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[tedtropy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150119,00.html

ATLANTA, Ga. — A man facing rape charges grabbed a deputy's gun and shot four people at the Fulton County Courthouse (search) in downtown Atlanta, killing a well-respected judge, a court reporter and a sheriff's deputy and leading authorities on a citywide manhunt.

Jesus what a crazy fuck. The city of Atlanta is basically shutdown right now in search for this guy.

 

[borghe]

eh, I live in the city where the guy was from that killed that Chicago judge's family...

was weird.. I was driving to work and I had to take a detour.. was like "WTF!!!??" and then 5 minutes later heard on the radio that they found the guy who apparently commited suicide with a note saying he killed the juedge's family.

Not a good time to be a judge I guess.

 

[Doth Togo]

Brian Nichols. Dead man walking.

 

[Bristow]

Yeah, I don't see this guy making it into custody alive.

 

[jobber]

He went to Magic City

 

[EdLuva]

Stupid

 

[The Internet]

Apparently this was the Judge that was dealing with Dany Heatley's case.



The Internet

 

[haunts]

My office complex was on the news. I guess he was running around here or something.

 

[GDGF]

I blame GTA.

 

[Monk]

Why do you people need guns in there? @_@

 

[Phoenix]

Why do you people need guns in there? @_@

Because we don't like our criminals beating the crap out of people and escaping the courts or threatening them with baseball bats and seeing the police flee before them (as happened in Japan recently).

 

[Deleted member 4784]

This whole incident is just the grossest example of court procedural negligence that I've ever heard of.

1.) Instead of being dressed in a jumpsuit, the accused appeared in normal street clothes (because of some state law). Honestly, how many ways can a jacket or similar article of clothing be used to distract, disorient or overcome another person?

2.) The accused was not restrained or bound in ANY WAY while being escorted -- I'm assuming because of the aforementioned law regarding "prejudicial appearance" or something along those lines.

3.) Ontop of all this, the accused was being escorted by a single bailiff in an ELEVATOR; coincidentally by a bailiff that happened to be FEMALE. A man is accused of violent crimes against women and they have a FEMALE bailiff/deputy/whatever escort him ALONE? I mean honestly, WTF?

I'm more pissed off at the court than anything.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Because we don't like our criminals beating the crap out of people and escaping the courts or threatening them with baseball bats and seeing the police flee before them (as happened in Japan recently).

YOU LIE. Nothing bad happens in Japan it is a utopia and we Americans can only hope to aspire to become as wise as the Japanese.

 

[android]

Because we don't like our criminals beating the crap out of people and escaping the courts or threatening them with baseball bats and seeing the police flee before them (as happened in Japan recently).

:lol that video was hilarious.

 

[The Internet]

Can't really tell a difference.




The Internet

 

[The Faceless Master]

3.) Ontop of all this, the accused was being escorted by a single bailiff in an ELEVATOR; coincidentally by a bailiff that happened to be FEMALE. A man is accused of violent crimes against women and they have a FEMALE bailiff/deputy/whatever escort him ALONE? I mean honestly, WTF?

are you trying to imply that women can't be as productive as men at work?

 

[cvkpaladin]

"are you trying to imply that women can't be as productive as men at work?"

Well, I am guessing it depends on the situation. If the criminal was big and bulky and the female was much smaller and weighed less (same goes for a small guy as well), I would definitely consider putting more people on the escort to prevent a scenerio where the criminal is able to overpower the person escorting him. I'm not saying that females can't work as effectively as males but at the same time there is a clear advantage for a criminal to overpower another person if that person is much smaller then him.

 

[Pochacco]

This guy may have just killed another person - a customs agent.
Unreal. This is like an episode of 24. There's no Jack Bauer, but I hope they catch/kill this guy soon..

 

[Dilbert]

They just got him this morning...

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=/ap/20050312/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_shooting

does he deserve to die? he has shown no regard for human life (raping his ex over 3 days, multiple killings) so why should we show regard to his?

