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King Fahad dies
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Myoclonic Jerk
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Didn't think you guys were that fast, I didn't even bother to check
sorry..
but my title >>> other one
sorry..
but my title >>> other one
RIP my thread.
BBC confirms succession here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4734175.stm
BBC > you.
King Fahd, Saudi Arabia's ruler since 1982, has died.
Saudi state television announced that Crown Prince Abdullah had been named as King Fahd's successor.
King Fahd had been frail since suffering a stroke a decade ago and had delegated the running of the kingdom's affairs to Crown Prince Abdullah.
BBC confirms succession here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4734175.stm
BBC > you.
King Fahd, Saudi Arabia's ruler since 1982, has died.
Saudi state television announced that Crown Prince Abdullah had been named as King Fahd's successor.
King Fahd had been frail since suffering a stroke a decade ago and had delegated the running of the kingdom's affairs to Crown Prince Abdullah.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Boogie said:
its spelled Fahad, I don't care what BBC have wrote.
this is really bad news, king Fahd was the father of all Saudis, it is kinda shocking, I can see sadness invades all the country...
we ask God to have mercy on him..Amen
why -_- ? we live in peace, we are not living in a desert or jungle , I am so disappointed that a lot of western people have many wrong thoughts about us, I just watched Bruce Williss Hostage, yesterday I ate a cheesburger meal from Mcdonalds, now I am playing Ape Escape 3, next week I will purchase my Electric Blue DS... so we are human beings.. I hope you visit my country and see that by your own eyes.
we ask God to have mercy on him..Amen
why -_- ? we live in peace, we are not living in a desert or jungle , I am so disappointed that a lot of western people have many wrong thoughts about us, I just watched Bruce Williss Hostage, yesterday I ate a cheesburger meal from Mcdonalds, now I am playing Ape Escape 3, next week I will purchase my Electric Blue DS... so we are human beings.. I hope you visit my country and see that by your own eyes.
OpinionatedCyborg
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Twix said:
King Fahd's death isn't the only reason a curtain of sadness has descended upon your fair country.
Myoclonic Jerk
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he was inactive for years, so there's no difference.
The Internet
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No one pulled out that "Fahad-King Tragedy" line yet.
Tommie Hu$tle
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The Internet said:
Arabs aren't subject to tragdies. Didn't you get the memo?
Tommie Hu$tle
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LowTecky said:
Ha, you are LOL funny.
Myoclonic Jerk
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APF said:
its easier to make a list of what's not banned over there.
no, but at the same time, it is not prohibited in Islam, all the arguments nowadays about the tempting that may happened, I think it tends to be a social problem rather than a religious.
and yes, in Saudi Arabia we still have a lot of non-good customs far away from any Islamic directives.
about the Pokemon, I dont know, maybe you should really laugh about it, what you gonna do if you know that in the middle of fifties, some people thought phones are some kind of Satanic works because you can hear someones voice far away from you, bicycles also called as " Lucifer Cart "..
we have a lot uneducated and unaware people, lets say, Bedouins, they just focused in the juristic side " punishments- Judgments ".. and this is a wrong learning about Islamic legalisations,because Islam is combining between earthly & religious sciences not only the last one.
also the Pokemon incident maybe has a merchant side, Pokemon was some kind of addiction for children, every kid just want a Pokemon and nothing else,it has caused a slackening for other products, and some one just wanted to stop all of this.
and please read this:
it is a fever inavded all the world, not only SA, and every country has it is own laws, I cannot see any problem in this, I think Netherlands is allowing people to buy & sell drugs in public .. a respective affair
so, we should not generalize the bad behaviors to all the people, at anyplace in the world anybody can face good and bad guys.
I visited US many times, Universal Studios and Disney Land are incredibles, and yes we do not have such as thing like this in Saudi Arabia
..and yes America is a very nice counrty yodathesoda
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Having living in Saudi for over 5 years I know a lot of people are ignorant to their way of life. It's not as bad as most of you think and if you did visit you'd see a beautiful country full of accomodating and genuine people. Abdullah has been running this show for years now anyways so this news is expected as many have mentioned.
To be fair Nintendo had to recall all the Pokemon cards that had the kanji of a temple (which bears a resemblance to the swastika). The star of David is seen the same way in Muslim countries. And actually the official reason for banning Pokemon cards is that it promotes gambling, IIRC.
Firest0rm said:
Well, it must not be so obvious, because some people seem to think that it's all right that to equate how people view the swastika and how those in muslim countries view the Star of David.
The difference being, of course, that the swastika represents a regime which, again, systematically murdered 6 million jews, while the star of David represents [irrational muslim fanatic]Teh EVIL ZIONISTS, RAWR[/irrational muslim fanatic].
I'm just trying to point out that difference, that the swastika is rightfully maligned as representative of the most murderous regime in humanity's history, while the star of David is merely maligned because of muslim countries' unhealthy scapegoating of the Jews and Israel
But, what if, and this is a big if, *certain* Muslims had feelings of resentment towards the state of Israel not because they think they're "teh eveil zionists", but rather because of what *they* see as Israeli oppression of the Palestinians.Boogie said:
Wouldn't that be something?
ghostface said:
Yes, but would these muslims have such extreme antipathy toward the star of David, and view it as a symbol of "international Zionism"?
