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[heavenly]

Goemon is more or less a dead franchise in japan, not because the last goemon sucks, but because the ten goemons prior (on PS/PS2/GBA) DID suck

Okay, I'll give you that. So when is the next major 3rd party title that is garuanteed to sell?

 

[Fularu]

But it doesn't bode well for the title if it's not in the top 20 dailies for the week. It's not like it's going to magically appear in the top 10 or something when Media Crates list their statistics.

Alright, Goemon sells on par with Coded Arms, so now, little genius, tell us, which one is the biggest bomb?

 

[heavenly]

I'll bold it for you

Actually, it was meant to be taken in the context of how most bashers and journalists view the current software lineup for DS. I'm not hating. I prefer those styles of games on handhelds over traditional ones.

 

[heavenly]

Alright, Goemon sells on par with Coded Arms, so now, little genius, tell us, which one is the biggest bomb?

Why are you comparing different platform games? This isn't about the PSP.

 

[BuzzJive]

But it's all Nintendo. I don't see no 3rd party NDS software up there? That's not good Ninty.

Nintendo is holding up their end - which is creating a large userbase. And it's not like the PS2 - with it's massive userbase - is really lighting up the charts right now with small third party titles. It's still too early to draw the kind of conclusions you're reaching for.

 

[Fularu]

Why are you comparing different platform games? This isn't about the PSP.

Why shouldn't we? We have 2 Konami games, coming out almost at the same time, and they both sell the same... Except ogemon was rather cheaop to make while Coded Arms was really expensive.

so, tell me since you like to bring up the DS 3rd parties issue) where is Konami going to recoup it's investment, in Goemon, or in Coded Arms?

 

[ziran]

there have been several hit games on the ds by 3rd parties:

100,000+ [or their abouts]
sega - feel the magic
sega - puyo puyo
cing - another code
tomy [eighting, i think was the developer] naruto 2
mitchel - polarium

and there's naruto rpg 2, dq slime quest and jump super stars all coming soon. they will certainly sell well.

i think the ds has good third party support.

 

[heavenly]

Why shouldn't we? We have 2 Konami games, coming out almost at the same time, and they both sell the same... Except ogemon was rather cheaop to make while Coded Arms was really expensive.

Any proof to back this claim up, little genius?

so, tell me since you like to bring up the DS 3rd parties issue) where is Konami going to recoup it's investment, in Goemon, or in Coded Arms?

Who said they didn't already? I'm just saying that most gamers and non-gamers are currently picking up Nintendo games instead of 3rd party ones. To me, this indicates that most major 3rd parties will put their major games on the home consoles (most likely PS2), rather than the DS.

I don't see the PSP fairing any better but again, this isn't about the PSP. But it's obvious you want it to be.

 

[Christberg]

What would you consider awesome 3rd party games? The same ol' milking of popular franchises?

Nintendo hasn't really put forth their best effort yet, imo (w/ the exception of Nintendogs...which is a non-game to most people here, and Kirby). Other than that...Nintendo has really been coasting until they get some real quality software out there.

I look at some of those games and non-games that Nint has already put on the DS and see how great they're selling and wonder how come the 3rd parties couldn't put out these kinds of games before them? Is it that they didn't believe non-games and tech demos would sell?

I think you'd have to be blind to not notice the unprecedented amount of NOT milking Nintendo has done with the DS over in Japan. Sure, it's got Mario 64, Wario Ware, and Wars... and everything else is new!

Nintendogs and Brain Training are doing great, but let's not forget that there's other stuff like Kirby, Band Brothers, Electroplankton, Another Code, Polarium, etc. and all of it is solid-excellent. The system hasn't even been out a year yet! This is absolutely unprecedented, not only for Nintendo, but for the industry in general- especially with the direction it's been heading in.

Dismissing something because it's a "non-game" as being irrelevant software and half-assed as you seem to be doing is pretty foolish. One needs look no further than the sales of the things to see that they're obviously good quality stuff- that's particularly well suited to the handheld idiom.

I think that with third parties, one needs to realize that they're less and less likely to take risks as the market shrinks in Japan. It takes a Nintendo to go "Oh shit! We need to invest to grow the market, not retreat!"