 

[Malleymal]

they gonna kill that dude quick

 

[Shinobi]

Wish someone would kill a few judges up here...

 

[peedi]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=/ap/20050312/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_shooting

does he deserve to die? he has shown no regard for human life (raping his ex over 3 days, multiple killings) so why should we show regard to his?

Because you're a humane person? You don't know that he raped his ex. The first trial ended in a mistrial, with the majority of the jury leaning towards an acquittal. It seems to me that the man was bitter that the state was pressing charges that he should have been found 'not guilty' of. Does that excuse his rampage? No, of course it doesn't, but it doesn't give us the right to act similarly.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

are you trying to imply that women can't be as productive as men at work?

Uh, are you serious? a Of course not. I'm a woman...

I think CVK put it best:

Well, I am guessing it depends on the situation. If the criminal was big and bulky and the female was much smaller and weighed less (same goes for a small guy as well), I would definitely consider putting more people on the escort to prevent a scenerio where the criminal is able to overpower the person escorting him. I'm not saying that females can't work as effectively as males but at the same time there is a clear advantage for a criminal to overpower another person if that person is much smaller then him.

Women can compete with men in many ways, but sometimes the issue comes down to one of weight/muscle. There are five bailiffs at the courthouse where I live that are female and I know that a few of them can clearly handle themselves. On the other hand, there are a couple others who are always accompanied by another bailiff on escort. This isn't an issue of being sexist, but an issue of being safe and well-prepared. Sometimes, feminazi ideals need to take a backseat to issues of safety.

This situation involved a man accused of VIOLENT ACTS AGAINST WOMEN -- un-restrained and in normal street clothes -- being escorted by a FEMALE bailiff in an ENCLOSED elevator. The situation was obviously a provocable(sp?) one and ample opportunity for the accused. However, even if the bailiff was male, the situation would still be a dangerous one. The chance always exists for a deputy or bailiff that the person they are escorting will make an attempt to procure their gun. The "environment" in this case just made accomplishing that all the easier.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Because you're a humane person? You don't know that he raped his ex. The first trial ended in a mistrial, with the majority of the jury leaning towards an acquittal. It seems to me that the man was bitter that the state was pressing charges that he should have been found 'not guilty' of. Does that excuse his rampage? No, of course it doesn't, but it doesn't give us the right to act similarly.

I think the amount of evidence that would be left after three days would be sufficient to convict him. I have seen nothing regarding that case like what you have mentioned. Do you have a link that I can look at?

 

[Dilbert]

Because you're a humane person? You don't know that he raped his ex. The first trial ended in a mistrial, with the majority of the jury leaning towards an acquittal. It seems to me that the man was bitter that the state was pressing charges that he should have been found 'not guilty' of. Does that excuse his rampage? No, of course it doesn't, but it doesn't give us the right to act similarly.

I'll ask the question bluntly: Are you XS+/Futami/whatever other names you've gone under before?

 

[peedi]

I'll ask the question bluntly: Are you XS+/Futami/whatever other names you've gone under before?

Yes.

 

[Ecrofirt]

Futami!

 

[Shinobi]

I'll ask the question bluntly: Are you XS+/Futami/whatever other names you've gone under before?

WTF...you're only just noticing now???

 

[ShadowRed]

are you trying to imply that women can't be as productive as men at work?

Depends on the freaking work. Would i trust a lone woman to keep a violent male criminal in check by herself. HELL FUCKING NO!!!!! I would trust a lone guy for that much but knowing what we know about men and women. Namely that women are physically weaker than men, then there is no way i would allow what happened in that court house uesterday. It's not sexism it's fucking reality. If you can't handle it, then piss off.

 

[ShadowRed]

I'll ask the question bluntly: Are you XS+/Futami/whatever other names you've gone under before?

