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[AirBrian]

BOSTON - A highly touted microprocessor designed to provide hyper-realistic imagery in video games is making its first appearance in a computing system made by the chip's leading designer, International Business Machines Corp.

IBM announced Wednesday that it would incorporate the "Cell" chip into a new line of servers for defense, medical imagery, entertainment and other applications that require sterling graphics and intensive computing.

Cell is slated to run Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).'s upcoming PlayStation 3 video game system and high-definition TVs from Sony and Toshiba Corp.

Sony and Toshiba co-designed Cell with IBM; last month the three companies renewed the partnership for another five years.

While Cell's performance is highly regarded, there are skeptics who say it remains to be seen whether the chip will see enough broader uses to truly count as revolutionary. Before Wednesday's announcement, Cell's main assignment outside of Sony and Toshiba had been specialized medical and defense computers made by Mercury Computing Systems Inc.

Now IBM will use Cell in a line of "blade" servers, so named because they are relatively thin chunks of circuitry designed to perform specialized computing tasks. Because they are smaller than traditional servers, IBM envisions Cell-based blades seeing action in a wide range of settings, possibly including military vehicles.

"It's not going to be a general purpose computer," said Tim Dougherty, IBM's director of blade center strategy. "But for certain things, it is incredible, and it will make orders of magnitude difference."

Cell's fate will be closely watched because Big Blue is anxious to find ways to spur revenue growth.

Cell is touted as a game-changing "supercomputer on a chip" because of its unusual design, which includes an IBM Power processor at its core, helped by eight additional processors working together.

But for the chip to gain wide acceptance, IBM needs to spur outside programmers to write software that takes advantage of Cell's prowess. That could prove a tougher task than usual because Cell is architected so differently from other chips.

IBM hopes this summer's release of the Cell-based servers helps kickstart work by third-party programmers. Eventually IBM is likely to deploy Cell in other kinds of hardware, from supercomputers to data storage systems.

In turn, that could inspire other customers to follow Mercury's lead and try to tweak Cell for their own specialized purposes.

For example, defense contractor Raytheon Co. is exploring whether it can use Cell to dramatically improve the performance of sensor networks. Raytheon's chief technology officer, Peter Pao, called Cell "a very exciting technology" with "a lot of promise," but said Raytheon is still evaluating how to rewrite software and redesign systems to work with Cell.

"The most important thing is for this chip to have a large market with a large user base, because with that, IBM will have the financial incentive to continue to improve this product," Pao said. "We need that base."

One knock against Cell could be that it produces a relatively high amount of heat, which could keep it out of mobile devices.

Blade servers can be particularly sensitive to heat because they pack so much circuitry into a small space. However, Dougherty said the new servers are designed in such a way to get around the heat problem.

Dave Turek, IBM's vice president of "deep computing," noted that while Cell's current setup stems from the intense demands of video game systems, the chip's general architecture is designed to be modified for different industries' applications. In other words, Turek said, future iterations easily can be made cooler.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060208/ap_on_hi_te/ibm_cell_chip

 

[Unison]

IBM Co-developed it.

This news is shocking.

 

[Deg]

IBM Co-developed it.

This news is shocking.

developing and adopting is a different matter.

 

[kaching]

This news is shocking.

Maybe not to you, but certainly to some who have been claiming the Cell chip would be no more widely adopted than Sony's Emotion Engine

 

[MassiveAttack]

One knock against Cell could be that it produces a relatively high amount of heat, which could keep it out of mobile devices.

Blade servers can be particularly sensitive to heat because they pack so much circuitry into a small space. However, Dougherty said the new servers are designed in such a way to get around the heat problem.

VENTS!!

 

[ThirdEye]

Good news. Now when can we expect BladeCenter with Xbox 360 / Rev CPU?

 

[jett]

deadmeat am suiciding(hopefully)

 

[Nightbringer]

Oh well, IBM is making hype of the Cell because they cannot put the Power5+ at 3Ghz and they haven´t ready the Power6.

Cell hype= real hype? In videogames perhaps, but in mainframe market, pfffff, hahahahahaha.

