget will allow. Will be overclocking of course.

The only thing I'm unsure on is which monitor to go for. My monitor budget is sub £200 (overall budget of 1k but I'm willing to go over by a little for the sake of the monitor), but I really have no idea on monitors at all.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3rQVd

Super solid. To nitpick, I don't like the PSU choice. There's nothing else in the price range that is semi or fully modular, but there's a reason for that. This XFX is a much more solid PSU, and worth the increase in price.

You can also buy Win 8 keys from various places on the internet, including reddit.com/r/softwareswap for pretty cheap. $15-30.

My monitor knowledge outside of 120Hz/144Hz and some IPS stuff is really minimal, not sure if I can help there.

It's still scary to me.. Because shit happens.

But do you have anything I can read up on about the hadron PSU ?

To back up Scogoth, the U1 PSU (it's not proprietary) in the Hadron is a very high quality unit. It's a bit loud, but it's a damn fine unit. Any issues EVGA would immediately resolve, but there aren't any major reported issues with it.

 

[scogoth]

Hadron Air with MVI Impact and 750Ti has been one of my favourite builds. Its such a cool little machine. Swap that out for a 780Ti and you've got the most kick ass mini ITX gaming rig I can think of.

 

[mkenyon]

Hadron Air with MVI Impact and 750Ti has been one of my favourite builds. Its such a cool little machine. Swap that out for a 780Ti and you've got the most kick ass mini ITX gaming rig I can think of.

Yep. I've been waffling on asking you to sleeve one up for me for that LAN build I was talking to you about. But then I'd need to buy a motherboard and a Haswell proc

There was a deal from EVGA a couple weeks back that gave you the case, ACX mini tower cooler, and Z87 stinger discounted like $100. I should have jumped on that.

Ever since I actually saw one in person I've been a bit obsessed with it. It's soooooooo much smaller than it looks.

 

[rafbanaan]

The PSU isn't crappy, it won't break in 2 years.



The Hadron isn't really a great case for silent. The positioning of the GPU really only works with a reference cooler without dumping a ton of heat on the PSU and elsewhere in the case. The only fan options are 2 up top so either all intake or all exhaust so you don't want to run really low RPM fans because they need to generate a lot of airflow for the entire case. You can make it quiet but not silent.

Any alternatives? My 780Ti is a stock reference. I thought of a Corsair i100 - 80 to keep it quiet. Since I can't do much with the noice of the stock cooler. So a Corsair i100-80 for the CPU, my stock 780Ti and the Hadron is a no go if i want to go quiet?

500w is fine. JayZTwoCents on Youtube did a video on OC i7-3770K and GTX 680 with 12 fans got 360w used. Take note that the 780 draws more than 50w less than a stock 680. Video here

thanks!

 

[Bleepey]

Is it showing up in the game controllers section in Control Panel?

Shows up as play and charge kit. My madcatz wired controller which is kinda broken works but not the official 360 wireless controller.

 

[mkenyon]

Shows up as play and charge kit. My madcatz controller which is kinda broken works but not the official 360 controller.

Only the Wired controller works. The play and charge kits do not work.

Any alternatives? My 780Ti is a stock reference. I thought of a Corsair i100 - 80 to keep it quiet. Since I can't do much with the noice of the stock cooler. So a Corsair i100-80 for the CPU, my stock 780Ti and the Hadron is a no go if i want to go quiet?

No place to put either of those coolers in. This was designed for the case, and it works really well: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FS6O20A/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[scogoth]

Any alternatives? My 780Ti is a stock reference. I thought of a Corsair i100 - 80 to keep it quiet. Since I can't do much with the noice of the stock cooler. So a Corsair i100-80 for the CPU, my stock 780Ti and the Hadron is a no go if i want to go quiet?



thanks!

An H100i or any all-in-one liquid cooler will not fit in the Hadron. It is really, really, really small. The motherboard is only like 16mm from the top of the case so you can only get one standard 15mm fan above it. Some guy put in a custom water loop with a super slim radiator and like 7mm fans but he's crazy. Also there is pretty much 0 clearance under the motherboard as well because there is a raised support bracket behind motherboard so very few coolers work with it. I would look at the prodigy or the node 304 which are more accommodating for parts.

 

[Granadier]

Shows up as play and charge kit. My madcatz wired controller which is kinda broken works but not the official 360 wireless controller.

For wireless you will need an adapter. They are no longer made, but you can find third party versions on Amazon or eBay.

These should work with Win8 unless the 8.1 release broke something. Plug and play.

