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Razoric

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Thinking about taking the plunge and buying an mp3 player... a couple questions though:

1) Can the IPod be used to transfer normal computer data from one computer to another? Like pictures and whatnot.... and does this require extra software to be installed on each computer or do the OS autodetect the ipod?

2) Also, does using the ipod as a music player / data harddrive cause potential problems? IE corrupting the harddrive?

3) What is the best reasonably priced FM transmitter to get for the iPod?

4) How is the sound quality of an iPod... like if I wanted to hook it up to some good speakers.

5) Any iPod haters want to sell me on a different mp3 player or convince me why I shouldnt go with this one? (thinkin the 20 GB model) Almost every review I've read about iPod has been amazing whereas every other mp3 had good - mediocre reviews.

Thanks all.
 
1) yes, it can; yes it will be automatically detected
2) not that I know of...?
3) don't listen to the radio (i have an iPod...!) so I can't help you there
4) i think it rawks, personally... but i've heard people complain that it lacks a powerful amplifier.
5) just get the fucking iPod dude :)
 

Anthropic

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1) Can the IPod be used to transfer normal computer data from one computer to another? Like pictures and whatnot.... and does this require extra software to be installed on each computer or do the OS autodetect the ipod?

All you have to do is set the iPod for Disk Use in the iPod Options in iTunes and it will show up as an external HD on any machine.

I have heard horror stories where iPod owners who had their iPods set to autosync had all of their music erased when they synced to another computer with iTunes...So, you may want to consider manual syncing.

2) Also, does using the ipod as a music player / data harddrive cause potential problems? IE corrupting the harddrive?

It does tend to get hot after I've transfered a lot of data. I have heard that early Mac iPod users had problems with overheating when they booted off of their iPod and were using it for the swap file and such. I've never tried it, but maybe you'd have problems if you were playing a movie off of it for an hour. However, if you just want a big sneaker-net drive, iPod should be fine.

4) How is the sound quality of an iPod... like if I wanted to hook it up to some good speakers.

The dock has line out, so you'd probably want to use that with good speakers. With the 20GB iPod, you have to buy the dock seperately.
 

Razoric

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Saint Cornelius said:
3) don't listen to the radio (i have an iPod...!) so I can't help you there

Oh no no I mean so I can listen to the ipod music while in my car... What are those called? Liek you set your radio to a frequency and you'll hear your ipod music.


Oh and thanks for the info thus far. :)
 
1) See above
2) No just be wary about the hardrive spin problem when you are using large audio files (see iPod Lounge)
3) See above
4) You need to purchase a dock/sik din etc for a line-out for your speakers etc.
iPod is reputed to have a flat or more natural sound (with a comparitevly(sp?) lower power output). Other players have a more proccessed/hi-fi sound.
5) If a built-in line out and fm tuner are *really* important to you look at the iRiver H-120 - you would not need to purchase any other add-ons.

Here this is a resource you might find useful link

Edit: it's called the iTrip
 
oh yeah, the iTrip... yeah those are supposedly pretty cool, but I don't have one. I just use a cassette adapter in the car into the headphone jack and voila, instant iPod action!
 

Razoric

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Oh another question, I hear that the new version is the 4Gen ipod and one is Apple and one is HP. What is the difference? Which 20G iPod should I get?
 

Particle Physicist

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Razoric said:
Oh another question, I hear that the new version is the 4Gen ipod and one is Apple and one is HP. What is the difference? Which 20G iPod should I get?


no difference other than the HP one is preformatted for PC while apple for macs.. but you can reformat the drives whichever way you want anyway.


Fresh Prince said:
2) No just be wary about the hardrive spin problem when you are using large audio files (see iPod Lounge)

what problem? i cant seem to find anything on this at ipod lounge.
 

iapetus

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Look at the iRiver before buying. Upgradeable software, and the model I was looking at had a built-in FM receiver for less than the equivalent sized iPod. I've heard nothing but good things about them.
 
1)Yes, you can easily transfer files, via Firewire or USB2.0, on and off the iPod. You have to set the iPod to "drive mode" before you can do this; you can change this setting in iTunes. The iPod gets recognized as a standard removable drive. Be sure to unmount the iPod before disconnecting, this can be done via iTunes or simply Windows' own "Safely Remove Hardware" util that will pop up in your sys tray when the ipod is connected.

2)I reckon that the iPod is as suceptable to data corruption as any hard drive, especially those in FAT32 mode as opposed to NTFS (did they ever switch the NTFS?). So that is to say, don't worry about it.

When I first came down to Mississippi, before I had my PC shipped to me, my 2nd Gen iPod did double duty as a music player while I did house repair (with no file backups, mind you) and a portable drive storing all my "important data." It got dirty and beat up, and it never gave me one lick of trouble. Not one.

if anything did go wrong on the hard drive, the iPod comes with utilities to fix it. But it's just safer to have your music backuped up someplace else anyway.

3) I don't know about FM transmitters past the first iTrip, which didn't work for me. I was close to Cincinnati when i used the iTrip and I couldn't find a single chaneel to transmit to without some static. I was told that it was due to my proximity to so many braodcast towers.