 

[MassiveAttack]

Oh well, IBM is making hype of the Cell because they cannot put the Power5+ at 3Ghz and they haven´t ready the Power6.

Cell hype= real hype? In videogames perhaps, but in mainframe market, pfffff, hahahahahaha.

You obviously haven't seen the Fishkill fab. After such a monumental investment, how could they NOT use it?

 

[Tenacious-V]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it. They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process). It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.

IBM POWER6 Details Unveiled

Pipelined cache, SOI and 8-way associative L1 cache... the POWER6 is a speed demon and an oddball

Yesterday at ISSCC, IBM hinted a little bit at its next generation POWER6 CPU. The processor is the first from IBM to feature Silicon-On-Insulator (SOI) technology used by AMD since 2004. IBM representatives also claimed the new chip will use a 65nm process running at an astounding 5GHz.

IBM previously revealed that the CPU would feature an 8-way associative 64KB L1 data cache. POWER5 also utilizes an associative L1 data cache. Intel processor architectures opt for direct cache mapping on the L1 cache instead. POWER6 is also unique in the fact that it will use a pipelined cache. This new design allows for two simultaneous reads from the cache per clock cycle or a single write.

IBM has previously revealed that POWER6 will be a 4-issue CPU, meaning four instructions can actually be sent down the CPU pipeline at once. IBM officials did not comment on simultaneous multi-threading (SMT), but POWER5 utilizes two logical threads per core in its current design. There does not seem to be any indication this will change for POWER6.

The POWER6 processor has been under development at IBM (at least publicly) since 2002 as part of the "eCLipz" processor family. The goal of the project has always been to unify all of IBM's RISC architectures under a single chip, thus eliminating the need for a separate architecture on the "i," "p," and "z" series servers.

Expect to see the POWER6 chip in servers in 12-18 months.

It really does look to me as if IBM just used the partnership with Sony and Toshiba to further fund and develop their Power6 as their full on Server replacement. Cell will most likely only be very short term and will be replaced as soon as these chips are ready to go.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=670

 

[Piper Az]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it. They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process). It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.



It really does look to me as if IBM just used the partnership with Sony and Toshiba to further fund and develop their Power6 as their full on Server replacement. Cell will most likely only be very short term and will be replaced as soon as this chips ready to go.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=670

Bu...bu..bu..but, Sony is the Awesome! and Cell is the Awesome!! Awesome is the Sony!!@@

 

[Marathon]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it.

Power6 and Cell target different computing tasks/markets. They will coexist.

 

[xaosslug]

But it's Sony's Emotion Engine 2! LIES! ::sob::

[/xbot]

 

[kaching]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it. They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process). It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.

Cell is an architecture, not a single chip design, and it uses a Power core. So what about IBM releasing a newer iteration of the Power architecture suggests that they won't end up using that architecture for the Power core in a future iteration of the Cell architecture?

 

[monkeymagic]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it. They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process). It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.

Before IBM adopts CELL:

XBots: CELL sucks, IBM won't use it, another EE LOLz

After IBM adopts CELL

XBots: CELL is just a stop-gap, another EE LOLz


Give it up already :lol

 

[Tenacious-V]

Power6 and Cell target different computing tasks/markets. They will coexist.

The goal of the project has always been to unify all of IBM's RISC architectures under a single chip, thus eliminating the need for a separate architecture on the "i," "p," and "z" series servers.

Power6 will be the full fledged replacement, trust me. Cell is used now, but it'll be replaced just as quickly.

 

[Tenacious-V]

monkeymagic, don't be a dumbass.

 

[SonnyBoy]

The guy said that CELL excels at specific tasks so for those things it'd be better to usethe cell. CELL was never meant to be the end all to CPUs.

 

[MassiveAttack]

monkeymagic, don't be a dumbass.

With that avatar, no one is paying attention to anything you're saying.

 

[sonycowboy]

Power6 will be the full fledged replacement, trust me. Cell is used now, but it'll be replaced just as quickly.

Completely different performance and markets. Power 6 & Cell have different roadmaps that extend out for years, while attempting to leverage design aspects for both.

