Kojima discusses future projects (AAA & struggling smaller title)
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Badlucktroll
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bitbydeath
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kyliethicc
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big boss
less Rick Ross
more like a wavy Hideo
less Rick Ross
more like a wavy Hideo
kikii
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seems u havent finished P.T
rofif
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Still nothing to do with silent hill. A guy in foggy town can be any gameseems u havent finished P.T
kikii
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rofif
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so u havent finished it, prolly seen pics on the intenet ?
I did finished it.
As I've said - it's just a guy walking...
And the whole game part has nothing to do with silent hill.
If Silent hill is "guy walking in foggy town or guy with internal guilt"... then any game can be silent hill.
DarthPutin
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I don't get conspiracy theorists at this point... "smaller experimental project" sounds like he's only now starting to make it in earnest, which perfectly lines up with Microsoft "cloud only" episodic title, which was only in discussion\agreement phase. And does not line up at all with other SH speculations, where there is a possible Japanese game that's been in production for awhile.
Big AAA game could be Sony (or multiplat?) game. If it is indeed DS-2, then it's for PlayStation\PC. In any case, depressingly, it sounds like he's in the beginning of the process with both.
I also suspect that PT was lightning in the bottle of sorts. If he gets the chance to make big horror game, it will be very cool and weird for sure, but not at all subtle or psychological horror. We'll get Guilty Deathwishman and convoluted storylines spelled out for us yet still confusing.
Big AAA game could be Sony (or multiplat?) game. If it is indeed DS-2, then it's for PlayStation\PC. In any case, depressingly, it sounds like he's in the beginning of the process with both.
I also suspect that PT was lightning in the bottle of sorts. If he gets the chance to make big horror game, it will be very cool and weird for sure, but not at all subtle or psychological horror. We'll get Guilty Deathwishman and convoluted storylines spelled out for us yet still confusing.
bitbydeath
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Google debunked that rumour.
Google Denies Reports That It Passed On Proposals for Stadia Hideo Kojima Horror Game
Google denies reports that it was working with Hideo Kojima on a horror game amid a tumultuous time for its streaming service Stadia.
gamerant.com
TheGodfather07
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Maybe 2 games? One with Sony and the other is that long rumoured Microsoft cloud game. As long as one is silent hill, I'll be happy.
DarthPutin
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No, they just denied that the game was in production for them. Kojima making new title for XBOX is independent rumour from pretty dependent (heh) Grubb. Maybe it won't be totally cloud based, who knows, but this new info from horse's mouth fits that leak perfectly.
In any case, none of that lines up with your Hasan theories, because who starts ARG campaign promising to reveal new game... that sounds like is 2-3 years from release, and it's being very optimistic (KJ is only starting to work on it in earnest0.
In any case, none of that lines up with your Hasan theories, because who starts ARG campaign promising to reveal new game... that sounds like is 2-3 years from release, and it's being very optimistic (KJ is only starting to work on it in earnest0.
bitbydeath
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The rumour centred around it starting at Google and moving to Microsoft. Google denying it means there was nothing to pass to Microsoft.
kikii
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if it doesnt have anything to do with silent hill , why it says in ending cutscene "silent HillSSSSS "
rofif
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Why Prey 2017 is named Prey?if it doesnt have anything to do with silent hill , why it says in ending cutscene "silent HillSSSSS "
Silent Hill would just be a vessel for Kojima insanity horror game (PT).
You can make that game and name it whatever. It does not make it any more or less silent hill
AAA with Sony and the experimental smaller cloud project with Microsoft?
But a title that everyone wants to play seems to rule out both a horror game and a Death Stranding sequel (unless they heavily change the gameplay with a lot more action).
Also he still talks about "wanting to make" as if it's just a desire in his mind, I don't know if it's just the translation and he means that he's actually making it.
But a title that everyone wants to play seems to rule out both a horror game and a Death Stranding sequel (unless they heavily change the gameplay with a lot more action).
Also he still talks about "wanting to make" as if it's just a desire in his mind, I don't know if it's just the translation and he means that he's actually making it.
Kojima just might have a very weird view of what gamers want/like but yeah, generally agree with you though.
