Kinect would actually be perfect for Series S right now & it would make Series S the "it" product instead of the "what is it" product
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ChorizoPicozo
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Oh wow. Smart boy.
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bitbydeath
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Could also be exclusives related, Xbox One was selling more than the 360 until the exclusives Don had setup stopped coming.
roosnam1980
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Kinect Adventures was the last Xbox game to sell really well
So you're saying that Don was better for Xbox than Phill?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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High quality OP, one for the vault.
nush
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They took Kinect OUT of the Xbox One package to improve sales.
Kinect was an overpromised and under delivered hype bit of tech. That quickly gathered dust, the improved version for the Xbox One couldn't bring back audiences that had already had their fix and moved on.
bitbydeath
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Both Don and Phil have different skillsets.
I think Microsoft took a gamble on what would drive sales further, Game/Image improvement.
Don did massively drop the ball in the PR department.
Mr Reasonable
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That's a surprising bet.
Of all the things that you could package with a Series S, I think most people would have a fairly long list before suggesting Kinect as a way to drive, not kill, sales.
"Ok, it's more expensive, but you can play Fruit Ninja. So...? Do we have a sale?"
"Or, cheaper but, and I must stress this, you can't play Fruit Ninja"
And how did that go?
Kinect wasn't the problem being more expensive than PS4 while being weaker was the problem
That's a surprising bet.
Of all the things that you could package with a Series S, I think most people would have a fairly long list before suggesting Kinect as a way to drive, not kill, sales.
"Ok, it's more expensive, but you can play Fruit Ninja. So...? Do we have a sale?"
"Or, cheaper but, and I must stress this, you can't play Fruit Ninja"
You do realize that you can have a Kinect like device for about $50 now right?
No but it's perfect for targeting that market & that market is theirs for the taken right now
Kinect was actually pretty cool in my eyes. I had tons of nongamer family and friends that loved playing Kinect Sports and Dance Central.
They just needed more social experience type games and less trying to force AAA experience with it.
They just needed more social experience type games and less trying to force AAA experience with it.
Wtf lol
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Not sure about this take, but I do think MS shouldn't have abandoned Kinect. XB1's Kinect actually worked really well unlike the 360 version, and it was the one unique thing XB1 had over PS4. It also had some really awesome games like D4 and Fantasia which ended up being some of the more memorable exclusives for me.
It was always a mistake to force the bundle, but keeping the option would've been really nice. The fact that it almost killed the brand probably means we'll never see it again though
It was always a mistake to force the bundle, but keeping the option would've been really nice. The fact that it almost killed the brand probably means we'll never see it again though
Quasicat
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Completely anecdotal, but I find a reason to buy every console at launch…I did not buy an Xbox One at launch because of Kinect. I can't be the only one that waited for the Xbox One to work without a Kinect.
Mr Reasonable
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So an additional cost?
The Kinect did cause xbox sales to increase but the era of the Wii has come and gone. Kinect wouldn't do as well today as it did back then.
With Social Media the way it is now it would probably sell even more.
So Nintendo should have a go at Wii 3? What you're forgetting is that the sales graph includes the times XB1 had kinect. Kinect sales dropped.
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nush
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You're on "social media" now, so no.
Alexios
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I mean, a real Wii 2 would have fared a ton better than Wii U. Supporting the old and clunky Wiimotes in some games doesn't make it a Wii 2. Just as PSVR2 is a whole league ahead of PSVR by not reimplementing the wands but having properly tracked and fully featured controllers. A Wii 2 could have probably had controllers with excellent tracking by replacing the sensor bar of Wii with an actual sensing bar with a camera or two tracking both the position and orientation of a pair of Oculus Rift-like controllers (basically two nunchucks with a couple extra buttons and tracked ring) in 1:1 accuracy as long as you're facing it (so 100% of the time as obviously you wanna face your TV). A game like Red Steel 3 could retain and improve on its predecessor's excellent shooting mechanics (even letting you dual wield and what not when your off hand isn't gimped by lesser motion abilities and both hands aren't gimped by say, lacking an analog stick or having a weird form factor as the Wiimote did by trying to double as a sideways controller) and have sword combat akin to Blade & Sorcery on top instead of some limited prone to errors tracking and gestures. I'd buy that for sure for all it could do for the rest of its library (including BOTW realizing Skyward Sword's concept on top of its other advancements). That way it'd be capable of traditional gaming and at the same time just a step below playing modern VR games in seated mode (turning and moving with the sticks).