Why does it matter, counter his points, not try and get him banned because you don't like him personally. Also believe it or not Futami isn't the only well spoken black person on the net. I wonder how many black people, or persons in general have been banned from this board because they have a similuar writing style to Futami.

 

[Rorschach]

WTF...you're only just noticing now???

:lol

 

[Dilbert]

Why does it matter, counter his points, not try and get him banned because you don't like him personally. Also believe it or not Futami isn't the only well spoken black person on the net. I wonder how many black people, or persons in general have been banned from this board because they have a similuar writing style to Futami.

The issue has nothing to do with whether or not I care for his opinions. The issue is that his previous account was permanently banned -- by someone else, incidentally -- and he reregistered under a different name.

 

[Shinobi]

For the record, I hope Futami keeps posting here. Don't agree with much of what he has to say, but I find his opinions and the way he delivers them to be interesting and entertaining. As long as he doesn't fly off the handle (which happens from time to time), he's fine with me.

 

[ShadowRed]

For the record, I hope Futami keeps posting here. Don't agree with much of what he has to say, but I find his opinions and the way he delivers them to be interesting and entertaining. As long as he doesn't fly off the handle (which happens from time to time), he's fine with me.

When has he flown off the handle outside of the incedent that got him banned, what 5 years ago I think that was. I also find it odd that you wouldn't agree with most of what he said seeing as from my prospective you and hee agree with a most things.

The issue has nothing to do with whether or not I care for his opinions. The issue is that his previous account was permanently banned -- by someone else, incidentally -- and he reregistered under a different name.

So have a lot of other people who have been banned but they are not banned upon being discovered. Lonstar/Incogneto has been banned under his Lonestar name and created a second account, Incogneto and upon being found out wasn't immediatly banned. In fact he post under both names to this day. Talk about a TOS violation.

 

[Rorschach]

So have a lot of other people who have been banned but they are not banned upon being discovered. Lonstar/Incogneto has been banned under his Lonestar name and created a second account, Incogneto and upon being found out wasn't immediatly banned. In fact he post under both names to this day. Talk about a TOS violation.

Lonestar is someone else if you're talking about this Lonestar.

And I think Incognito is banned.

 

[Shinobi]

When has he flown off the handle outside of the incedent that got him banned, what 5 years ago I think that was. I also find it odd that you wouldn't agree with most of what he said seeing as from my prospective you and hee agree with a most things.

I don't think we agree that often...we're just so forceful with our opinions that we sound similiar. :lol As for flying off the handle, there's been several instances where he's flooded the GA and OA boards with er, various items. Don't think he's done that in a couple years though, so I guess your point is made.

As for Janus, I hope he's unbanned in time for the NBA playoffs. :lol

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

I think the amount of evidence that would be left after three days would be sufficient to convict him. I have seen nothing regarding that case like what you have mentioned. Do you have a link that I can look at?

ok, I take that to mean you don't.

 

[peedi]

Thanks to a hung jury, the last trial was declared a mistrial, with 8 of the 12 jurors leaning towards an acquittal.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

wow....just to let yall know his hostage talked him into turning himself in last night...and she is gonna go visit him and blah blah blah....

they should make a movie out of this....would be interesting.

 

[Azrael]

Because you're a humane person? You don't know that he raped his ex. The first trial ended in a mistrial, with the majority of the jury leaning towards an acquittal. It seems to me that the man was bitter that the state was pressing charges that he should have been found 'not guilty' of. Does that excuse his rampage? No, of course it doesn't, but it doesn't give us the right to act similarly.

Why not? You've expressed support for groups like Al Qaeda and Hamas as the "just response" of a victimized class. You can't turn around and pretend to be a pacifist now and expect not to be called on it.

 

[Monk]

Because we don't like our criminals beating the crap out of people and escaping the courts or threatening them with baseball bats and seeing the police flee before them (as happened in Japan recently).

Japanese police run at EVERYTHING. They are beyond useless.