The MS rumour is still supposed to be that partnership and therefore product is still at a very early stages.
Arachnid
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You agree the setting is spot on. You agree that there's a psychological aspect to it. Silent Hill games are always a series of well crafted, scripted scares, like that entire demo. The entire demo was basically one big puzzle, so that'd likely be in the main game. I'm assuming the monster design would have been grotesque and fantastic with horror vets like Junji Ito and Guillermo del Toro onboard. Kojima loves symbolism and metaphors (though he can be a bit heavy handed tbh), so that'd be present. It didn't have combat (I'm assuming the main game would) and it was in first person, but I'm not seeing why the game wouldn't be an SH game.
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EverydayBeast
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I know for a fact death stranding 2 fits in with this generation
yurinka
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Google denied to have anything with Kojipro and said they didn't even got a pitch from them. That debunks the MS rumor because the it said MS got a Kojipro cloud focused game that got cancelled by Stadia.
I think it's more likely to see them making with Sony the AAA game and if they make it, the drama, film and anime. And if they do all these things with Sony, I don't see why they should go wth MS to make the smaller game, when they could also make it with Sony. Hermen Hulst said they are proud of games like Death Stranding, Astro or Dreams, and that they want to continue making small, creative, innovative different games and that won't make only big traditional blockbusters.
It would be awesome to get a proper translation from a native speaker to get the details and exact wording, details and meaning. Because it isn't the same to say 'he's working on' than 'he'd like to work on', and also to know if when he talks about drama and film he's talking about the anime or if he's talking about real action movies and tv series.
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Because Kojima also stated he believes that cloud and streaming will be really important in the future.
And Microsoft is pushing those things way harder than Sony.
So if he wants to make a smaller game for a streaming service Microsoft might be more interested while Sony would be naturally more inclined to support the traditional AAA game.
Also there were rumors by Grubb and co. that he was doing something with MS (although I don't know how credible they are given that the story changed different times, early last year it seemed deal done already, then it became "the deal has to be signed yet wait for E3", then wait for TGA).
So who knows, in any case it seems they will be a in position to announce something new this year.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Smaller project is the ARG for the AAA game. 
yurinka
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MS isn't pushing cloud harder than Sony, MS is implementing the same than Sony is doing even if it's true MS implemented faster some things Sony mentioned back in 2014 when they announced PS Now and their long term plans and that we know are coming due to patents and Sony documents for iinvestors (like releasing it on smartphones, tablets and smart tvs, to continue expanding their list of countries supported, to expand their catalog including PS5 games and review the business model).
Very soon, with the Spartacus release Sony will also include another 'base Gamepass'-like tier, so like a download only version of PS Now, without streaming. As happens when there's competition, they keep copying each other when makee sense while also keeping their own points. As an example, regarding catalog MS is putting their games on Gamepass day one, something Sony won't do because their main revenue source is selling software and particularly for their console. But to counter it, PS Now has a way bigger catalog of games. And with Spartacus merging PS Now and PS Plus and adding a 3rd GamePass-like tier, Sony and MS services will be more similar and Sony will have over two or three times the amount of subscribers Gamepass has. But in exchange we may stop knowing the amount of subscribers of their cloud streaming layer, something that MS never shown.
The rumor of the Kojipro game for MS was oficially and publicly debunked by Google, because the rumor said MS got that project after being cancelled by Stadia, and Google debunked it saying they never had anything from Kojiro, not even a pitch. Time after that rumor Kojima announced Death Stranding Director's Cut. And later Norman Reedus said they were negotiating his appearance in the sequel. And Hermen said they are proud of Death Stranding and their other more experimental and smaller games, and that want to continue making more. Kojima also said he's happy with DS and Sony.
MS and Sony never made cloud only games, but Sony has a bigger tradition publishing smaller and experimental weird games, publishing relationship with Kojima and can help Kojima beyond games, to make the anime and movies he wants to do. I mean, they greenlighted him a something that almost is a weird AAA post-apocalyptic postman walking simulator, which is a huge risk. A small game -with guaranteed sales because would be developed by Kojima and published by Sony- wouldn't be risky for them.