 

[kiyomi]

Figured I'd fill that out anyway. Me and a friend put together a list of parts for a build last night, it looks pretty sweet to me but I wanted to run it by GAF first to make sure. Object is really to just be able to play games at 1080p 60fps at the highest possible settings my budget will allow. Will be overclocking of course.

The only thing I'm unsure on is which monitor to go for. My monitor budget is sub £200 (overall budget of 1k but I'm willing to go over by a little for the sake of the monitor), but I really have no idea on monitors at all.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3rQVd

If you're gonna spend £150 on a 270X, I think you might as well splash another £30 and get a GTX 760 for ~£180. You could afford that by getting Windows 8 from r/Softwareswap, and you could use Flubit to discount a couple of items.

 

[DrBaalzamon]

So is memory vendor a big deal these days? Or are they all decent? I got crucial but they're really tall and not low profile so I may swap them back out. Patriot is ok? G.Skill? Thanks!

 

[molnizzle]

God damn Xpadder is awesome. I was getting frustrated with The Witcher 2's gamepad controls so I went ahead and bought it. I left everything the same, except now tapping the "back" button pulls up the map and holding it down initiates a quick save.

Best $10 I've ever spent.

 

[Sylvatica]

Hey guys,

so after lurking for a while now and @mkenyon telling me I can't really upgrade my old PC and should start with a new one, I really grew fond of a mini-ITX build.
So here is what I thought about, I kinda want it to be a budget build.

- Intel Core i5-4670K (190€)
- ASRock Z87E-ITX (114€)
- ASUS R9270 (150€)
- Kingston HyperX blu. DIMM 8GB (58€)
- BitFenix Prodigy (70€)
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (or maybe the Noctua NH-D14?) (26€)

= 608€

and probably an SSD. What do you guys think about the Crucial ones? There is an 240gb one for 92€.
I really don't know what power supply would go best here?

I really appreciate any tips/changes/etc.!

 

[Bleepey]

For wireless you will need an adapter. They are no longer made, but you can find third party versions on Amazon or eBay.

These should work with Win8 unless the 8.1 release broke something. Plug and play.

I gt it working. I plugged my 360 to my play and charge cable and use my wireless receiver.

 

[Sky Chief]

Can anyone recommend the minimum components I would want to attempt developing VR content in Unity for the Oculus Rift DK2?

 

[rafbanaan]

Only the Wired controller works. The play and charge kits do not work.

No place to put either of those coolers in. This was designed for the case, and it works really well: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FS6O20A/?tag=neogaf0e-20

An H100i or any all-in-one liquid cooler will not fit in the Hadron. It is really, really, really small. The motherboard is only like 16mm from the top of the case so you can only get one standard 15mm fan above it. Some guy put in a custom water loop with a super slim radiator and like 7mm fans but he's crazy. Also there is pretty much 0 clearance under the motherboard as well because there is a raised support bracket behind motherboard so very few coolers work with it. I would look at the prodigy or the node 304 which are more accommodating for parts.

Alright. The prodigy could I get quiet? What should I use? Corsair i100? I currently have the noctua D14, but it's to overkill + the noice

PS: Could my 780Ti / Seasonic G-650 fit in it?

 

[Ark]

Super solid. To nitpick, I don't like the PSU choice. There's nothing else in the price range that is semi or fully modular, but there's a reason for that. This XFX is a much more solid PSU, and worth the increase in price.

You can also buy Win 8 keys from various places on the internet, including reddit.com/r/softwareswap for pretty cheap. $15-30.

My monitor knowledge outside of 120Hz/144Hz and some IPS stuff is really minimal, not sure if I can help there.

I'm not seeing a difference between the PSU's other than the increase of 50 Watts?

If you're gonna spend £150 on a 270X, I think you might as well splash another £30 and get a GTX 760 for ~£180. You could afford that by getting Windows 8 from r/Softwareswap, and you could use Flubit to discount a couple of items.

Went with the 290x because I wanted to take advantage of Mantle when it comes to the new Battlefield, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect (all of which I imagine will come out in the next 12 months).

 

[mkenyon]

Hey guys,

so after lurking for a while now and @mkenyon telling me I can't really upgrade my old PC and should start with a new one, I really grew fond of a mini-ITX build.
So here is what I thought about, I kinda want it to be a budget build.



I really appreciate any tips/changes/etc.!

Check out the SFF guide, third post in this thread. There's issues with coolers fitting on certain ITX boards due to compatiblity, and I'm totally uncertain on that ASRock board. If possible, stick to the parts suggested in there. It's a pain to dig through information on some of those boards to find out if there's issues. Almost all of it is just through user experience.