Cell will be around quite a while.

 

[Tenacious-V]

With that avatar, no one is paying attention to anything you're saying.

I end up hardly paying attention to what I say when I see my avatar! :lol :lol

 

[Eric_S]

Power6 and Cell target different computing tasks/markets. They will coexist.

Cell is really more of a SoC architecture then a specific chip, there is nothing stopping IBM from adding SPEs and EIB and perhaps a XDR2 memcontroller to a pair of POWER6 cores and make a Cell out of that.

With the proper licensing (and modifying of how the core talks to the rest of the chip) you could in theory see a cell built around PA Semi's PA6T core. Or one from Freescale built around their e600 or upcomming e700 cores, for example.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Completely different performance and markets. Power 6 & Cell have different roadmaps that extend out for years, while attempting to leverage design aspects for both.

Cell will be around quite a while.

Do you have a link to these separate roadmaps?

 

[Zaptruder]

Power6 will be the full fledged replacement, trust me. Cell is used now, but it'll be replaced just as quickly.

Why should we trust you?

I mean... apart from repeated assurances without substance, how do you deal with the fact that CELL is built for multi-chip extensibility, and that it excels at specific types of tasks over a more standard processor?

Can you show us how the Power6 will be a total replacement for CELL in computing needs?

Or are your claims simply more partisan hyperbole?

 

[Vince]

IBM Co-developed it.

This news is shocking.

IBM "co-developed" the XCPU too....

 

[kaching]

Uh, Tenacious-V, this quote:

The goal of the project has always been to unify all of IBM's RISC architectures under a single chip, thus eliminating the need for a separate architecture on the "i," "p," and "z" series servers.

Has nothing to do with this newly announced line of cell-based server blade. The i, p and z server series are pre-existing and that's all they're talking about in that quote.

 

[Zaptruder]

IBM "co-developed" the XCPU too....

Infact, IBM codeveloped all the next gen console CPUs.

... But there's only one in which they're remotely intresting in using, outside of the gaming arena.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

From everything I have read, IBM has big plans for Cell in a variety of applications.

 

[Slaaaaabs]

Infact, IBM codeveloped all the next gen console CPUs.

... But there's only one in which they're remotely intresting in using, outside of the gaming arena.

Unsurprisingly it was also the only one designed for uses outside the gaming arena, which isn't necessarily an overly positive thing.

 

[sonycowboy]

Infact, IBM codeveloped all the next gen console CPUs.

... But there's only one in which they're remotely intresting in using, outside of the gaming arena.

There's a CELL article out there with an interview with IBM folks and it's actually a bit dismissive of the XCPU as yet another attempt at CPU design trying to go with latching together standard processors to get performance gains as opposed to the fundamental concepts that they've put forward in the CELL design.

The two folks I read, were pretty damn proud and almost gleeful when comparing the CELL to any other processor out there.

 

[Eric_S]

Some nice reading^H^H^Speculation on the POWER6, if you're interested in the subject.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Uh, Tenacious-V, this quote:

Has nothing to do with this newly announced line of cell-based server blade. The i, p and z server series are pre-existing and that's all they're talking about in that quote.

gotcha.

What's the notation the cell-blade servers going under?

 

[Vince]

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it. They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process). It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.

It really does look to me as if IBM just used the partnership with Sony and Toshiba to further fund and develop their Power6 as their full on Server replacement. Cell will most likely only be very short term and will be replaced as soon as these chips are ready to go.

Freebase much? Power6 and Cell are orthogonal to IBM; they have never had a single IC solution across the entire series of servers; they have attempted to converge the i, p, and z series before (and again with Power6), but they offer more than that: IBM Products. Currently they offer Power5, PPC970, Pentium4, PentiumD, Xeon, Itanium2 or Opteron-based servers depending on your tasking.

It really does look to me that you're just not intelligent.

PS. The article you posted is incorrect as Cell is built on a PD-SOI process (just like AMD and Power4!) and is most decidely in mass production; well before Power6.

 

[Zaptruder]

Unsurprisingly it was also the only one designed for uses outside the gaming arena, which isn't necessarily an overly positive thing.