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I disagree. I think MS would be a much better fit than Sony for a cloud/streaming based game.
And MS would be much more interested in backing a game that pushes that kind of technology.
Their services cover more platforms and the infrastructure is much better because they have invested in it as their core business beyond just games, so much that even Sony plans to use it.
Sony is more interested in traditional AAA and VR, after Death Stranding they're not going to greenlight something experimental based on a technology they have not fully jumped on. At worst they'd ask him to do a PSVR2 killer app, not a cloud/streaming game.
Rumor has not been debunked either, different people stated they have heard the same and a particular detail being false does mean the whole thing is inaccurate, it's a wait and see.
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Kokoloko85
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I agree but maybe it had some lore connecting it with the older Silent Hill titles
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rofif
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Probably if they ever made it
Ezquimacore
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The Kojima cultists are entertaining not gonna lie.
yurinka
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I don't see why MS would be a better fit.
Hermen Hulst, the boss of Sony published games said it's false. He said they are happy with smaller and more experimental games and that will continue making them and did mention Death Stranding as one of the examples and Dreams as another. Kojima also mentioned to be happy with Sony and DS, and releasing DS Director's Cut proves both are happy working together. They seem to be working together in a sequel, and Kojima also wants to make anime and films, and Sony wants their different divisions working together closer with collaborations, so I think they'd like to see Kojima colaborating with cinema/tv/anime as they did with ND/Druckmann.
Sony is also preparing a big push and relaunch of PS Now merging it with PS Plus, expading way more their catalog also adding games from more (both newer and older) consoles, adding a download only tier and bring it it to mobile and smart tvs. So would make sense to continue adding from time to time some small games there at launch as they did and in this case they could announce a small Kojima game to get more attention for the relaunch.
Regarding cloud only games, Sony and MS never mentioned it because it doesn't make sense since now PS Now barely has 3M subs, a subset of them would use streaming and the other cloud gaming platforms including MS never mentioned how many subscribers has their cloud gaming platform, so super likely is very small too, too small to release a game exclusively there. Games are expensive to make and with such a tiny subscription userbase it wouldn't be profitable.
What Sony and MS could do some day without waiting many years until game streaming goes mainstream is to release a game for both download and streaming, but designed for streaming taking into consideration the strengths and constrains that streaming has. This means, choosing an art style that works well with video streaming artifacts and a slow -maybe even turn based or menu based- gameplay that doesn't require super fast and precise controls. I think that would be the case of a potential cloud focused (not cloud exclusive) small Kojima game.
The 'more platforms' they cover were the ones Sony already mentioned in 2014 they were going to cover in the long term, and that seems they will support very soon, very likely (looking at patents, documents for investors and the Spartacus rumor/leak) this year.
Sony has their own cloud gaming technology and their partnership with MS was to share their research in game streaming. PS Now uses its own (PS3 or PS4 based, and soon PS5 based too) hardware for servers so can't use MS servers because MS doesn't build PlayStation consoles. What could have agreed about using Azure is to rent datacenter space and maintenance to place Sony's servers instead of using other 3rd party datacenter company -which MS also uses- and to use Azure's software to remotely manage their servers (which is a different thing than game streaming and Azure here doesn't offer anything special compare to its competition, as happens with renting space on a datacenter to put your own servers). Pretty likely they did choose Azure because MS offered a better price than the one they had with Amazon AWS and as compensation for Sony sharing their game streaming R&D.
Yes, random people can made up stuff in the internet but Google publicly debunked it. And after it Kojima announced Director's Cut, released it and said they weren't able to do a lot of work during the pandemic.
Listen I won't be trying to convince you of my opinion.
Different companies have different goals and priorities.
Sony is betting on AAA and VR, Microsoft has bet the farm on GP, services and cloud.
Hopefully you won't be disappointed if Kojima announces something with MS because IMO it's likely he's doing something with both.
We'll see what happens.
yurinka
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I won't care who publishes it, I'll play it anyways.
I only say Google publicly debunked the original rumor and that looking at the facts I personally think it's more likely to see Kojima to continue working with the same partner he's already happy working with, that can also help him in other areas outside gaming and that is also open for small and exprimental games.
Yup