 

[heavenly]

there have been several hit games on the ds by 3rd parties:

100,000+ [or their abouts]
sega - feel the magic
sega - puyo puyo
cing - another code
tomy [eighting, i think was the developer] naruto 2
mitchel - polarium

and there's naruto rpg 2, dq slime quest and jump super stars all coming soon. they will certainly sell well.

i think the ds has good third party support.

Bolded are first party games or published at least by Nintendo.

Puyo broke the 100K barrier? Numbers, please?

 

[ziran]

Bolded are first party games or published at least by Nintendo.

Puyo broke the 100K barrier? Numbers, please?

puyo puyo had sales of 83,000 in april from media create, you think it hasn't done close to 100,000 by now? or that it hasn't made profit for sega?

also you understand all the games i quoted are developed by 3rd parties right? so you can see 3rd parties are making money from ds.

 

[heavenly]

I think you'd have to be blind to not notice the unprecedented amount of NOT milking Nintendo has done with the DS over in Japan. Sure, it's got Mario 64, Wario Ware, and Wars... and everything else is new!

The milking was a reference to 3rd party software, not Nintendo. Again, I'm in agreement with you concerning what Nintendo has done thus far on the DS. Still, Nintendo needs to encourage major 3rd parties to put their top-tier franchises on the platform, or atleast garuantee funding for major DS projects. The same way Nintendo worked w/ 3rd parties on the Gamecube is the same way Nint should do on the DS. I think this will encourage 3rd parties to take more risks which will probably lead to more sales.

 

[heavenly]

puyo puyo had sales of 82,000 in april from media create, you think it hasn't done close to 100,000 by now? or that it hasn't made profit for sega?

(a) No. (b) I don't know. Maybe.

also you understand all the games i quoted are developed by 3rd parties right? so you can see 3rd parties are making money from ds.

Are you certain?

 

[ziran]

Are you certain?

yes.

developer in bold.

sega - feel the magic
sega - puyo puyo
cing - another code
tomy [eighting, i think was the developer] naruto 2
mitchel - polarium
tomy - naruto rpg 2
tose/square enix - dq slime quest
ganbarion - jump super stars

 

[heavenly]

No. Are you certain that 3rd parties are making $ from the DS? Remember, Nintendo published Polarium & Another Code, so who profitted more on the games depends on the kind of deal that was worked out between the two parties.

 

[Ruud_Luiten]

No. Are you certain that 3rd parties are making $ from the DS? Remember, Nintendo published Polarium & Another Code, so who profitted more on the games depends on the kind of deal that was worked out between the two parties.

DS sales so far are quite good. Remember, the games don't take years to develop.

 

[ziran]

No. Are you certain that 3rd parties are making $ from the DS? Remember, Nintendo published Polarium & Another Code, so who profitted more on the games depends on the kind of deal that was worked out between the two parties.

these are small developers, they are not publishers [except sega]. they have no way of selling their games unless they make a deal with a publisher.

i think you have decided to believe ds in not profitable for 3rd parties. just as i can't 100% confirm it is profitable you can't prove it's not.

 

[Christberg]

The milking was a reference to 3rd party software, not Nintendo. Again, I'm in agreement with you concerning what Nintendo has done thus far on the DS. Still, Nintendo needs to encourage major 3rd parties to put their top-tier franchises on the platform, or atleast garuantee funding for major DS projects. The same way Nintendo worked w/ 3rd parties on the Gamecube is the same way Nint should do on the DS. I think this will encourage 3rd parties to take more risks which will probably lead to more sales.

It would be nice to see them do this, but then again- if you build a userbase, they will come. As others have said though, the support is coming.

 

[heavenly]

these are small developers, they are not publishers [except sega]. they have no way of selling their games unless they make a deal with a publisher.

i think you have decided to believe ds in not profitable for 3rd parties. just as i can't 100% confirm it is profitable you can't prove it's not.

Hey, I want to believe 3rd parties are profitting, but I just don't know. Lower sales = lower profit margins. Nintendo is doing a great for themselves but they need to pull a Sony and invest in multiple big name projects to secure the DS status as a viable platform.

I don't think Nintendo benefits in the longterm if only their games are pulling in big numbers. So, I think Nintendo should take it upon themselves and consistently fund some major 3rd party projects to get the ball rolling for them (3rd parties).