Check iPodlounge for all periphrial reviews.

4) I'm not an audiophile, I don't really care about minute sound quality differences. Some people say the iPod has great SQ, some say it sucks. Screw 'em both. The bitrate of your library is going to matter more than if the iPod sounds better than the iRiver.

If you want to output to speakers, I recommend picking up the iPod dock. It has a straight line out for a mini jack, and you'll probably use the AC power with it, instead of powering the speakers off the iPod battery. Though I don't know if the line out is powered by the wall or the iPod, the wall just makes more sense.


5) Right before I bought my second iPod, a 4th Gen, I really looked at other players, namely iRiver. I was set to drop over $300 on a player, so the Creative Labs and Dell other low priced shit I didn't even bother with.

I realized that since I had come to Mississppi, I had only listened to around 1gb of my 9gb music collection, just the same stuff over and over. Therefore I really looked at one of the iRiver flash ram drives, which would be much smaller, much cheaper, and the perfect size to hold the music that I acutally listened to. I dropped this idea as soon as I learned that they run on standard AA alkaline batteries. This is the year 2000, or some shit, I am through changing batteries on devices, other than a remote.

So I turned to the standard hard drive based iRivers, which where a little bit more expensive, but came with an awesome display screen remote that I would have paid extra for if I got an iPod anyway, and the Apple remote has no screen. Also the best iRivers have color screens, meaning that i could not only store my "important data" on it, but I could also look at it away from home if needed... and sometimes that's needed. They also threw some ather bells and whistles into the iRiver line, flash ram models included, like built in FM doodads (transmitters?) and voice recording shit.

What made me write off the larger iRivers was that they used USB2.0 to trnasfer data, but they needed a seperate AC power jack to charge. Fuck that. This is the year 2000 and I've already owned an iPod for nearly two years. I'm not going to take a step back and use two wires to manage and power my player. My PC is so pimped ut with Firewire, sweet IEEE1394, i-Link for Sony heads; I got 2 up front and two inna back. I love Firewire. I want to power my device and transfer data with the same cable. Far as I know, only the iPod does that.

So you see, what kept me from buying the iRiver line, and several other brands, I assume, was not sound quality, but connectivty. You can't top the iPod's connectivity


6) The Apple and HP models are exactly the same, except the HP models say HP on them and don't come Mac formatted. You can get Apple iPods formatted for PC or Mac out of the box, and even if that last statement is a lie, the Apple software, which you can download if need be, can do it so quick you won't notice.


7) The sound issue. The deal is that a lot of people on iPodlounge have found that after the iPod accesses it's hard drive, a few seconds of spinning can be heard through the headphones. The reason this is more prevelant with larger files is that the smaller your mp3s are, the more the iPod can cache and the less it has to spin the hard drive back up. but if you don't have the defect, you don't have the defect. I didn't have the defect. I bought my iPod at Best buy, with a replacement plan, so if I did have the defect, I was assured a replacement until I got one that worked.


8) i'm still talking. The humorus thing about the ipod is that it is more expensive than most other players, and much more durable that likely all of the others. The ipod does not need protection, it is a tank. However, it is just so damn beautiful, with those smooth lines and mirror finish, that many users, myself strenuously included, insist on having an additional case to protect the iPod's surface, which is itself protecting the gear inside. Somewhat foolish. I don't hear about iRiver flunkies blowing $60 on a hard case.

Again the lounge can help you as if helped me when shopping for cases. I use the Trendy Geek iShield which puts an almost transparent layer of film over the metal back, sides, and bottom of the iPod, as well as the screen. So even if my ipod is out side of it's cases (<--yeah, that was plural) it has a full time layer of protection, against scratches and fingerprints, on the areas that show it most. The iShield is cheap and dock compatible, which you will find is a very rare thing among iPod cases.

I currently use 2 cases, one the Matias iPod armor, which makes my 4th Gen thicker than my 2nd Gen and looks like a 3rd Gen, but is made of metal. It really protects the ipod when closed and hugs it tight from falling when open. $60 product but it's the best peace of mind you can buy for your iPod, if you need it.

I also use a Lajo silicon skin. This skin retain the form factor of the iPod while giving it a soft skin all over. There's so many different versions, I refused the moels which flip open, for dock access, and insisted on one that covered the wheel, the wheel is still usable. They have screen protectors too, but apparently I didn't order one, not like I need another. One bad thing about the Lajos, and all silicon cases is that they are magnetic to pocket fuzz.

In time I'll get a few more Lajos (glow version stocked the second my clear case shipped), a Showcase hard case, and at least one silicon wheel protector. With the dock, extra cables, remote, and cases I have bought and will buy, I'll match my iPod's price in accessories easy. People with iRivers don't do that.


9) Why is there a new iPod thread everyday? Why don't you just PM me? I've used so much iPod software and pored over so many iPod cases that it'd have to be faster that way. I mean, I'm going to come into every iPod thread I see anyway.
 

Timbuktu

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Ok, someone has to say this. For anyone thinking of getting an iPod, just be aware that there will be a Limited Edition U2 black iPod coming a a week or so and there may be a new model as well.
 