Can anyone recommend the minimum components I would want to attempt developing VR content in Unity for the Oculus Rift DK2?

I am totally uncertain

Alright. The prodigy could I get quiet? What should I use? Corsair i100? I currently have the noctua D14, but it's to overkill + the noice

PS: Could my 780Ti / Seasonic G-650 fit in it?

Third post in this thread, check it out. Prodigy can fit the 780Ti and Seasonic NP.

I'm not seeing a difference between the PSU's other than the increase of 50 Watts?

It is a much much more quality unit. CX series has a number of DOA complaints and uses sub-par capacitors.

 

[Nostremitus]

Just pulled the trigger on a 240GB Intel 530 series SSD.
I'm hoping that was a good move, Amazon is selling the 240GB for around $5 cheaper than the 120GB and I've heard that Intel stress tests their SSDs to hell and back...

Also, will this ram be too tall to mount alongside a 212 EVO on an ASRock Extreme6?

These 2400MHz sticks are actually cheaper than the Ripjaw 1600MHz right now, and I'll probably under volt them to 2133 to lower the CAS. (...once I learn how to.)

Also, What does GAF say about the EVGA SuperNOVA NEX650G 80PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V/EPS12V 650W Power Supply 120-PG-0650-GR?

 

[DJSebolski]

Running out of Space on my 500 GB SSD. Should I get a 1tb Samsung Evo $454.99 @ Amazon or just get a regular WD Black 2TB hdd?

 

[rafbanaan]

Third post in this thread, check it out. Prodigy can fit the 780Ti and Seasonic NP.

.

Ow, I didn't know that existed. *feels stupid*


One more question: to go silent: Corsair i100? Any solution for the stock 780Ti or just keep it that way? Because when I cant get it silent I would just go for the Hadron build and take it with quiet instead of silent. Quiet = R4 level?

 

[mkenyon]

Ow, I didn't know that existed. *feels stupid*


One more question: to go silent: Corsair i100? Any solution for the stock 780Ti or just keep it that way? Because when I cant get it silent I would just go for the Hadron build and take it with quiet instead of silent. Quiet = R4 level?

The loudest part on your system is going to be the video card. A better cooler for the CPU won't change that. You'd need a non-reference design 780 Ti in order to get the system quiet.

As it is, you'd have to buy a case that has a good portion of sound deadening material in order to reduce the noise on the video card.

*edit*

But to answer the question directly, just about anything is going to be more quiet than that GPU. The recommended heatsinks in that post are all very quiet.

Running out of Space on my 500 GB SSD. Should I get a 1tb Samsung Evo $454.99 @ Amazon or just get a regular WD Black 2TB hdd?

Media storage/Porn? Platter drive.

Games/Applications? Then you need to decide if the pricey SSD is worth it.

 

[Celcius]

So is memory vendor a big deal these days? Or are they all decent? I got crucial but they're really tall and not low profile so I may swap them back out. Patriot is ok? G.Skill? Thanks!

Most brands are fine, it just comes down to what specs and look/style you want. My favorite memory brands are G.Skill and Corsair but I've used others as well and I'd feel comfortable buying any of the major brands.

 

[Dehumanizer]

What motherboards do you recommend to go with this config?

i7 4930K
GTX780 Ti
16GB DDR3-1866
SSD 240 GB

 

[TheD]

So I am thinking of getting a Coolermaster Sedion 120V closed loop system (to see if I can push my 2500K close to 5Ghz).
Frosty Tech's review of it puts it performing pretty well http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2744&page=5 (I will also add the fan from my Hyper 212+ to make it Push/Pull).

Is it a good choice?
I don't see anything better that is available to me for it's price of $59 AUD.

 

[mkenyon]

Hey Scogoth: http://www.overclock.net/t/1481597/case-labs-sth10

GO BIG BEFORE YOU GO SMALL BRUH

What motherboards do you recommend to go with this config?

i7 4930K
GTX780 Ti
16GB DDR3-1866
SSD 240 GB

What are your planned uses for it?

Just so you know, Haswell-E will be out in a few months. There will be a $300-400 6 core and a $500-600 8 core, as well as on DDR4.

But the major benefit of the 4930K/Socket 2011 is that it has 40 PCI-E lanes compared to 1155/1150's 16. Where that is beneficial is if you have 3 or more video cards, as they get plenty of bandwidth.

 

[Ark]

It is a much much more quality unit. CX series has a number of DOA complaints and uses sub-par capacitors.

