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I was talking with an African today...

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whytemyke

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...and he brought up a really good point. He was saying how America rules the world, and me and this other guy were like "yeah, we know", but the African guy said, "No, I mean really.... think about it."

He went on to describe how if you want your country to have a military, you're basically not getting arms without American consent. And if you do happen to get arms without our consent, most likely they were built by our rivals, who built them to use against American arms in the first place. And you're not going to have anybody run the military unless they've got some modelling after the 'best' military in the world, the US.

He went further than that. America has all the schools, and if you want to do something to help your country, you've got to go to school. Where do you go? America... we'll even kick in some nice scholarships to make it easier for you to go to school here. Why? Because once you go back to bumfuck, Africa, you may be African and working for the African government of whatever country you're in, but you're doing it as an American student, passing American ideologies and American thought onto others. If you want to succeed in international politics, basically you've either gone to a college in the US, UK or France.

But once he described how American colleges are really taking over, it was just amazing. Like, I knew we had a power over the world, but to hear him describe it really, basically, just put me in a sense of awe over the kind of people that thought this kind of shit up. What amazing planning... even when China supercedes our market, where are these people going to go to study money? China, with a pisspoor human rights record, or the UK/US/France? Of course they'll go with a Western country. So even Chinese economics is going to be based on an Anglo-American model.

The whole scheme of it all really just caught me off guard. It's such a work of art that I just couldn't fathom it. Like, no wonder so many countries frickin' hate us... it's not just our culture drowning them out, but if they want to do anything to help themselves, they basically have to become American in one form or another. Pretty incredible, isn't it?
 
If you look at who's the top student in a given department at any major university in the US... they're probably not American.

I'd bet on it.

I'd lose sometimes... but in the long run I'd be up some monies.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
Considering the technology, transportation and information systems they had access to, and the direct nature of their control, rather than the implied nature of the American empire's control. Also consider the vast age of the Roman empire.

The only control method from America equaling that of the Romans is cultural control\ influence.
 
whytemyke said:
...and he brought up a really good point. He was saying how America rules the world, and me and this other guy were like "yeah, we know", but the African guy said, "No, I mean really.... think about it."

He went on to describe how if you want your country to have a military, you're basically not getting arms without American consent. And if you do happen to get arms without our consent, most likely they were built by our rivals, who built them to use against American arms in the first place. And you're not going to have anybody run the military unless they've got some modelling after the 'best' military in the world, the US.

He went further than that. America has all the schools, and if you want to do something to help your country, you've got to go to school. Where do you go? America... we'll even kick in some nice scholarships to make it easier for you to go to school here. Why? Because once you go back to bumfuck, Africa, you may be African and working for the African government of whatever country you're in, but you're doing it as an American student, passing American ideologies and American thought onto others. If you want to succeed in international politics, basically you've either gone to a college in the US, UK or France.

But once he described how American colleges are really taking over, it was just amazing. Like, I knew we had a power over the world, but to hear him describe it really, basically, just put me in a sense of awe over the kind of people that thought this kind of shit up. What amazing planning... even when China supercedes our market, where are these people going to go to study money? China, with a pisspoor human rights record, or the UK/US/France? Of course they'll go with a Western country. So even Chinese economics is going to be based on an Anglo-American model.

The whole scheme of it all really just caught me off guard. It's such a work of art that I just couldn't fathom it. Like, no wonder so many countries frickin' hate us... it's not just our culture drowning them out, but if they want to do anything to help themselves, they basically have to become American in one form or another. Pretty incredible, isn't it?

This isn't all that surprising really, nor is it entirely true in itself as noted somewhat in the original post there. I'm a little unclear whether you're referring to America specifically or Western culture on the whole, as despite America's influence, it's entirely possible to sidestep it and Western culture as well. It's just obscenely hard.

btw, the new issue of The Economist has a great in-depth feature about universities and, in part, about the superiority of the American university system over the European and international counterparts. For the record, according to that same issue, 17 of the top 20 universities worldwide are in America, with the exceptions of Cambridge, Oxford, and the University of Tokyo.
 
King Jippo said:
fuck that last poster's nerdy answer. Rome was obviously superior because homosexrapeorgies were cool as ice and no Hiv!! Yeah.
... you DO propose an interesting point, :lol

I don't know. It's just that overall, as an American, I never really stopped to consider how we've permeated the world on sooo many levels. I knew we had the whole military superpower, and even a bit of culture and economy to go with it, but the way the guy was describing things, it made it seem almost impossible to do ANYTHING in this world, even if it's just for your own country, without involving the USA, and that's pretty fuckin amazing.

I do think I'd place the American dominance above the Roman one, if for only one reason: indirect control. The Romans had to expend tons of military resources trying to ascertain every little piece of land. Someone acted up, they'd get the 4th Legion riding into their backyard to fuck them up. Today, America just goes to the UN building, hashes it out for a day or two with the Security Council, and a resolution is passed to put sanctions on someone.

We really are some smart motherfuckazzz, heh. I just wish we'd use more of it for the good of mankind (Christ, we put a ROBOT onto MARS that could do detailed geographical research!) than for weapons and shit like that.
 
"I don't know. It's just that overall, as an American, I never really stopped to consider how we've permeated the world on sooo many levels."

McDonalds and massive corporations that outsource to third-world countries!! Yay America!!

:)
 
Some of what you say is true, and some less so.

I should point out before posting this that I think you guys have a lot to be proud of, so any negative points I make are not intended to offend.

Cultural:

TV around the world is full (not to the brim, thank fuck) of American sitcoms.
Hollywood dominates the movie industry, although other nations have significant industries as well.
In fashion, clothing, music etc. USA is extremely influential.
American based mega corporations such as McDonalds are indeed a familiar sight in most developed nations.

I should point out though that most countries have their own slant on even the most USA centric cultural phenomena.

We are not all the same.

USA is not unique in this influence. Generally, with improved communication and transport we are slowly globalizing.

Think about that next time you buy a kebab.

Military:

USA does indeed have the biggest and highest funded military. Taking that into account it's amazing how they fail to cleanly finish any military task. I'm not mocking but Vietnam and now Iraq should surely be a bit embarrassing. These guys don't even have air forces.

I'm constantly amazed when I see internet forum posters saying things like "why don't we just leave 'em smokin' like we did with the others".

What others? You've never won anything easily.

The point I think that is often overlooked is that USA is the single most powerful country, but not by the kind of margin that Americans would like to think.

No sane American would actually risk some of the aggressive, gung-ho ideas I see bandied about on the 'net.

To use internet terminology...

USA Military > any other single countries military (not necessarily by enough to make "invasion" a feasible plan).
USA Military <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< other countries military combined.

Empire:

Um, what empire?

Until the two world wars the British Empire was the largest ever, although the Roman Empire may (or may not) have been larger based on percentage of the "known" world.

Also see Ottoman empire etc etc.

Anyway, sorry if that was too long and boring.
 
Drozmight said:
If you look at who's the top student in a given department at any major university in the US... they're probably not American.

I'd bet on it.

I'd lose sometimes... but in the long run I'd be up some monies.

Well, of course - America is only one of hundreds of countries out there. As much as we recruit talent from abroad this should be no surprise to anyone.
 
King Jippo said:
fuck that last poster's nerdy answer. Rome was obviously superior because homosexrapeorgies were cool as ice and no Hiv!! Yeah.

The Romans actually didn't like homosexuality. They thought it was unclean! You're thinking of the Greeks.
 
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