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Didn't the Wii MotionPlus accessory and new controllers do pretty good 1:1 accuracy already?
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Nah, just better than the vanilla was. Orientation tracking was good with the gyroscope in place of the simple tilt sensors but actual motion tracking relied on the same old accelerometers or whatever those are called and was just as limited. That's why the cursor aiming in Skyward Sword was worse than in vanilla Wii games as they thought the motion sensing is good enough and didn't have it track the sensor bar any more so you even needed to recalibrate it and it just never felt right and that was for simple pointing, never mind motion controlled games like Red Steel 2. You need orientation and position for 1:1. Wands were the opposite with having good positional tracking (although depth could suffer) thanks to the orbs but no way to 1:1 the orientation of the controller so when you played something like a lightgun-esque shooter it was more like waving an air mouse than pointing.
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Kinect would have sold gang busters during the Pandemic when everyone was exercising at home. Ring Fit Adventure on switch sold like 20 million copies.
Imagine what that Kinect Fitness thing they had at Xbox One's launch woukd have sold.
I said the same thing
Funny Switch Sports & Ring Fit sold more than any game on Series S/X so I guess people tired of playing Xbox Games huh?
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baphomet
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When exactly did they add trash camera controls to those games?
I'm not sure, seemed good enough for 1:1 accuracy in a sword fighting game like red steel:
Some games would use the camera in the controller and IR in the sensor bar to recalibrate position on the fly too.
Alexios
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I liked Red Steel 2, it's nowhere near 1:1 and relies on gestures more than full tracking (which works well most of the time and makes it a fun game). You can see it quite clearly in your demo, he swings his wiimote but the lightsaber just changes angle while remaining at the center in the first part. And yes with the accelerometers you can vaguely do the things he does after that like thrusts and positional swings but it's not 1:1 and he doesn't spend a lot of time showing that continuously, so it's in the ideal circumstances and a limited demo not showing all the times it borks, drifts or whatever else. Add the player also moving around a bit as they play and it gets worse fast. That's why some games with a lot of tracking based gameplay also had a button input dedicated to recentering or whatever so you could fix it on the fly. It was cool for a cheap 2009 add on. I want Red Steel 3 VR.
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DKPOWPOW
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I'll take the hot take and say...
You're right.
A $199/$249 Series S Kinect bundle with a line-up of solid games that support the accessory on Game pass...
Sounds like something that could actually be successful.
But it requires games, legitimate experiences that speak to the value of the Kinect.
And MS is struggling so hard to make enticing new experiences that they are literally throwing 70 billion dollars at the fucking window to do it, instead of utilizing what they have.
You're right.
A $199/$249 Series S Kinect bundle with a line-up of solid games that support the accessory on Game pass...
Sounds like something that could actually be successful.
But it requires games, legitimate experiences that speak to the value of the Kinect.
And MS is struggling so hard to make enticing new experiences that they are literally throwing 70 billion dollars at the fucking window to do it, instead of utilizing what they have.
Just Dance would probably sale Series Kinect on it's own over the holidays
Gimmick generation is over man, none of those who bought a wii/kinect/move for the motion control fad ever came back for more, it served it purpose back when it was released, nowadays no one would care, in fact, majority didn't with the Xbone+kinect release, why suddenly it'd work out 10 years later? 
Gimmick generation is over man, none of those who bought a wii/kinect/move for the motion control fad ever came back for more, it served it purpose back when it was released, nowadays no one would care, in fact, majority didn't with the Xbone+kinect release, why suddenly it'd work out 10 years later?
Did you not just see that Switch Sports sold 8 million in a few months & Ring Fit sold over 14 million also Just Dance still sell pretty good every year
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