Thanks for the heads-up. Went for the PSU you linked

Now I just need to find myself a monitor and I'll be set to order this all in the morning!

 

[rafbanaan]

The loudest part on your system is going to be the video card. A better cooler for the CPU won't change that. You'd need a non-reference design 780 Ti in order to get the system quiet.

As it is, you'd have to buy a case that has a good portion of sound deadening material in order to reduce the noise on the video card.

*edit*

But to answer the question directly, just about anything is going to be more quiet than that GPU. The recommended heatsinks in that post are all very

Ok, thanks for the help. For the moment it's my cpu cooler thats above the gpu sound.

 

[Dehumanizer]

What are your planned uses for it?

Just so you know, Haswell-E will be out in a few months. There will be a $300-400 6 core and a $500-600 8 core, as well as on DDR4.

But the major benefit of the 4930K/Socket 2011 is that it has 40 PCI-E lanes compared to 1155/1150's 16. Where that is beneficial is if you have 3 or more video cards, as they get plenty of bandwidth.

Just for games. Do you think Haswell-E will already be out in July Haswell-E?

 

[mkenyon]

Ok, thanks for the help. For the moment it's my cpu cooler thats above the gpu sound.

Yeah, and really anything is going to do fine with it. The 212 Evo runs very very quiet. You can set a max speed on the fan to 1000-1400 RPM in BIOS too, and that will provide ample cooling for a standard overclock.

Just for games. Do you think Haswell-E will already be out in July Haswell-E?

That's the rumor, supposed to be out right after Computex.

But if it's just for games, you should be looking at a 4770K instead. The 6 cores do nothing for games.

 

[VitalNerve]

So what is over locking and why do I want to do it? I was talking to a friend and he said Dude, fashion is so gay. there is no need to do it anymore. The impression I got from the OP is that it is awesome, lol.

 

[mkenyon]

So what is over locking and why do I want to do it? I was talking to a friend and he said Dude, fashion is so gay. there is no need to do it anymore. The impression I got from the OP is that it is awesome, lol.

Overclocking increases the frequency of the processor, and greatly improves performance in any game where IPC/clockspeed is important. Multiplayer games, MMOs, Unreal Engine 3 games, Blizzard games, Source Games, tons of others.

Results from benches I ran when overclocking a 3570K in 200MHz increments: http://imgur.com/a/VxaHl

The 99th percentile result, as well as number of frames over X are the most important results. In a lot of cases, it's a linear benefit. As in, increase clock speed by 20%, decrease 99th percentile frame time by 20%.

 

[VitalNerve]

Overclocking increases the frequency of the processor, and greatly improves performance in any game where IPC/clockspeed is important. Multiplayer games, MMOs, Unreal Engine 3 games, Blizzard games, Source Games, tons of others.

Results from benches I ran when overclocking a 3570K in 200MHz increments: http://imgur.com/a/VxaHl

The 99th percentile result, as well as number of frames over X are the most important results.

Lol, idk what I'm a looking at, but i trust it's good. For over clocking id want to water cool my comp right? From what I understand it is a bad idea to have use fan cooling when overclocking.

Oh and is the risk with over heating the processor and stuff as bad as people say?

 

[mkenyon]

All of the coolers in the OP are recommended based on overclocking. Something like the CM Hyper 212 or Xigmatek Gaia should bring a 4670K or 4770K to its max 24/7 overclock. Most likely around 4.1-4.3 GHz.

I'm not sure what people say that you're referring to. But, overclocking is the intended purpose of the 'K' series processors and 'Z' series motherboards. It's about as safe as safe can be, it doesn't even void the warranty.

 

[Ethical Hedonism]

just ordered my new GPU today (GTX 780)
thanks all for the help

 

[Sky Chief]

Can anyone recommend the minimum components I would want to attempt developing VR content in Unity for the Oculus Rift DK2?

Anyone?

 

[VitalNerve]

All of the coolers in the OP are recommended based on overclocking. Something like the CM Hyper 212 or Xigmatek Gaia should bring a 4670K or 4770K to its max 24/7 overclock. Most likely around 4.1-4.3 GHz.

I'm not sure what people say that you're referring to. But, overclocking is the intended purpose of the 'K' series processors and 'Z' series motherboards. It's about as safe as safe can be, it doesn't even void the warranty.

Idk what they say, just that overclocking is dangerous and never clearly explain why to me. But thank you for the reassurance, I be doing it since I'll be using a build
Posted in the OP

 

[paskowitz]

I have to say PC GAF, after years of being a console owner I never thought PC gaming would be that much better.