Would such muslims who simply have legitimate issues with the state of Israel go so far as to view the star of David in the same light as a swastika?
a) I can't speak for other people, so I won't try. Also the term "such Muslims" could encompass all kinds of ideologies, both moderate and extreme.Boogie said:
b) Just because some may have issues with Israel and by extension, its flag, does not necessarily mean that they equate it with the swastika. That comparison was only brought up in this thread.
Father_Brain
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As much as I disagree with many of his political posts, Boogie is right on about the Star of David. And while Twix's English isn't good enough for me to tell what he's saying, the Saudi legal code is completely indefensible.
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_418/insaudiarabiagaytourture.html
And, of course, there's women's rights.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/13/saudia9810.htm
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_418/insaudiarabiagaytourture.html
And, of course, there's women's rights.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/13/saudia9810.htm
Boogie said:The difference being of course that the Jews never systematically murdered 6 million muslims.
No, but Israel has a history of systematically ethnically cleansing Muslims. Or at least if you don't see that as the case, then at least accept the fact that this is how it is percieved by them (and you may think they are percieving it incorrectly, I'm not trying to change your view on the topic).
Plus, it wasn't a swastika, it's inverted, a symbol of power in some cultures.
My reply won't surprise most...I hope that this death can turn into something positive and real political change occurs as a result. This country that is the birthplace of Islam should start behaving more Islamically. Women's rights is an apparent issue, but there are other issues as well, such as poverty (while the whole country is sitting on liquid gold, kinda odd isn't it?).
Fight for Freeform said:
Do you have a link? I'm not being a jackass. I've never heard of any "systematic ethnic cleansing" by Israel, and if you've got something you can point to, I would like to read it
Not to sound too glib (err, okay, too late, I admit), but I don't give a damn how they perceive the situation, if they perceive the situation wrong.
I am vaguely aware of the origins of the symbol.
I'd like to see things change too, but I'm not hopefully, since he hasn't really been "in charge" for a decade.
Boogie said:
C'mon man, are you serious?
Here is a history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from an Israeli perspective: http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm
From a Palestinian POV:
http://www.is-pal.net/
From the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/
wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
Then why do you care how they percieve the Star of David?
Well I hope it causes people to question the usefulness of the monarchy.
McLesterolBeast
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He's saying that for them to view it as an analogue to a swastika is wrong because the views you're representing are dishonest and inaccurate.
The fact that he doesn't care whether they hold erroneous beliefs isn't a reason NOT to take issue with the crap analogy from posters here. Given how militantly some people hold their erroneous beliefs here, maybe it should be.
What an amusing thread. First the thread starter gets berated for starting a thread when another one already exists (eventhough that one got no replies), then an argument erupts over the King's name, and then when I settle that, a comment I make ("Thank God I'm not there now) get misinterpreted by someone who commences to spew some nonsense about how great the King and country are. All the while no one really comments on the topic of the thread.
As for my 'crap' analogy, the analogy wrote itself. Both were featured on Pokemon cards, and both caused a lot of outrage, eventhough ironically neither symbol was what it was perceived to be. The swastika is of course an ancient symbol for a Buddhist temple (you can find that symbol all over Japan, Korea and China), and the Star of David is used by the Japanese as a symbol for magic.
My point was that bringing up the Pokemon cards wasn't the best example to show how bad things are in Saudi Arabia, since anything with a Star of David on it would probably be banned in most (if not all) Muslim countires. Like it or not, Israel is seen by Muslims as a slaughterer of Palestinians.
Not to sound too obvious, but you know how there are nuts in the states who are always calling for the banning of all sorts of stuff? Well, those people are in power in countries like Saudi Arabia, and since people are brainwashed from birth, few really question that.
As for my 'crap' analogy, the analogy wrote itself. Both were featured on Pokemon cards, and both caused a lot of outrage, eventhough ironically neither symbol was what it was perceived to be. The swastika is of course an ancient symbol for a Buddhist temple (you can find that symbol all over Japan, Korea and China), and the Star of David is used by the Japanese as a symbol for magic.
My point was that bringing up the Pokemon cards wasn't the best example to show how bad things are in Saudi Arabia, since anything with a Star of David on it would probably be banned in most (if not all) Muslim countires. Like it or not, Israel is seen by Muslims as a slaughterer of Palestinians.
Not to sound too obvious, but you know how there are nuts in the states who are always calling for the banning of all sorts of stuff? Well, those people are in power in countries like Saudi Arabia, and since people are brainwashed from birth, few really question that.
My point wasn't "to show how bad things are in Saudi Arabia," it was to interject a little relevant-to-this-board sillyness about how crazy things have become in the world.Miburou said:
The fact that the Star of David is banned there is unfortunate but I guess understandable, just like it's unfortunate but understandable that the Star and the Crescent is banned in Israel and the in US.
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