From what we've seen so far, it's not proving to be a negative thing by any means. Not by a long shot.

I guess what you're implying is that if they're developing it for uses other than gaming, its gaming uses are likely to suffer?

Or maybe it could be the case that, the elements that are important for creating that next gen gaming experience are also important for creating that niche or the roles in which the CELL will be useful?

 

[Tenacious-V]

Freebase much? Power6 and Cell are orthogonal to IBM; they have never had a single IC solution across the entire series of servers. Currently they offer Power5, PPC970, Pentium4, PentiumD, Xeon, Itanium2 or Opteron-based servers depending on your tasking.

It really does look to me that you're just not intelligent.

PS. The article you posted is incorrect as Cell is built on a PD-SOI process (just like AMD and Power4!) and is most decidely in mass production; well before Power6.

I've read enough of your posts over the course of your history here to conclude you're just a fucking asshole with no sense of social skills or care/respect for other people. So you can take your insults and shove em up your ass. Learn how to talk civil to people and maybe I'd give a shit what you say.

And don't give me your "I'm such a great programmer and write so much code bullshit, doesn't change the fact that your mom didn't spank you enough as a kid.

Ignore list +1

 

[Slaaaaabs]

From what we've seen so far, it's not proving to be a negative thing by any means. Not by a long shot.

I guess what you're implying is that if they're developing it for uses other than gaming, its gaming uses are likely to suffer?

Or maybe it could be the case that, the elements that are important for creating that next gen gaming experience are also important for creating that niche or the roles in which the CELL will be useful?

"Jack of all trades, master of none" is the phrase. I have no doubt that the Cell is amazingly powerful but that little fact does make me wonder.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Cell is really more of a SoC archtecture then a specific chip, there is nothing stopping IBM from adding SPEs and EIB and perhaps a XDR2 memcontroller to a pair of POWER6 cores and make a Cell out of that.

With the proper licensing (and modifying of how the core talks to the rest of the chip) you could in theory see a cell built around PA Semi's PA6T core. Or one from Freescale built around their e600 or upcomming e700 cores, for example.

You are right, the CELL is not simply a CPU architecture, but a way of building scalable SoC systems that push the performance envelope and achieve rather amazing peak performance:watt numbers. A lot of lessons were learned tackling the challenge that has been designing, developing and manufacturing the CELL Broadband Engine.

FlexIO, the EIB, XDR, etc... are some of the major side-benefits that creating CELL brought to life. Sometimes it can happen that the solution to a problem might be something great in itself, but still not as important for the future as some of the techniques and tools invented to solve that particularly challenging problem, to achieve your goal.

We still have to give a chance to STI to show us how they can evolve the CBEA and the whole BPA which CELL/CBE is the first incarnation of.

Do we erase from our minds the Pentium-M, the Pentium 4, the Intel Duo, etc... based on how far from the asked target was the 4004 ?

Are you willing to spend some R&D dollars and make a CBEA compatible processor taking out 4 SPE's and replacing the PPE with a modified POWER5+ processor (adapted to communicate on the EIB and perhaps with reduced/removed L3) and producing it on 65 nm technology ? Do you want to improove general purpose processing of a CBEA processor and take out two SPE's, double the PPE's L2 cache and add a shared SPE L1 cache or leave the SPE's be and shift production on the 65 nm node (modifications would not necessarily mean that it has to fit in a about $399 console with RAM, GPU, etc... costs added as well) ?

All doable and all doable WITHOUT breaking compatibility: you could achieve binary compatibility even upgrading the PPE to a faster customized PowerPC processor if you could guarantee that the new processor is able to emulate or is a super-set of PPE's features and ISA or you could be happy maintaning source level compatibility, still using the same tools, still approaching the platform the same way just reducing the performance hit when you do things sub-optimally.

 

[mckmas8808]

I would love to see what IBM would use the CELL processor for.

 

[SonnyBoy]

You are right, the CELL is not simply a CPU architecture, but a way of building scalable SoC systems that push the performance envelope and achieve rather amazing peak performance:watt numbers. A lot of lessons were learned tackling the challenge that has been designing, developing and manufacturing the CELL Broadband Engine.