Jonnyram

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So, I just joined the iPod club with my iPod mini purchase today. I plugged it in at work and transferred a few albums to it. Then brought it home, installed drivers, plugged in and *poof* everything gone.

Is this a one-off because I hadn't used it on this PC before, or is it going to do this everytime I use it on a computer that it wasn't connected to last time I uploaded something? Are there any workarounds? I have two PCs at home and a PC + Mac at work, so I'm going to have to find a way around this somehow. Plus I've got music from the iTunes store at work that I want to bring home because I can't download it again :(
 
Diablos said:
The iPod will be doomed whenever 20 gigs of flash memory is affordable.

That's assuming Apple is retarded and won't put that 20 GB flash card in the iPod (though by the time 20 GB of flash is afforable, it will probably be the iPod Mini, and the HD players will be up to like 200 GB or something crazy).
 
If you only want to listen to about 1 Gig of music at any time, consider the Rio Nitrus. It plays Mp3/wma files, and has a litium ion battery good for 16 hours. It has a micro hard drive which is 1.5 GB. More like 1.3 as they count 1 gig=1 billion bytes, which isn't the case.

Also, it's small as hell, a deck of cards is bigger. I found the sound quality is good, and transferring files on a USB 1 connection takes about a minute an album, fast for me. I does support USB 2, but my computer's motherboard doesn't have it.

I got mine for $213 Canadian, and on the website, it lists for about $170 US, which is about the same as a 256 MB flash player I believe. And those players usually take batteries.

If I wanted to spend way more money on my MP3 player, I definately consider the iRiver over the iPod. I really wish the Nitrus had ogg support, but I heard Rio might release a firmware upgrade that would allow this feature.

The suckiest feature, I think is that the battery is non replaceable, so after 3 yrs, unless I can ship the player to the manufacture, or get some shady side business to change batteries, I'll have to buy new one. I'm hoping in that time I can find a Nitrus equivalent at $99 though.
 

Dilbert

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Jonnyram said:
So, I just joined the iPod club with my iPod mini purchase today. I plugged it in at work and transferred a few albums to it. Then brought it home, installed drivers, plugged in and *poof* everything gone.

Is this a one-off because I hadn't used it on this PC before, or is it going to do this everytime I use it on a computer that it wasn't connected to last time I uploaded something? Are there any workarounds? I have two PCs at home and a PC + Mac at work, so I'm going to have to find a way around this somehow. Plus I've got music from the iTunes store at work that I want to bring home because I can't download it again :(
When it's set to auto-sync with iTunes, it will wipe out data exactly the way that you described. The general idea is to set everything to manual sync, (optionally) use some third-party utilities to move data between the computers, and then pick one computer to be the primary one. Also, you need to keep in mind that you can't sync the same iPod with a PC and a Mac simultaneously -- you need to pick one system and stick with it.

What I'd recommend...and since this is off the top of my head, someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Set up iTunes at work so that the iPod is being used as an external drive and so that it will use manual sync.

2) Copy your music files from work onto the iPod using drag-and-drop. You will not be able to play them, since you are adding them to the iPod as DATA. (Alternately, you could just burn a couple of CD-Rs with your music.)

(Repeat steps 1 and 2 for all computers on which you have music.)

3) Set up iTunes at home so that it is authorized to play the downloaded AAC files from the iTMS (I believe you can authorize more than one PC, right?), so that disk use is enabled, and so that your iPod will auto-sync.

4) Drag the music files from work (and other sources) off the iPod and into the directories where you keep your music on the home PC. (Or, copy them off the CD-Rs.)

5) Add those files to your iPod library and auto-sync.

If all of that works, you should now have ALL of your music on your home PC, and on your iPod.
 

Nester

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I don't use my iPod nearly enough. I got a 20gig 4G model with an iTrip and it just sits on my desk.

Before I put it up on Ebay, anyone want to claim it for $265 for everything shipped? I've maybe used it a total of 10 hours. I still have the box and all accessories.
 

Particle Physicist

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according to OfferCentric (the free ipod people) these are the differences between an HP ipod and an Apple::


* The hPod comes pre-formatted FAT32 for Windows.
* The packaging and box is different.
* The installation CD contains only Windows software.
* The instruction manual is Windows-centric.
* The hPod comes with HP's support, not AppleCare.
* The hPod has the HP logo laser-etched on the back above the Apple logo.
* The hPod doesn't have the static problem when playing large files.
* The hPods are manufactured by HP, not Apple.
 

tedtropy

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quadriplegicjon said:
according to OfferCentric (the free ipod people) these are the differences between an HP ipod and an Apple::


* The hPod comes pre-formatted FAT32 for Windows.
* The packaging and box is different.
* The installation CD contains only Windows software.
* The instruction manual is Windows-centric.
* The hPod comes with HP's support, not AppleCare.
* The hPod has the HP logo laser-etched on the back above the Apple logo.
* The hPod doesn't have the static problem when playing large files.
* The hPods are manufactured by HP, not Apple.

Oh, and you forgot, all Apple iPods are personally blessed by Steve Jobs before being patted on the their little digital backs and told "go get 'em, tiger". :D
 
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