 

[heavenly]

Japanese police run at EVERYTHING. They are beyond useless.

Is there a link to a video on the Net for this incident, if one ever happend?

 

[luxsol]

If anyone deserves the death penalty, it's this guy. He went on a hunt to kill people over an entire day. Everyone knows he did it (except for the last guy), so a quick trial and no need for a waiting period for his execution, imfo.

Anyone who can do this is an especially dangerous person with no regard to others, which makes me wonder if he even deserved an acquital for that rape charge.

But no, there are people out there who want to be "merciful" (even though someone who takes the life of another isn't merciful at all and would most likely do it again), give him the benefit of the doubt (even though he's clearly guilty), and the courts will give him every chance to clear his name or lower the punishment he deserves. There really should be special cases allowed for these sort of people where everything is done quickly.
I'm not saying they should stone him tomorrow at sun down or whatever, but give him exactly what he deserves without the second chances everyone that deserves the right to question their sentences gets.

And if you ask why this guy shouldn't get his second (third, fourth, etc) chance is because his guilt is just too obvious, as are his motivations.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Thanks to a hung jury, the last trial was declared a mistrial, with 8 of the 12 jurors leaning towards an acquittal.

that brings up the question that i haven't seen anywhere, did he really do it?

what if he is innocent and just snapped after all the pressure of having to deal with a second trial for a crime he didn't commit...

 

[ShadowRed]

that brings up the question that i haven't seen anywhere, did he really do it?

what if he is innocent and just snapped after all the pressure of having to deal with a second trial for a crime he didn't commit...

Yeah people are calling this guy a violent criminal and shit, but they never mention that that his last trial ended with an 8 to 3 hung jury. If he was so violent then how come 8 of his last peers thought he should go free. Seems to me he indeed snapped. It doesn't justify his actions and he has pretty much sealed his fate, but when you back some people in a corner, sometimes they strike back,

 

[luxsol]

Yeah people are calling this guy a violent criminal and shit, but they never mention that that his last trial ended with an 8 to 3 hung jury. If he was so violent then how come 8 of his last peers thought he should go free. Seems to me he indeed snapped. It doesn't justify his actions and he has pretty much sealed his fate, but when you back some people in a corner, sometimes they strike back,

Striking back at the immediate people around you is one thing, but hunting them down is another.

 

[Bristow]

Yeah people are calling this guy a violent criminal and shit, but they never mention that that his last trial ended with an 8 to 3 hung jury. If he was so violent then how come 8 of his last peers thought he should go free. Seems to me he indeed snapped. It doesn't justify his actions and he has pretty much sealed his fate, but when you back some people in a corner, sometimes they strike back,

I agree. People do sometimes snap. But snapping isn't killing 4 people. That's being batshit insane and proves you aren't capable of living in society. This guy will never see the outside of a prison again if he isn't executed first.

He also has a wrapsheet a mile long aside from the rape charge. It's not like he was a regular run of the mill joe who was falsely accused. He's a criminal who belongs in prison and it's a shame he wasn't put away long before this tragic event happened.

 

[tedtropy]

Yeah people are calling this guy a violent criminal and shit, but they never mention that that his last trial ended with an 8 to 3 hung jury. If he was so violent then how come 8 of his last peers thought he should go free. Seems to me he indeed snapped. It doesn't justify his actions and he has pretty much sealed his fate, but when you back some people in a corner, sometimes they strike back,

Oh give me a break. What, the system turned him into a murderous psychotic? I think it's pretty fricken' obvious this guy has some violent tendencies. You don't even get life for rape (and I'll let you wonder what's wrong with that as well), so don't pull that 'snapped' garbage. He's a nutjob with a fairly extensive previous list of offenses. Hell, even if he didn't commit this rape (and that's pretty damn doubtful) the issue is utterly moot. This is a shining example of an individual that should never see the outside world again.

 

[Iceman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7157845/