FlexIO, the EIB, XDR, etc... are some of the major side-benefits that creating CELL brought to life. Sometimes it can happen that the solution to a problem might be something great in itself, but still not as important for the future as some of the techniques and tools invented to solve that particularly challenging problem, to achieve your goal.

We still have to give a chance to STI to show us how they can evolve the CBEA and the whole BPA which CELL/CBE is the first incarnation of.

Do we erase from our minds the Pentium-M, the Pentium 4, the Intel Duo, etc... based on how far from the asked target was the 4004 ?

Are you willing to spend some R&D dollars and make a CBEA compatible processor taking out 4 SPE's and replacing the PPE with a modified POWER5+ processor (adapted to communicate on the EIB and perhaps with reduced/removed L3) and producing it on 65 nm technology ? Do you want to improove general purpose processing of a CBEA processor and take out two SPE's, double the PPE's L2 cache and add a shared SPE L1 cache or leave the SPE's be and shift production on the 65 nm node (modifications would not necessarily mean that it has to fit in a about $399 console with RAM, GPU, etc... costs added as well) ?

All doable and all doable WITHOUT breaking compatibility: you could achieve binary compatibility even upgrading the PPE to a faster customized PowerPC processor if you could guarantee that the new processor is able to emulate or is a super-set of PPE's features and ISA or you could be happy maintaning source level compatibility, still using the same tools, still approaching the platform the same way just reducing the performance hit when you do things sub-optimally.

Great post, definately enlighten me a bit. I did NOT know it was that scaleable.

 

[Zaptruder]

"Jack of all trades, master of none" is the phrase. I have no doubt that the Cell is amazingly powerful but that little fact does make me wonder.

I doubt you'll see many arguing that the CELL is a jack of all trades.

Indeed, that it seems to be a master of linear computing seems to be it's biggest strength and what makes it valuable for a variety of roles and tasks that require that kind of strength.

 

[Vince]

Learn how to talk civil to people and maybe I'd give a shit what you say.

Learn how to post something that isn't bullshit pulled out of your ass or just don't post. Namely, stop trolling when you don't know WTF you're talking about. Lets look at what you wrote:

Cell will definitely be short lived in use for IBM servers, maybe a year and that's it.

Ok, totally unsupported statement on the same day IBM announces Cell's server line.

They've already got the POWER6 architecture unveiled (at ISSCC the other day) and the damn thing is already running at 6GHz in labs, and will be released at 5Ghz initially (using their 65nm process).

If you knew what you were talking about you'd have seen, that, like I posted and can be seen here, IBM has server lines outside of their p, i, z lines. Actually, any attempt at posting something informed would have stumbled upon this, but for some reson I don't think you intended to post in that manner.

It is true that Cell won't really become widespread, most likely just like the EE.

Pure Conjecture, Pure Trolling. On the day that IBM announces a Cell-based server line no less....

It really does look to me as if IBM just used the partnership with Sony and Toshiba to further fund and develop their Power6 as their full on Server replacement.

More trolling with no basis in reality.

Cell will most likely only be very short term and will be replaced as soon as these chips are ready to go.

Trolling... again. And since your previous comments inpire such confidence in your knowledge and predictive ability....

And don't give me your "I'm such a great programmer and write so much code bullshit, doesn't change the fact that your mom didn't spank you enough as a kid.

Haha, I never said that as it's hardly the case.

Ignore list +1

Now if only we could end your communication with the board at large as well we'd all win.

 

[Tenacious-V]

.

Seems I struck a nerve. But by all means, keep lashing out and yelping troll from the mountaintops. I know the consensus here is if you disagree with something Sony you're automatically an Xbot or a troll. My life doesn't revolve around console fanboyism or worshipping the ground of some giant corporation, but think what you wish as you seem to like jumping to conclusions about people and being your typical asshole self.

Carry on.

 

[kaching]

gotcha.

What's the notation the cell-blade servers going under?

IBM's press release doesn't give it a designation yet.

