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COOPER: But Democrats argue look, John Kerry doesn't support gay marriage. I mean he doesn't want a constitutional amendment about it, but he didn't support gay marriage. Why is it that the Republicans have been able to benefit from that whereas the Democrats did not? Is it simply the question of the constitutional -- the federal amendment?

FALWELL: Well, nobody believes John Kerry on that because his voting record, pro choice, his voting record on the family issues, does -- belies his statement. And the fact that he would not support a federal marriage amendment, it equates in our minds as someone 150 years ago saying I'm personally opposed to slavery, but if my neighbor wants to own one or two that's OK. We don't buy that.

This guy must be on the Dick Cheney meds. What is the matter with people nowadays?

 

[BigJonsson]

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you the reason Bush won the election!

 

[Mumbles]

The thing is, I do agree with the analogy, as far as it goes. However, for the analogy to work, Bush would be the guy saying that slavery was God's purpose for black people.

 

[ShadowRed]

This guy must be on the Dick Cheney meds. What is the matter with people nowadays?

He also said out right that he was looking forward to RoeVsWade being overturned under Bush.

 

[AntoneM]

that analogy is shit, on one side you have a violation of civil rights (slavery) and the other an expansion of civil rights (gay marriage). Kerry saying that he personlly opposes gay marriage is more akin to... ah fuck it! It's jerry Fawlwell or whatever his name is. I hope he rots in hell.

 

[WasabiKing]

:lol at Liberal matchmaking GoogleAd

Anyway, listen, as someone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, the act is old. We know these religious right "people" are just a bunch of pussies who always talk big and like to stir the pot.

 

[Minotauro]

Man, I wish Falwell and his ilk would just fucking die. Him, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, all of them...just drop dead.

 

[theo]

Man, I wish Falwell and his ilk would just fucking die. Him, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, all of them...just drop dead.

soon it will

probably not soon enough though
im sure there is a nice cozy spot in hell for all of them(if you believe in that sort of thing)

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

Well, if gay people go to hell like Falwell thinks, and vile hatemongers that thrive on negativity and ignorance go to hell as well, guess who Falwell is spendin' eternity hanging out with?

 

[Jim Bowie]

Man, I wish Falwell and his ilk would just fucking die. Him, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, all of them...just drop dead.

Billy Graham isn't so bad. Dude's just a preacher. He doesn't fly off the handle so much as Falwell.. and even if he did, he doesn't deserve a place next to Pat and Jerry.

 

[videogamer]

Billy Graham isn't so bad. Dude's just a preacher. He doesn't fly off the handle so much as Falwell.. and even if he did, he doesn't deserve a place next to Pat and Jerry.

Graham was caught saying anti-semitic things in one of Nixon's tapes.

 

[Jim Bowie]

Meh. Dude's not entitled to a flub? He's not like Pat or Jerry, who constantly say shit that makes me want to give them punches.

Not that I'm a Graham fan, but, y'know. He's not nearly as bad.

 

[videogamer]

Meh. Dude's not entitled to a flub? He's not like Pat or Jerry, who constantly say shit that makes me want to give them punches.

Not that I'm a Graham fan, but, y'know. He's not nearly as bad.

I guess it depends on if you think his statements are bad or not.

Nixon himself has long since lost the power to shock us, even when we hear him proposing to drop nuclear weapons on Vietnam.

But this conversation with Billy Graham is something else again. Here is the most admired and influential religious leader in America complaining to the president of the United States about the Jews and their "stranglehold" on the media, and blaming them for "all the pornography."

Even when Nixon replies that he agrees but "can't say that" in public, Graham presses the point: Yes, right, but if you get elected to a second term, then we could do something about the problem.

Graham adds that while many Jews are friendly to him, "they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country."

Today, Graham claims to have no memory of the conversation, as if to throw ever-so-slight a doubt on whether it actually occurred. Alas, we have the tapes. Advisers (and network news anchors bending over backward to sound respectful) point out that the old evangelist is in his eighties and suffering from Parkinson's disease, an argument similar to the one used to try to keep war criminals from being brought to trial.

What they might have pointed out instead is that Billy Graham, at a time when he was presenting himself as a moral leader and conducting "Crusades for Christ," was saying things no person with the slightest claim to moral stature could be imagined saying, under any circumstances.

Given nearly unfettered access to the highest halls of power, the minister used his influence to slander an entire people, to betray the trust of those who had by his own account been good to him, to urge the most powerful person in the world to act vigorously in the service of bigotry.

Closer in time to Dachau than to the present moment, the "preacher to the presidents" counseled the rankest, crudest, most heart-sickening anti-Semitism.

This news is especially painful to people who have revered Billy Graham, seeing him as a class act who operated on a much higher level than the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons and Jimmy Swaggarts who came after him. I recall how some people who loathed and feared Nixon took comfort in the thought that "at least he's talking to Billy Graham."

These are pretty serious statements. "Flub" is too weak of a word to describe this. This is no faux pas. Most people would be utterly creamed for saying these things.

http://www.counterpunch.org/vestgraham.html

 

[Jim Bowie]

Holy shit. I didn't think it was this bad. Opinion of BG changed. Thanks, Hammy.

 

[fennec fox]

Anyway, listen, as someone who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, the act is old. We know these religious right "people" are just a bunch of pussies who always talk big and like to stir the pot.

Yeah, and then the worst part is we turn around and make signs like these at protests

which only makes people like Falwell think they're right all along about the "blue" states.

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

Ugh. I hate how extremists on either side of any issue are the only ones the media are interested in showing. Why can't we ever hear from level headed moderates who think about issues instead of "hate filled religious guy" and "loudmouth protester"?

A little off topic, but this bugs me.

 

[maharg]

Ugh. I hate how extremists on either side of any issue are the only ones the media are interested in showing. Why can't we ever hear from level headed moderates who think about issues instead of "hate filled religious guy" and "loudmouth protester"?

A little off topic, but this bugs me.

Because there are apparently only about 4 million or so moderates in all of America, and they're all spoken for.

 

[DarkAngyl]

Falwell and his ilk give Christians a bad name. Just makes me sick. Besides bilking old people out of their life savings, (Like my great grandmother) they push for these narrow minded agendas. It's just fucking disgusting.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Um, Falwell was the one who recently said something like, "We'll hunt them down and blow them all away, in the name of the Lord." Big, fat idiot comes to mind, but that's a given. It's fucking Falwell, hellspawn Bible thumper. PEACE.

 

[videogamer]

Um, Falwell was the one who recently said something like, "We'll hunt them down and blow them all away, in the name of the Lord." Big, fat idiot comes to mind, but that's a given. It's fucking Falwell, hellspawn Bible thumper. PEACE.

LOL. I'm going to have to compile a huge list of Falwell comments. And people somehow hate Moore with a passion but don't seem to find Falwell terrible.