Now that I have my desktop, I get it. It's awesome. From doing media server stuff, to rendering videos in a flash, to doing remote tasks from my office and finally maxed out gaming it's a good life.

People need to look at making a gaming PC not like buying an expensive, large, gaming console but buying an awesome computer that is also awesome at games. It's not just gaming that is improved.

 

[T-Matt]

Got my x51 r2 in and I am very pleased with it. Dell outlet 30% last week made it too tempting to pass up. I7, 270x, sad and all the other stuff cost about what it would take to build. It is a good option for some.

 

[Overdoziz]

Anyone know a keyboard that's simple (nothing curved or anything), has brown switches and has a couple of buttons for audio and such? I'm looking for one that's not too crazy expensive. Preferably under €50 or so.

Also, does anyone know how the CM Storm Recon mouse is? Looks pretty decent for the price.

 

[Einbroch]

I've had a 2500K for two years and never overclocked it. I feel like a fool.

 

[mkenyon]

Anyone?

You'll probably have better luck in on a Unity forum. I'll do some digging tonight and see if I can find anything though.

Got my x51 r2 in and I am very pleased with it. Dell outlet 30% last week made it too tempting to pass up. I7, 270x, sad and all the other stuff cost about what it would take to build. It is a good option for some.

Those are sweet little systems, and very worth it with the discount. Awesome.

I have to say PC GAF, after years of being a console owner I never thought PC gaming would be that much better.

Now that I have my desktop, I get it. It's awesome. From doing media server stuff, to rendering videos in a flash, to doing remote tasks from my office and finally maxed out gaming it's a good life.

People need to look at making a gaming PC not like buying an expensive, large, gaming console but buying an awesome computer that is also awesome at games. It's not just gaming that is improved.

YES

Now go get a 120Hz panel.

 

[Akai__]

Anyone know a keyboard that's simple (nothing curved or anything), has brown switches and has a couple of buttons for audio and such? I'm looking for one that's not too crazy expensive. Preferably under €50 or so.

Also, does anyone know how the CM Storm Recon mouse is? Looks pretty decent for the price.

The CM Storm Recon is listed in the OP, so it's probably good. As for keyboards, you might want to ask in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458496

 

[Water]

Anyone?

Gonna depend on what you are developing, of course.

Googled and found this thread here. 9 months ago C2D + Geforce 640 hardware ran Oculus' Tuscany demo in Unity at 60fps on the first devkit. Based on that, any current Intel processor and e.g. a 750 Ti would surely run that demo at the 75fps cap on the current devkit. If you aren't developing anything graphically intensive, that might be enough for the GPU. Wouldn't hurt to get more though.

If you have the money, go up to a 4670K or 4770K CPU to get more single-threaded speed. While Unity isn't very threaded, the extra cores and the 4770K's cache do help make compiles faster.

 

[Seagoon]

I've recently upgraded my system thanks to some advice from this thread. I've added a GTX 780 SC, 128GB SSD and a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo to my existing 2500K and P8P67 Pro. Everything is running well but I'd like to look into overclocking my CPU to squeeze a bit more performance out of it.

Currently I am running at stock speeds and from the reading around overclocking I have done, using offset to overclock is a more efficient way of doing things in respect to chip longevity and power usage.

The only modifications I have made to my BIOS would be around defining my RAM settings 1600MHz @ 1.65v as per the manufacturers specifications.

I'd be looking at a ~4.5Ghz overclock, for this am I best to set offset voltage to zero and then modify the offset +/- until I get it to a low voltage (say around 1.25v) under load? What is the best way of simulating load? What temps should be my cut off?

I apologise if this has been covered already at length, I'm struggling to find a 2500K specific guide that details things from the bare basics. Most guides mention to use offset voltages, but none seem to detail the process that well.

 

[Overdoziz]

The CM Storm Recon is listed in the OP, so it's probably good. As for keyboards, you might want to ask in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458496

Thanks for the link.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

So I got my RMA replacement from Corsair for the H80i today. I was primarily using it to pull air from the case and use it as an exhaust but now I see its supposed to be used as an intake and blow hot air into the case. I know it'll make the CPU cooler but does that heat up the components? I'm using one 140mm fan as an exhaust at the top.

 

[unknownhero]

so, what's the best controller to play on the pc with? I would like your guys opinions on that matter.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

so, what's the best controller to play on the pc with? I would like your guys opinions on that matter.

Just get a wired X360 controller.

The XBO pad might be compatible later this year and I'll think about upgrading to that, but for now the X360 pad is your best bed for simplicity, comfort and widespread compatibility.