 

[Vince]

My life doesn't revolve around console fanboyism

Funny, from the above comments I quoted it doesn't really seem that way, now does it? 4 out of the 5 sentences you posted were trolling/pure Cell-bashing - even got an Emotion Engine reference in, good job! Ironic, eh? Besides, I thought I was the lucky one and that you'd ignore me.

 

[conker]

CELL?
OMG!
WOW!
WOW!
YAY!
HAHA XBOTS!!

Grow up.
It's a processor.
It's not that special.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Funny, from the above comments I quoted it doesn't really seem that way, now does it? 4 out of the 5 sentances you posted were trolling/Cell-bashing. Funny, eh? Besides, I thought I was the lucky one and that you'd ignore me.

Well considering this topic is us speaking directly with each other, I figured I'd reply in this topic to your posts.

So yes.... me speaking of CELL in a PC server space, not having one mention of consoles in any way shape or form puts me as console fanboy. Wow you have such great logic. I know you love Sony, good for you. Me not worshipping CELL makes me a fanboy, nice....

I never said CELL was bad, I never said PS3 was bad, or that CELL in PS3 was bad. I was merely talking about Power6. You ASSUMED I spoke badly of Sony, ASSUMED I was trolling PS3 and CELL, ASSUMED I think CELL is shit, and so on.

You have a fucking stick so far up your ass you can't decipher normal conversation and general comments from fanboy banter. It seems your the flagrant fanboy.

 

[gofreak]

BusinessWeek have a nice article with some other details, including more on Raytheon's plans:

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2006/tc20060208_094930.htm

Cell could have a major impact on the defense and aerospace industries. Raytheon (RTN) is working with IBM to develop a two-chip package for use in everything from radar and sonar to night-vision goggles. In addition to powering the individual systems and devices, Cell will, ideally, help integrate information from many sensors and sources, so individual soldiers and commanders can have both detailed and holistic views of the action around them. Raytheon plans on using Cell in its entire family of sensor-based products.

"This will be a key enabler for many things that will happen in network-centric warfare," Raytheon Chief Technology Officer Peter S. Pao, says of the Pentagon's plan to use advanced digital-imaging and networking to transform the battlefield of the future.

Also, that Terrain Rendering Engine demo seems to have got some attention..:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/08/AR2006020800784.html

"We see a commercial application for that Cell processor" in corporate data centers, Balog told Reuters. "Several customers approached us to take advantage of this highly graphics-intensive engine, which can render whole cities and landscapes on the fly."

 

[fortified_concept]

Learn how to post something that isn't bullshit pulled out of your ass or just don't post. Namely, stop trolling when you don't know WTF you're talking about. Lets look at what you wrote:



Ok, totally unsupported statement on the same day IBM announces Cell's server line.




If you knew what you were talking about you'd have seen, that, like I posted and can be seen here, IBM has server lines outside of their p, i, z lines. Actually, any attempt at posting something informed would have stumbled upon this, but for some reson I don't think you intended to post in that manner.



Pure Conjecture, Pure Trolling. On the day that IBM announces a Cell-based server line no less....



More trolling with no basis in reality.



Trolling... again. And since your previous comments inpire such confidence in your knowledge and predictive ability....



Haha, I never said that as it's hardly the case.



Now if only we could end your communication with the board at large as well we'd all win.

I love it watching you reply to fanboys who pretend they know it all because they spent 2 months in beyond3d. Respect.

 

[mckmas8808]

Seems I struck a nerve. But by all means, keep lashing out and yelping troll from the mountaintops. I know the consensus here is if you disagree with something Sony you're automatically an Xbot or a troll. My life doesn't revolve around console fanboyism or worshipping the ground of some giant corporation, but think what you wish as you seem to like jumping to conclusions about people and being your typical asshole self.

Carry on.

Hey what's wrong with you seriously? It's obvious that everything that Vince has said he can back up with hard evidence, you on the other hand....

 

[Raytow]

So yes.... me speaking of CELL in a PC server space, not having one mention of consoles in any way shape or form puts me as console fanboy.

That would work if you didn't compare Cell to EE in first place...